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Conference netcad::hub_mgnt

Title:DEChub/HUBwatch/PROBEwatch CONFERENCE
Notice:Firmware -2, Doc -3, Power -4, HW kits -5, firm load -6&7
Moderator:NETCAD::COLELLADT
Created:Wed Nov 13 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4455
Total number of notes:16761

3503.0. "Inbound IP slot requirements" by RTP4ME::GALLAGHER (Put me in coach!) Thu May 02 1996 13:35

    My customer is questioning why when setting up the inbound IP address
    on a DEChub 900 you have to specify a specific slot, and why you're
    force to use only that slot for IP communication to that hub.
    They are successful in setting up that communication through both
    a DECbridge 900EF (slot 8) and Portswitch 900FP (slot 6) but don't
    want to have to specify which module to communicate through.
    
    Any help would be greatly appreciated,
    Ed Gallagher
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3503.1you can have 3 ip serversNETCAD::MILLBRANDTanswer mamThu May 02 1996 14:2913
Hi Ed -

The customer can configure up to three seperate hub modules to
be IP servers in DH900 V4.0 and above.  Both his DECswitch and
PORTswitch can be servers, even another module if desired.
The limitation to 3 is based on memory constraints.  (If anyone
has customers who find this insufficient, let me know.) 

The slot number is needed by the MAM in order for the MAM to tell 
the IP server to accept traffic for that address and pass it
to the MAM.

	Dotsie
3503.2CSC32::B_GOODWINMCI Mission Critical Support TeamThu May 02 1996 14:305
Well, Unfortunatly, the MAM doesn't have a MAC address. So it needs a DEChub
module to proxy for it. To do this you need to use IP Services on one of the hub
modules. No way around it that I know of.

Brad
3503.3stupid is smart (grin)PTOJJD::DANZAKThu May 02 1996 15:4226
    A key feature of the DEChub 900 is that it is the *STUPIDEST* hub in
    the industry!  (honest!)  It doesn't know about Ethernet, FDDI,
    Token-Thing, etc.  The *INTELLIGENCE* is all on the modules.  This
    means that the backplane simply provides a passive interconnect.  (I
    realize that this is poetic technical license vis-a-vis the Token-Ring
    and Thinwire channels...but bear with me...)
    
    This is a great FEATURE in that the customer can buy a hub that is not
    bound by network technology - we can implement ATM, Fast Ethernet,
    Gigabit Ethernet, ect. and NOT have to upgrade the hub.
    
    So - since the hub manager does NOT know about network technology (per
    se) it utilizes a module to actually provide the physical network
    connect - keeping it TECHNOLOGOY INDEPENDENT to WHATEVER technology
    your customer decides to implement - Ethernet, FDDI, Token Thing etc.
    
    U c?
    
    I use it as a FEATURE to sell the flexibility of the interconnect to
    management.  Go ahead, mr and mrs customer - buy whatever LAN
    technolgoy that you want to and the hub manager will use it to talk out
    over - we don't restrict you at all.
    
    ttfn,
    j
    
3503.4A couple more questions...RTP4ME::GALLAGHERPut me in coach!Thu May 02 1996 15:5419
    Thanks for the quick response.
    It wasn't readily apparent that a multiple slot assignment was even
    possible, but it's great info to know...and we tried it...it works.
    
    But I have just a couple more questions/concerns:
    We assigned the second inbound IP address to slot 8, and showing the
    current settings indicates that the first and primary slot (slot 6)
    was active while the second slot (slot 8) was not configured.  Could
    you explain what we have to do to make slot 8 active as well?  Or
    is it dynamic relative to the current inbound connection? 
    Nonetheless, "not configured" doesn't sound like a "good" state for
    the second slot configuration...but, hey, waddoino?!?!?!
    Also, I'm assuming from your response in .1 that the memory entry in
    the MAM requires a different IP address for each relative slot.
    Therefore you have to use up to 3 IP addresses if you want to
    define up to 3 inbound IP connections, right?
    
    Thanks,
    Ed
3503.5IP services Duplicate Address error log messageNETCAD::MILLBRANDTanswer mamThu May 02 1996 20:1626
>    We assigned the second inbound IP address to slot 8, and showing the
>    current settings indicates that the first and primary slot (slot 6)
>    was active while the second slot (slot 8) was not configured.  Could
>    you explain what we have to do to make slot 8 active as well?  Or
 
The steps you performed for the second IP server should have been
sufficient to get the hub to configure it, and if successful, the
status would say "Active".  That it says Not Configured means the
hub was not successful in telling the module to serve the address.

Possible problems:

- Check the Error Log for a "Duplicate Address" message - it would
  indicate that the address you entered was already in use elsewhere
  in the module, or in use as another IP services address.

- Check the DEChub 900 MultiSwitch Hub Owner's module for a list
  of modules that support IP Services.  It also contains complete
  instructions for configuring IP Services, including pretty
  pictures.  

Don't be surprised if the Not Configured message turns to 
Not Active after you reset the module or the hub.  Not Configured
only shows up after you have just entered the info.

	Dotsie
3503.6do I really need the ":-)"NETCAD::DOODYMichael DoodyFri May 03 1996 16:5210
   >> A key feature of the DEChub 900 is that it is the *STUPIDEST* hub in
   >>  the industry!  (honest!)  It doesn't know about Ethernet, FDDI,
 
Those of us on the MAM team would like to think this is not the case.
We spend all our days trying to teach this old dog new tricks. 

For future reference, we would prefer the term "datalink challenged".

regards,
the mam team