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Title:DEChub/HUBwatch/PROBEwatch CONFERENCE
Notice:Firmware -2, Doc -3, Power -4, HW kits -5, firm load -6&7
Moderator:NETCAD::COLELLADT
Created:Wed Nov 13 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4455
Total number of notes:16761

2025.0. "Dual AC power system reliability" by CGOOA::CRICK () Fri Feb 17 1995 18:57

    I was discussing our dual AC power solution with a DEChub 900 customer
    and the customer told me that he thought our solution would introduce a
    single point of failure in the power system.  He would like to see the
    ability to have some of the power supplies supplied by one AC feed and
    the remaining power supplies supplied by the other AC feed (I think
    some of our competitors have this feature).  
    
    Can someone comment on the following:
    
    	1. What is the MTBF for our dual AC system ?
    	2. What are the advantages/disadvantages of our dual AC solution
    	   compared to what other vendors have ?
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2025.1Some answersNETCAD::SOHAThu Mar 09 1995 16:1030
    Product Manager is Deb Flint, DELNI::FLINT
    
    
    Some answers:
    
    MTBF - 	@ 25 degrees C, > 3 million hours
    	        @ 50 degrees C, > 1 million hours
    
    So, MTBF should not be a concern, remember people have been designing
    and making reliable relays for many many years, just for this
    application.
    
    As for your dual AC's into different P/S, I'm at a lost to understand
    the benefit of this approach.
    
    
    Assume two power supplies, P/S_1 and P/S_2, in a system.
      
    With the dual line cord box: if AC-1 fails, the relays will switch to 
    AC-2 quick enough to keep the failure transparent to the system 
    (ie, ride-though of the power system > switching time).  If AC-2
    fails, the system does not switch and keeps AC-1 as the source.
    
    
    With seperate AC lines: if AC-1 fails, then P/S_1 is out and the
    system capacity, in terms of power, is reduced by half.  
    
    Hope this helps,
    Mike S.
      
2025.2Two Power Cord Option Needed!DPDMAI::WISEEPobodys NerfectThu Mar 09 1995 18:3235
    re -.1
    
    	What happens if you have the DEChub900 plugged into a NoBreak
    power source and have N+1 for power supplies and the cable installer
    or cleaning peson hits the power cord and it falls out of the DEChub?
    
    Can't happen? Has happened to my customer on 4 occasions!
    
    1.	Cable installer pulling wire for the UTP patch field under the hub
    	Unplugged the rackmounted DEChub 900's ONLY power cord.
    
    2.	Rack mounted DEChub900 is in the Mechanical room and the rack is
    	bolted to the floor on the 12th floor. Elevator winch room next
    	door. The vibration caused toe ONLY AC power connection (mounted on
    	bottom of the hub with no cord lock of any type) to vibraate out
    	the socket.
    
    3.	Repeat Item # 2. This rack provides conectivity for and accounting
    	department. When did it do it?  3 PM on the last day of the
    	quarter! 
    
    4.	Hub that is in a reworked 7-11 store is located in small equipment
    	room. Two dulpex plugs are located side by side. the back one is the
    	Cofffee pot and space heater. the front one is from a NoBreak plug
    	to the DEChub900.	Nuf Said
    
    
    	Items 1, 2 and 3 were fixed by cable ties.	
    
    	Item 4 was fixed by a device locking the plug into the outlet.
    
    The need is there for TWO AC cords into the DEChub 900! If you want to
    truly stat that their is no Single point of failure it is a MUST!
    
    Efw
2025.3SLINK::HOODThis is my new personal name for NotesThu Mar 09 1995 18:421
There is a two-ac-cord-into-the-DEChub option.
2025.4Dual power cord switch = H7661NAC::FORRESTTue Mar 14 1995 13:594
    The Powerswitch option is H7661; it allows two power cords; if one
    cord or power source fails, it switches over to the other power 
    source quick enough to keep the hub running.