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Title:DEChub/HUBwatch/PROBEwatch CONFERENCE
Notice:Firmware -2, Doc -3, Power -4, HW kits -5, firm load -6&7
Moderator:NETCAD::COLELLADT
Created:Wed Nov 13 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4455
Total number of notes:16761

3348.0. "DECserver 90TL in DEChub 900" by WARS::WIECZORKOWSK (Krzysztof WIECZORKOWSKI @RPW) Mon Mar 11 1996 13:42


	Hi,

	I have read notes 1615,2448,3079 and coresponding with them
	not finding answers to the following questions:

		1) Why can not DECserver 90TL be managed in DEChub 900
		   as a module of the hub? 

	DECserver 90TL is an old version with 1MB memory. HUB Firmware 
	is a ver. 4.1.1. Polling in HUBwatch is swiched off for the module.
	
	What schould be done more in HUBwatch or in DECserver 90TL to be 
	manageble in the DEChub 900?

	Any hints?
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3348.1TL's *can* be managed in the hub.SLINK::HOODYour bad news bearMon Mar 11 1996 15:4824
To manage a DECserver 90TL (1Meg) in a 900 hub, do the following:

Connect a terminal to the 90TL, and:
(1) Assign an IP address to the 90TL
(2) Enable SNMP state on the 90TL.
(3) Enable community PUBLIC to SNMP SET and GETNEXT on the 90TL
(4) Re-start the 90TL (Local> INIT DELAY 0).

Run HUBwatch, and:
(5) "Community->Manage Table" window: Add an entry to the agents file
    for the 90TL.  Include the MAC, IP, and community.
(6) "Configure->Add Module" window: Add the 90TL to the hub, with slot
    polling disabled.
(7) You might need to exit and re-start HUBwatch after this.

Now, you've got a 900 hub with a DECserver 90TL which is manageable.

If you've got a DECserver running Network Access Software, you only need
to do steps 1-4.

(This info is also in the HUBwatch Installation & Configuration manual.)

Tom Hood
former TL guy.
3348.2TLs againSAWA::JEDRYCHFri Mar 15 1996 20:0623
	Tom,

	Thank you for your procedure. Everything is correct up to point 5,
	but point 6 is not accepted by DEChub 900 because ADD Module in HUB 900
	is illegal operation.
	
	I need refresh DEChub to see TL but not manageble. Next steps are:

	- Configure->Delete Module
	- Configure->Add Module
	- set IP,MAC and Community
	
	After that I really have manageble TL module. Exiting and restarting 
	HUBwatch I get not manageble again. In View->Massage Box I read 
	
	NO AGENT FOUND IN SLOT=6, NO MAC ADDRESS

	and I have the same situation again.
	
	Have you any idea?

	Krzysztof
3348.3Which version & platform of HUBwatchSLINK::HOODYour bad news bearMon Mar 18 1996 04:156
    Just to make sure, you did add the module to the Agents File with
    its MAC address, right (Community->Manage Table).
    
    What version & platform of HUBwatch are you using?
    
    Tom
3348.490TL/Hub900 so many Entrys, but no Solution..!ZUR01::ACKERMANNThu May 09 1996 15:4536
    
    Hello all and specially Tom,
    
    There are so many Entrys about the Mgnt of the 90TL in the Hub900:
    the Entrys: 171/209/293/331/1310/2540/3079/3348
    
    Most of them have the Problem, that it is  n o t possible to klick
    the 90TL in the Hub900. The Message is always:"No Agent Specified...."
    
    But: the Module is  o n l y  managable via the Community Table in the
    Hub900!
    
    It is exactly as Notes 3348.2 says: After Add in the Agent File, and
    Configure->Add Module, it works as long, untill i do a Exit and Restart
    of Hubwatch again, now you can n o t manage it any more out of the Hub.
    (via Community Table is always ok)
    
    So please, is there anybody out, who can  c o n f i r m  that these
    really works? (should, or Could, or really does......?
    
    Situation: (I really set it up exactly as Tom said in Note 3348.1)
    ----------
    
            Customer Situation reproduced in our Test HUB:
    
            -Hubwatch 4.1.2
            -DEChub900 MAM 4.1.1
            -Slot 3 90TL V1.1A BL45-11
    
    I really hope, that somebody can Help about these, to clarify the
    Situation.
    
    Thanks a lot,
    
    Daniel MCS Switzerland
                                   
3348.5This really works.SLINK::HOODYour bad news bearThu May 09 1996 16:278
It really works.

(1) Configure-> Add Module

(2) Community->Manage Table
	Fill in the MAC, IP, Community entries.  (Community must be PUBLIC)

Tom
3348.6it s magic,90TL works now, but 90M not..ZUR01::ACKERMANNFri May 10 1996 15:2341
    
    			<some time its magic...>
    
            Hello Tom,
    
            Thanks for Your fast Response. Now the DS90TL works.
            My Customer will be happy.
     
            But the Problem was not a missing Entry in any Table,
            (as i told You, the Module was always managable as
            a standalone Module out of the Community Table),
            I really did the 2-Step approach bevore i made
            these Entry. Configure-> Add Module and the Entry in
            the Community Table.
     
    
            But now i had to do the magic approach:
    
            "Reset the MAM with Current Settings !
    
            But now, the Story is not at the End, it goes on:
    
    
         !-> I tried now the DS90M with NAS 1.5 BL95-32 loaded,
             but these Module is really (i mean really!) only
             standalone managable. No Click out of the Hub display!
             I tried also with add Module, but these should really
             not be necessary, a DECserver with NAS SW loaded is
             autodiscovered by the Hub900. No magic approach helps,
             its just not possible to manage.. (Click in the Hub)
    
             For the same Problem i made long Time ago the Entry 2940.0
             in these Conference, but there was just "silence in the
    	     Forest" out there...  (as we call it here)
    
             May any Comment to these?
    
             Thanks,
     
    	     Daniel MCS Switzerland
                                   
3348.7My own Solution for 90TL/90M/900TM Managemnet!ZUR01::ACKERMANNWed May 15 1996 14:57124
    
    
            <Thanks for all the Comments to these Problems and all
            the Answers i dident get ....>
            I am sure, that everybody who wants to manage a 90M/90TL
            runs in to the same Problems, because all the Entrys
    	    171/209/293/331/1310/2540/3079/3348 and all the no-made Entrys..!
    
    
            Strange behaviour for 90TL/90M in Hub900
            ----------------------------------------
    
            I tested now seriously the Problematic:
    
            Situation: DS90TL V1.1A BL45-11
            ----------
    
            -When first inserted a DS90TL in to a DEChub900, then
             to a "delete Module" in that Slot and a "add Module" from one
    	     of the Mgnt PCs.  (polling disable)
             These creates an Entry on the MAM Module for the 90TL.
             (i tested it, these has to be done only one Time, from one
             PC, after these Entry on the MAM, it will discovered by any
             other PC!
            -Second create the Entry in the Community Table for the 90TL,
	     Community Public.     
             -Now you can click the Module out of the Hub Display, and it
             is manageable fine.
    
            -Now there are several Conditions, how to get the following
             Error: "No Agent specified for Slot Mac Address"
    
             1) after the Configuration above, it is managable fine.
             Now, go in to Community Table do a "make Current" of the
             DS90TL and you get the standalone Module, MGNT works ok.
             But when you change back the Community to the whole Hub,
             click the DS90TL Module, you will get the above Error.....
    
             2)after the configuration like above it is managable fine.
             Exit now Hubwatch, start up Hubwatch again, try now to
             click the DS90TL out of the Hub, now you will get the
             above Error....
    
             3)If you change now the Community to some other then Public,
             you will get the above Error...
    
            Solution
            --------
            -after the configuration like above it is managable fine.
    
            -Now there are two Steps to do, that it works also for
             the 3 Conditions i described above.
    
            First:  -Reset of the MAM with current Settings
            Second: -Reboot your Managemennt PC
    
            Now it works! now you can start and shutdown Hubwatch or
            whatever it works as long, as you dont change anything on
            the Config.
            Just for Clarification: Only reboot of the PC does not work!
                                    Only Reboot of Hubwatch does not work!
                                    Only Reset of the MAM without reboot
                                    of the PC does not work!
    
             Really: if you dont do these two Steps in the right Order,
                    you get always the above error during the Configuration.
    
    
            Just some words for the 90M (only Community Public works in Hub)
            ---------------------------
    
            -If you put it in as a new Module in to the Hub, it will
             be autodiscovered and displayed as 90M.
            -Entry in Community Table, Community Public, these works.
             Sometimes, its really not clear why, you get also the same
             Error as above...
            -In these Case, you have to do the 2 Steps:
            First:  -Reset of the MAM with current Settings
            Second: -Reboot your Managemennt PC
    
            Note:
            -----
            -It works o n l y with Community Public out of the Hub.
            -you can use another Community then Public  o n l y as
             standalone Module.
            -I was not able to get it working with another Community
             then Public. I tried all the Steps above, but no Chance.
             These must be a bug, and as soon as i get again a Customer
             Call about these Problem, i will open up a IPMT and than
             these Problem m u s t be fixed.
    
            Some Words to the DECSErver 900TM: (always NAS SW loaded)
            ----------------------------------
    
            -These Module will be autodisovered by the MAM Module.
            -It is managable w i t h o u t any Entry in the
             Community Table. And these works also with another Community
             than Public!
            -Just the Module needs the Ip Address on it and SNMP hase to
             be enabled, plus SNMP set enabled, thats all.
             (the Dokumentation and a Stars Entry says, that it has to
             be configured in the Community Table, but these is just
             not neccessary!
            -another Bug?.....or may a very usefull unknown feature?
    
            ***********************************************************
            These is now the Result of my serious testing of the whole
            DECserver 90TL/90M/900TM Stuff. I hope that these Entry
            help some persons out in the Field, that always have the
            same Problems with managing DECservers out in the Field.
            ********************************************************
    
            I hope that someone from Engineering gives some Comments
            to these, but please not just any Advices, may
            someone t r i e s and sees all the Problems they can
            happen, but are nowhere documented. (it needs not so much
            Time to reproduce ist) more to get out of it....
    
            Thanks and Regards,
    
            Daniel MCS Switzerland