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Conference netcad::hub_mgnt

Title:DEChub/HUBwatch/PROBEwatch CONFERENCE
Notice:Firmware -2, Doc -3, Power -4, HW kits -5, firm load -6&7
Moderator:NETCAD::COLELLADT
Created:Wed Nov 13 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4455
Total number of notes:16761

3487.0. "DECagent90 less modules supported" by BARNA::DSMAIL () Wed Apr 24 1996 09:30

    
    
    Hi,
    
    I'm a little bit confused with the number of modules a single
    DECagent90 can manage.
    
    The DEChub900 Multiswitch Management Fundamentals Course Guide
    of September 1994, says in the page 7-3 that a DECagent can manage up
    to 16 communities with no more than 64 modules.No firmware version is
    mentioned.
    
    In the DECagent90 Installation and Configuration Guide of May 1995
    the modules are limited to 48.
    
    In the DENMA301.TXT release notes included on the NDU firmware kit
    it is also mentioned that since version 3.0 of the DECagent the number
    of modules are limited to 48.Version 2.1 allows up to 64.
    
    Questions:
    
    Why this limitation on newer versions?
    
    Will new versions, if so,  support more modules?
    
    If I get 2.1 version and I would downgrade the DECagent which features
    will I lose?
    
    Since when new versions on Digital products restricts old features?
    
    Dissapointed.
    
    Jordi Manchon
    Network Services
    Barcelona -SPAIN-
    
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3487.1Limited resources leads to compromisesNETCAD::WALTERFri Apr 26 1996 14:3940
    Jordi,
    
    I led the software effort that upgraded the DECagent 90 to Version 3.0.
    I can't blame you for being disappointed in losing features. I don't
    like to throw out functionality and reduce the number of modules that
    can be managed, but the resources on the DECagent are very limited. It
    is fixed with 512K of RAM, 256K of Flash, and 32K of non-volatile memory.
    
    The purpose of the upgrade was to support the new MultiStack system,
    and in particular to manage the new DECrepeater 90T-16. This software
    had to be added on top of the existing code for managing in a DEChub
    90, DEChub 900, and Standalone. And we had to continue managing the
    existing products.
    
    The Version 2.1 code used all but 16K of Flash. Into that 16K we would
    have to place all the new functionality. Of course, it didn't all fit,
    so we had to eliminate features that we felt were not absolutely
    necessary. For example, with TFTP becoming an industry standard for
    downline load of software, we decided it would be relatively safe to
    remove the MOP downline load feature. It was a judgement call. By the
    way, the final V3.0.1 image has just 195 bytes left in Flash! During
    the development we had to go through several code reduction exercises.
    There is NO spare room in that Flash.
    
    Regarding the number of modules that can be managed, we are constrained
    by two elements: the space in RAM to maintain cached status data, and
    the space in non-volatile memory to save management sets through
    resets. The DECrepeater 90T-16 significantly increased the amount of
    status and management data per module, leaving us no choice but to
    reduce the number of modules that could be managed. 
    
    My recommendation is the following: If you are using a DECagent 90 to
    manage many remote communities through DECbridge 90s, or many
    DECservers, use the V2.1 code. If your DECagent will be managing a
    MultiStack or any DECrepeater 90T-16's in the local hub, use the V3.0
    code. It is unfortunate that the agent can't do both jobs equally well
    with one firmware image, but the fact is the agent is really being
    called on to do far more than it was every designed to do!
    
    Dave Walter
3487.2Upgrade=ProblemsBARNA::DSMAILFri Apr 26 1996 16:2221
    
    
    Thanks for your answer.
    
    BUT this situation is extremely dangerous , I agree that releases notes
    prevent everybody about restrictions, but you know that customer
    usually don't read them and some of us neither.
    Or other situation is when an agent should be swapped, the new one
    comes from stockroom with latest firmware on it (the most of the
    times).
    
    What to do?
    
    First I claim for firmware 2.1 on the net, just in case of a situation
    as above.
    Then, include in the HUBloader software utility a WARNING before
    proceding with a DECagent90 upgrade.
    
    My customers will appreciate this, and also my health.
    
    Jordi Manchon
3487.3OK, thanksBARNA::DSMAILThu May 09 1996 15:0118
    
    From:   NETCAD::WALTER "08-May-1996 1702 -0400"
    To:     IB004::MANCHON
    CC:     NAC::FORREST,WALTER
    Subj:   RE: DECagent90 rev 2.1 on the net?
    
    Jordi,
    
    Currently, only Rev. 3.0.1 is publically available on ftp.digital.com.
    I believe we can get Rev. 2.1 placed in an "old_firmware" directory,
    but it won't happen immediately. In the meantime, you can copy Rev. 2.1
    from the following VMS system:
    
            NETCAD::PROJ$722:[ONEHUB.RELEASE.DENMA.V2_1]DENMA021.SYS
    
    
    Regards,
    Dave
3487.4Number of communities?LEMAN::PAIVAHawkeye - Network Support @GEOFri May 17 1996 07:418
    Hi!
    
      What about the number of communities managed by a DECagent 90 with
    V3.0.1 firmware? Still 16 or changed down to some other value?
    
      Thanks.
    
      Pedro
3487.5NPSS::WADENetwork Systems SupportFri May 17 1996 13:3312
    Still 16 communities.
    
    From the release notes in -
                         
    	NETCAD::PROJ$722:[ONEHUB.RELEASE.DENMA.V3_0_1]DENMA301.PS (TXT)
                         
    		" V3.0 of DECagent 90 firmware is limited to managing up to 
    		  48 modules in up to 16 communities."
    
    
    Bill