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Title:DEChub/HUBwatch/PROBEwatch CONFERENCE
Notice:Firmware -2, Doc -3, Power -4, HW kits -5, firm load -6&7
Moderator:NETCAD::COLELLADT
Created:Wed Nov 13 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4455
Total number of notes:16761

112.0. "Odd Show address results!" by MORO::MAUTZ_RI (Networks >= to DECnet) Mon Dec 28 1992 20:37

I have looked through notes files and STARS databases for information that
might explain the odd results I get from a DECbridge 90 SHOW ADDRESS
command and have not found anything helpful.  Can anyone explain the 
following:

1.  Using NCP I do a connnect node to a DEWGB.
2.  Once I get the DECbridge> prompt, I do a SHOW ADDRESS and a 
    SHOW REPEATER command.
3.  The information displayed from these two commands doesn't seem
    to correlate -

	For instance, the show address command show node addresses
	heard on hub 1 slot 6, hub 2 slot 6, hub 1 slot 7, and
	hub 2 slot 7 (various port on these hubs and slots);
	yet the show repeater command shows hub 1 has a twisted
	pair repeater in slot 6 & 7 and hub 2 has a twisted pair
	repeater in slot 6.  If you physically examine the two
	hubs connected by this DEWGB, hub 1 has slots 6 & 7 occupied
	by DETMRs and hub 2 has a DETMR in slot 6.  This is no
	device of any sort in hub 2 slot 7.

	Another peculiar things is that the same hub #, slot #,
	port # will show up at more than one address index, but with
	different ethernet addresses as though the same twisted 
	pair repeater port had multiple nodes on it - this is not the
	case!

I've tried waiting a while and capturing the same info, but I get similar
results (even after waiting several days).  I've even had cases where
a DECserver 90 address in one of the hubs shows up in ths show address
table as though it were on a repeater port, i.e.:

	Address 1: 08-00-2B-3A-12 hub 1 slot 6 port 4

	yet this particular address is a DECserver 90L in slot 2 of
	hub 1.

The customer does occasional configuraiton changes on the twisted pair
ports but I don't think this is the cause - I've tried correlating a
change they made with some of the results I've gotten.  I would like to
be able to use this hub information to assist with configuration manage-
ment, but the info is to "flakey" to be trusted!

Thanks in advance for any help anyone can give!  I have not gotten field
service to escallate a service call through the normal channels yet.  I am
not regarding this conference query as a problem resolution mechanism -
I want to make sure I'm not expecting to much before I start that process.

BTW - the DEWGBs in question are V1.14 FPROM V1.5 dated April 91

Richard
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112.1Try the current version of bridge codeEMDS::SEAVERLENAC Net Mgnt Mktg 223-4573Tue Dec 29 1992 01:259
    try loading the current version of the bridge code onto your bridge. 
    It is V3.0.  V1.14 is not guaranteed to manage anything!
    
As of 28 December 1992, the following files are on the public directory
EMDS::MANAGEMENT:   To copy a file from this directory, type:
	COPY EMDS::MANAGEMENT: file_name
where file_name is the name of the file you want to copy.

# BRIDGE_LOAD.TXT= How to load new micro-code on bridge
112.2I'll give it a try..MORO::MAUTZ_RINetworks >= to DECnetTue Dec 29 1992 14:004
    Thanks for the quick reply.  I'll get that done ASAP and post the
    result here!
    
    Richard
112.3Problem is still there!MORO::MAUTZ_RINetworks >= to DECnetThu Dec 31 1992 17:14126
112.4Same problem for PC addressesLEMAN::BRUNNERTue Jan 05 1993 10:3926
    Hi Gurus,
    What I posted a while ago:
       <<< NAC::DISK$WORK295:[NOTESLIBRARY_1]RBMS_LANBRIDGE100.NOTE;1 >>>
                       -< RBMS and LAN Bridge 100 Notes >-
================================================================================
Note 567.0          Addresses moving between ports on DECMR ?         No replies
LEMAN::BRUNNER                                       20 lines  21-AUG-1992 04:46
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    Customer reports a problem with DEWGB90's when trying to locate
    addresses on a DECMR90 port. Addresses seem to move once in
    a while to another port, no need to say that the PC or system hasn't
    moved in the meantime. If the PC is moved to another DEChub 90 its
    address moves in the 15 minutes (450*2 second aging out), this is
    correct. They are using "ccr" on an Ultrix station.
    Customer has about 1000 PC's connected with 12 VAXservers (3100's and
    4000's). Customer's tool available on SOLARX:: (node 48.522) as saveset.
    
    DECbridge 90 V1.14 firmware 1.4
    Tried  V2.5b, V2.9 and V3.0 on one DECbridge, same results.
    All DEWGB are at version 3.0 since Christmas and they all exhibit the
    same errors. Is this a known problem ?
    
    Compressed tar file available on SOLARX:: as  "itu.tar.Z"
    
    Thanks for looking at it. 
    Walter
112.5Logged a CLD!MORO::MAUTZ_RINetworks &gt;= to DECnetMon Mar 15 1993 22:378
    I mailed 112.* to engineering and they have been unable to make time
    to look into this problem.  Today I logged a CLD through the product
    support organization to see if something can't be done. 
    
    I'm curious to know if anyone using HubWatch (any flavor) has verified
    the accuracy the configuration information.
    
    Richard
112.6I think I know part of what went wrong herePRNSYS::LOMICKAJJeffrey A. LomickaTue Apr 06 1993 19:5956
112.7same problem...different site...GIDDAY::DRANSFIELDMike Dransfield, Sydney RSSGFri Apr 30 1993 13:508
    I have a customer who is reporting the same problem.
    Show repeater will report multiple devices in the same slot, or
    repeaters in empty slots.
    I think they logged a call today, so I guess there will be another CLD
    open on this soon as they are *real* unhappy about this.
    I am going there monday, so will try the bridge address ageing stuff...
    thanks,
    Mike
112.8Minor Update!MORO::MAUTZ_RINetworks &gt;= to DECnetFri Apr 30 1993 22:0314
    Jeff, I tried your .6 suggestion but the problem only seemed to be
    worse.  I then realized that with the infinite age out, none of the
    bogus entries would ever age out either (I guess).  I have now
    gone through the following process:
    
    	1.  Set age to 2 seconds - wait a few seconds
    	2.  SET and DEFINE age to 43200 (21600*2).
    
    I'll have a look at this in a few days - end of next week as I'll
    be out of town the first three days of the week!
    
    Regards,
    
    Richard
112.9We also see strange address reportsBSS::AMBERMark Amber, CXO3 LAN Mgr. (DTN)592-4645Fri Apr 30 1993 22:0730
I have a similar situation, but the previous explaination does not fit this
senario.  With a 16-slot hub, and one DEWGF (v3.1) in slot 8.  Whenever we
do a SHOW ADDRESS, and then wait a bit and do it again, the report appears
to show addresses moving from one hub to the other.  What we see is that
the slot and port numbers are unchanged, but they flip back and forth between
hub1 and hub2.  The nodes themselves are not moving, just the way the bridge
reports it.  Check out the following SHOW ADDRESS outputs, both given within
a few seconds of each other (only the first 5 addresses are included, but
the symptom appears throughout the list.  Note that not every address does it.

DECbridge> SHOW ADDR
Address  1: AA-00-04-00-AC-72 hub 1 slot 5 port 5	!ADDRESS 1 IN HUB 1
Address  2: AA-00-04-00-BB-72 hub 1 slot 1 port 1	!ADDRESS 2 IN HUB 1
Address  3: AA-00-04-00-60-F8 hub 2 slot 2 port 2
Address  4: AA-00-04-00-48-F8 hub 2 slot 6 port 1
Address  5: AA-00-04-00-4C-F8 hub 2 slot 7 port 6	!ADDRESS 5 IN HUB2
Address  6: AA-00-04-00-59-F8 hub 1 slot 1 port 1
.
.
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DECbridge> SHOW ADDR
Address  1: AA-00-04-00-AC-72 hub 2 slot 5 port 5	!ADDRESS 1 IN HUB 2 !!!
Address  2: AA-00-04-00-BB-72 hub 2 slot 1 port 1	!ADDRESS 2 IN HUB 2 !!!
Address  3: AA-00-04-00-60-F8 hub 2 slot 2 port 2
Address  4: AA-00-04-00-48-F8 hub 2 slot 6 port 1
Address  5: AA-00-04-00-4C-F8 hub 1 slot 7 port 6	!ADDRESS 5 IN HUB 1 !!!
Address  6: AA-00-04-00-59-F8 hub 2 slot 1 port 1
.
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112.10more of the same..GIDDAY::DRANSFIELDMike Dransfield, Sydney RSSGMon May 03 1993 06:217
    re: .9
    The site I was at has a 16 slot hub.
    I am going there tomorrow and will some more details, but I think it
    was similar to what you were seeing.
    I have opened a CLD on this today....
    thanks,
    Mike
112.11hubwatch currently considered useless!!GIDDAY::DRANSFIELDMike Dransfield, Sydney RSSGTue May 04 1993 07:0411
    re: .10
    I went to site and hubwatch is considered useless unless the address
    information on the repeaters is correct.
    They also would like the ability to restrict a repeater port to every
    using one address so that they can stop people from randomly moving
    their pc's around to different ports (as all the other vendors hubs do
    was added as a comment...eg cabletron etc)
    
    With 2 CLD's open is there any progress being made on this problem?
    thanks,
    Mike
112.12Not in DEChub 90 modulesCGOS01::DMARLOWEdsk dsk dsk (tsk tsk tsk)Tue May 04 1993 16:425
    You won't be able to lock addresses to keep people from moving with
    the 90T and 90C repeaters.  You will have to wait for the 900 modules.
    Maybe the 8 port min modules will have that feature.  I don't know.
    
    dave
112.13Engineering is Working on This!MORO::MAUTZ_RINetworks &gt;= to DECnetThu May 06 1993 01:437
    According to the latest status on my CLD (# CXO09906), engineering is
    "actively working this issues".  They expect to have resolution by the
    end of May!
    
    Regards,
    
    Richard
112.14Age Timer Didn't Help!MORO::MAUTZ_RINetworks &gt;= to DECnetFri May 07 1993 16:1817
    Adjusting the bridge age timer doesn't seem to help a lot.  I still
    see multiple addresses showing up on the same hub/slot/port of the
    90Ts.  As an example, one of the ones I just looked at was
    
    	Address 1:  AA-00-04-00-07-08	Hub 2  Slot 7 Port 1
    	.
    	.
    	.
    	Address 34: 08-00-2B-26-4D-64	Hub 2  Slot 7 Port 1
    
    Address 1 is a node a DECnet address 2.7 and its Ethernet hardware
    address is 08-00-2B-30-90-E1.  I also know that the customer has
    not moved this node (hub/port/slot wise) in a long time.
    
    Regards,
    
    Richard
112.15address securtiy comingEMDS::SEAVERBill Seaver, HUBwatch MktgThu Jun 03 1993 01:426
    I have asked the engineer about the status of the fix.
    
    re: address security (notes .11, .12)  It will be in the 32 port DEChub
    900 repeater and will eventually (December) be in an 8 port UTP
    repeater that will fit into the DEChub 90.  Both repeaters will have
    their own SNMP agent and will not need a DECagent 90 or a DECbridge 90.
112.16The Check Is In The Mail!MORO::MAUTZ_RINetworks &gt;= to DECnetMon Jul 26 1993 18:469
    Just for everyones info., engineer says they are still working on
    resolving this problem.  Currently, I have no status as to what is
    really happening!  The CLD is still open, the product support manager
    in our area periodically asked engineer for an update, engineer says
    they are still working on it!
    
    Regards,
    
    Richard