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Title: DEC Network Integration Server (DECNIS)
Notice:Please read note 1 to use this conference effectively
Moderator:MARVIN::WELCH
Created:Wed Sep 18 1991
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3660
Total number of notes:15082

3632.0. "trace HDLC -> LINECARD L2>LINECARD L2" by DAIVC::ROSDIYANTO () Mon May 12 1997 10:57

Hello, 

We have DECNIS600 with s/w version 3.1, loaded from OpenVMS/VAX 6.2,
and DECNET/OSI 6.2.

Last week we done trace HDLC Link, and the result is seem like OK (normal).
There shows the frame and data properly. 
But right now, we try with same command, but the result is different.
We doesn't change anything and not shutdown the machine.

There shows like below:

BAT03_SYSTEM> trace start nis04"system system"::"hdlc link w614-5-0"/full/live
%CTF-I-CONNECTING, connecting to trace collector...
	
-----------+----+-----+<--------Frames-------->+---------------------------
    Time   |Evnt|Data |Ad P Typ   N      N     |Data
hh mm ss cc|    |Size |   F      R/S    R/S    |
-----------+----+-----+<----------------------->+---------------------------
04:13:04.40|0020|    0|LINECARD L2>LINECARD L2 |Transmit data
04:13:04.47|0020|    0|LINECARD L2>LINECARD L2 |Transmit data
04:13:04.54|0020|    0|LINECARD L2>LINECARD L2 |Transmit data
04:13:04.59|0020|    0|LINECARD L2>LINECARD L2 |Transmit data
04:13:04.64|0020|    0|LINECARD L2>LINECARD L2 |Transmit data
04:13:07.37|0020|    0|LINECARD L2>LINECARD L2 |Transmit data
04:13:07.43|0020|    0|LINECARD L2>LINECARD L2 |Transmit data
04:13:07.43|0020|    0|LINECARD L2>LINECARD L2 |Transmit data
04:13:07.50|0020|    0|LINECARD L2>LINECARD L2 |Transmit data
04:13:07.57|0020|    0|LINECARD L2>LINECARD L2 |Transmit data
04:13:07.65|0020|    0|LINECARD L2>LINECARD L2 |Transmit data
04:13:07.71|0020|    0|LINECARD L2>LINECARD L2 |Transmit data
04:13:07.76|0020|    0|LINECARD L2>LINECARD L2 |Transmit data
04:13:07.83|0020|    0|LINECARD L2>LINECARD L2 |Transmit data
04:13:08.00|0020|    0|LINECARD L2>LINECARD L2 |Transmit data
04:13:08.07|0020|    0|LINECARD L2>LINECARD L2 |Transmit data
04:13:08.15|0020|    0|LINECARD L2>LINECARD L2 |Transmit data
      
Is there any knonw problem with this?
Thank you for your help.
    
Regards,
Rosdiyanto/ MCS Indonesia
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3632.1Only start-up frames are traced for HDLC on DECNISMARVIN::RIGBYNo such thing as an alpha betaTue May 13 1997 08:4615
Once the linecard is operating the L2 protocol the management processor can no
longer trace the HDLC headers as the linecard is responsisble for creating them.
When the HDLC state is not "LINECARD L2" then the management processor generates
the entire frame and, thus, can trace it in a way that the HDLC decoder can
display.

While the linecard is forwarding it is not possible to see the
linecard-to-linecard forwarded packets at all, the events you are seeing are the
management processor generated traffic (probably routing control traffic) which
could be seen in detail by tracing the routing circuit tracepoint.

You should not have been able to see data packets being traced by the management
processor last week, it should have only been HDLC control packets (XIDs, SABMe
etc.) If you could reproduce this situation I would be interested to see traces
and, preferably, a DECNIS dump - it would have to be a bug.
3632.2command line for reproduce the infoDAIVC::ROSDIYANTOWed May 14 1997 01:4011
Thank you for your reply.

BTW, in our situation this decnis is used for connection from head office to 
4 branc office that was currently running well. 
I will ask my customer to reproduce the decnis dump.
Could you please give me the command line to reproduce all of information that 
you need (NCLs and traces command) ?

Thank a lot for your cooperation.
Rgrds,
ros
3632.3trace data file and dump shoudl sufficeMARVIN::RIGBYNo such thing as an alpha betaWed May 14 1997 13:589
A trace file taken using CTF (trace start decnis"user pass"::"hdlc link NAME")
and the dump should suffice if the trace shows data being traced in the RUNNING
state. Make sure they don't just submit a dump with the LINECARD L2 behaviour -
this is expected.

I'd suggest just supplying a pointer to the dump to me by mail until we can show
that there is a problem worth raising an IMPT case for.

John
3632.4no longer this as an issueDAIVC::ROSDIYANTOThu May 15 1997 11:2316
Hello John,

    Regarding with the decnis trace problem, I ask my customer to reproduce 
    dump file.
But they said that the current situation the decnis was running well, and 
they don't really have a problem. About the trace that they saw last week, 
they agree these were HDLC control packets when a link was trying to 
initialize, ie when the HDLC protocol was not in normar on-running state.      

And therefore they no longer regard this as an issue.

Thank you for your time and cooperation.

Best regards,
rosdiyanto
         
3632.5mail attachment from customerDAIVC::ROSDIYANTOThu May 15 1997 11:3652
                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     16-May-1997 02:26am WIB
                                        From:     Chaitanya Mistry
                                                  chris@satelindo.co.id@PMDF@INTERNET
                                        Dept:      
                                        Tel No:    

TO:  'rosdiyanto@dai.mts.dec.com'         ( rosdiyanto@dai )

CC:  Zuherman                             ( /o=SATELINDO/ou=EXCHANGE/cn=Recipients/cn=S0335@satelindo.co.id@PMDF@INTERNET )
CC:  Iman Santosa                         ( /o=SATELINDO/ou=EXCHANGE/cn=Recipients/cn=S0608@satelindo.co.id@PMDF@INTERNET )

Subject: [I:] DECNIS and HDLC Tracing                                

	
	
Hello Rosdiyanto,

Thank you for following up our questions concerning the possibility of tracing HDLC data packets
and the information/responses from Engineering. Having carefully going through John's replies
it seems that in actual fact we don't really have a problem.

He states  that when tracing HDLC during normal operation, it is not possible to
get a trace of the data packets. What we saw last week were HDLC control packets when a
link was trying to initialize, ie when the HDLC protocol was not in the normal on-running state.

To confirm the above, we are seeing the same "LINECARD L2" type traces on our other 
working routing circuits to Palembang, Ujung Pandang, Elektrindo etc.

I believe therefore we no longer regard this as an issue.

Thank you for your time and cooperation.

Best regards,

Chris.



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