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Title:DEChub/HUBwatch/PROBEwatch CONFERENCE
Notice:Firmware -2, Doc -3, Power -4, HW kits -5, firm load -6&7
Moderator:NETCAD::COLELLADT
Created:Wed Nov 13 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4455
Total number of notes:16761

1233.0. "DETMM's in DEChub 900" by CSC32::M_VASKE () Tue Jul 19 1994 07:05

    
     I have a request from a customer that I do not have an answer to, so
    I am going to post his problem statement here in hope someone has some
    feedback to where the problem resides. Thanks in advance to for your
    time.
    
    
      Mark EICS/NETS
    
    We have four DEChub900s.  All were received with V2.X firmware.  We
    have received four DECBridge900MXs, one with V1.2.1 firmware installed and
    the other three w/ V1.1.2.  WE have 17 DETMMs, all received with V1.0G
    firmware.  Five came with V1 hardware.  The other 12 with V2 hardware.
    I have upgraded three 10/100 bridges and two of the backplanes to the
    latest versions of firmware.
    On the hub with four V1 hardware DETMMs I am unable to successfully
    create and attach the bridge and the DETMMs to created LANs (not the default
    "thinwire"). I cannot make the bridge the management module nor can I 
    consistently connect DETMMs or a bridge to created LANs.  I can move
    the Module to any of the DETMMs but I then cannot remove that module
    from the "thinwire" channel. There are other combinations of the above
     which are not successful.
    On the Hub with two V2 hardware DETMMs no such problem.  Everything
    works exactly as I would expect.
    I have installed the V3.0.0 hub firmware twice with no difference.
    I have flip-flopped two bridges between the two backplanes with no
    difference.
    
    
     Do the DETMM's need to be upgraded to the v2.0 hardware revision.
    
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1233.1More info please...NACAD2::PAGLIARORich Pagliaro, Hub Products GroupTue Jul 19 1994 13:1517
>>  On the hub with four V1 hardware DETMMs I am unable to successfully
>>  create and attach the bridge and the DETMMs to created LANs.

    Please describe how your configuration attempts failed in greater
    detail. In what order did you create LANs on the backplane, connect
    repeaters to the backplane LANs, connect the bridge to the backplane
    LANs?  What was the failure mode? Did the HUBwatch LAN Interconnect
    view "rubber-band"? Did any of the modules crash?

>>  I can move the Module to any of the DETMMs but I then cannot remove that 
>>  module from the "thinwire" channel. 

    I'm not sure I understand what you mean here. Does "move the Module to
    any of the DETMMs" mean making a given DETMM the IP server for the hub.
    Are you  saying that you can't remove a DETMM designated as the IP
    server from the backplane thinwire?

1233.2sequence of eventsCSC32::M_VASKEWed Jul 20 1994 08:5339
    
    
     Thanks for your response. This is the sequence they created their
    LANs.
    
    
    | 1.  We reset the HUB and modules to factory defaults.
    | 2.  We used to the LAN interconnect menu to verify that we had four
    |     DETMMs all connected the ThinEthernet.
    | 3.  We used the config option to put the six Ethernets out the
    backplane.
    |     We also connected the A FDDI to the front and the B FDDI to the
    back.
    |     This worked great.
    | 4.  We created 4 LANs named Ether2, Ether3, Ether4 and Ether5 in the
    FDDI
    |     <mumble> menu and connected the first four Ethernet ports on the
    |     DECbridge900MX to these Ethers, port2 to Ether3, port3 to Ether3,
    etc.
    |     This worked great.
    | 5.  We when the LAN interconnect menu and we tried to attach DETMM4
    to
    |     Ether5.  We disconnected it from the ThinEthernet and then we
    |     attached it to the Ether5.  This worked OK.  We then tried the
    |     same with DETMM3 and Ether4 or DETMM1 and Ether2.  When we would
    |     try to remove the DETMM from the Thinnet, it would hang.  The
    |     terminal that we started HUBwatch from would log timeout and
    retry
    |     or some such language.  HUBwatch would not work after this.
                                                                          
    
    
     The error received was a timeout and yes, it did "rubber-band". It
    sounds like it may be a hardware revision issue with the DETMM's. Only
    the V1.0 modules give us this symptom. Any issue with this version?
    
    Thanks.
    
     Mark
1233.3IP Services Module Reachable?LEVERS::DRAGONWed Jul 20 1994 12:0217
    
    Mark,
    
    	You may have blown away your connectivity to your IP Services
        Module from your NMS (HUBwatch workstation). For example, if
        your NMS is attached to a DETMR on the Thinwire, and your IP 
        Services module is a DETMM connected to the Thinwire, and you 
        disconnect the DETMM from the Thinwire, you have lost the ability
        for your NMS to reach the MAM in-band via IP Services (assuming
        no bridging is taking place). This might explain the retries seen 
        by HUBwatch. A fairly easy way to determine if this is the case is 
        to connect your NMS directly to your IP Services module (if possible) 
        and retry the scenario which you described. This way you'll be assured 
        of connectivity between your NMS and IP Services.
    
    Regards,
    Bob