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Title: DEC Network Integration Server (DECNIS)
Notice:Please read note 1 to use this conference effectively
Moderator:MARVIN::WELCH
Created:Wed Sep 18 1991
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3660
Total number of notes:15082

3547.0. "Frame Relay limitations ?" by IB002::PLATAS () Tue Feb 18 1997 07:05

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3547.1Frame Relay. RFC1490 is on the wayMARVIN::MCCLURETony McClure, DECnis Engineering RE02 FD9 7830-3564Tue Feb 18 1997 09:3676
3547.232 PVCs is not enoughIB002::PLATASTue Feb 18 1997 13:0835
    Dear Tony,
    
    
    Fist of all thanks a lot for your quick answer.
    
    Regarding your comments:
    
    In my opinion I think only 32 PVC for a 2 Mbytes line is a very
    important limitation. Consider that 128-256 SVCs are supported under
    X.25 links which normally are not intended to work over more than 64 Kbps.
    At least in Spain, it is very common to contact Frame Realy PVCs of 16
    Kbps. 
    
    In our particular case, that is the project we are working in Spain, it
    should be enough to split the 80 remote connections between two serial
    lines (due to performance and also for redundancy). 
    
    But using the DECnis we need three lines and what it is worst, 
    we cannot setup a line as a backup for the other lines, because 
    every physical line only supports 32 PVCs.
    
    Therefore, if it is not planned to increase the number of PVCs
    supported by physical line, in our project we will have to replace 
    two DECnis, which are already installed, by CISCOs.
    
    Sincerely,
    
    
    Jose Luis Platas.
    
    pd.: By the way, according to your reply I guess that overhead of 1 means 
    the most efficient ?.
    
    
               
3547.3good luck - you'll need itMARVIN::RIGBYNo such thing as an alpha betaTue Feb 18 1997 14:0912
We are not going to increase the number of PVCs supported on each line to more
than 32 so for this network you will have to use some other router. Good luck
getting the network to be usable with that many PVCs on a link and even more
luck will be required to get the fail-over situation to be viable. It could even
be better to have no service at all for half the users than a completely
useless service for all the users.

I would strongly recommend using prioritisation and per-PVC flow control in this
sort of situation. You'll need to use the very latest cisco release as cisco
admit that fair-queueing over FR doesn't work in IOS V11.2

John
3547.4Have you considered RouteAbout?. mgb.rkg.dec.com::GILLOTTMark Gillott, 831-3172 (rkg)Wed Feb 19 1997 11:476
Had you  considered  RouteAbout  Central  as an alternative to DECNIS?.  Not
quite sure of your requirements, but since you seem to be using RA's for the
"back end router", why not look at RA Central for the "front end"?.

Mark
3547.5IB002::PLATASThu Feb 20 1997 06:4312