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Conference netcad::hub_mgnt

Title:DEChub/HUBwatch/PROBEwatch CONFERENCE
Notice:Firmware -2, Doc -3, Power -4, HW kits -5, firm load -6&7
Moderator:NETCAD::COLELLADT
Created:Wed Nov 13 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4455
Total number of notes:16761

2697.0. "4 FDDI rings over backplane ?" by BERN02::DEY (Walter Dey, MCS NS, Berne Switzerland) Thu Aug 31 1995 13:16

    Is this a legal configuration ? I'm a little bit confused about what it
    means:
    Support of 4 indep. FDDI rings over the backplane ?

	Cheers

		Walter.



				Front Panel Ports

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  +-+----+-+      +-+-----++      ++-----++      ++-----+-+    +-+------+
         |          |     |        |     |        |     |        | 
         +----------+     +--------+     +--------+     +--------+	
         S          M     S        M     S        M     S        M

    
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2697.1Tree of PEswitches connected to external ring....NETCAD::BATTERSBYThu Aug 31 1995 13:294
    It looks like a tree of PEswitch 900TX's connected to an external
    ring via a DECswitch 900EF.
    
    Bob
2697.2Yes, but is it supported ?BERN02::DEYWalter Dey, MCS NS, Berne SwitzerlandThu Aug 31 1995 13:502
    Yes; but is this a supported configuration; I have 4 point to point
    connection over the backplane.
2697.3You have only 1 ring here!NETCAD::IANNARONEThu Aug 31 1995 14:2713
Walter,
	Your picture shows only 1 ring.  Since your 5 modules are connected
together over the backplane, they are 5 stations on a single ring.  This
configuration is valid and should be supported if you have the most recent
firmware release.  You CAN form 4 independent rings on the backplane since there
are 8 slots in the dechub 900 backplane; each of the 4 rings would require 2 of
the available slots, and the 2 modules in each of those slot pairs would be
connected to each other over the backplane.  In order to be independent rings,
however, the 4 pairs would NOT be connected to each other... 

	Hope this helps...

John	
2697.4Slight correction, it's a tree topology on the backplane..NETCAD::BATTERSBYThu Aug 31 1995 14:448
    Walter, as John said this is a supported configuration.
    If you take a peek at note #2340 (Karl Pieper's FDDI config rules),
    you will see that your config is similar to diagram #13 of the rules
    except that your's has 2 more PEswitch 900TX's. So what you have is
    a TREE topology on your backplane consisting of 4 PEswitches connected 
    to an external ring via a DECswitch 900EF. 
    
    Bob
2697.5BERN02::DEYWalter Dey, MCS NS, Berne SwitzerlandThu Aug 31 1995 14:5412
    Thanks for your answer John !
    
    I very much hoped that this is the case, but all the drawings I've seen
    only connected maximum 3 modules over the backplane FDDI.
    
    btw. this implies that a configuration with 7 PE and 1 FE connected over 
    the backbone FDDI is also possible, where the FE does the external link 
    to the backbone FDDI ?
    
    	Cheers
    
    		Walter.
2697.6Power limitation would not support this...NETCAD::BATTERSBYThu Aug 31 1995 15:129
    Well, this won't quite work. The limitation will be power available
    to the backplane. Each PEswitch requires 50.5 watts, and a DECswitch
    requires 67.5. with 3 power supplies there is 420 watts availiable.
    Now 15 watts goes to the MAM, so there is 405 watts left over.
    Seven Peswitches requires 353.5 watts, plus a DECswitch at 67.5 watts
    adds up to 421 watts. So you can only have 6 PEswitches and a DECswitch
    in your backplane.
    
    Bob
2697.7The infamous new power supply should fix that problemTHEPUB::JRSJohn SHADE - 'Attila the Nun'Wed Sep 06 1995 09:498
RE: .-1

The new H7894-MA power supply is rated for 163 watts of output power, so
a 7PE and 1 FE configuration should be possible. No?

3 * 163 = 489 > 421

-John
2697.8STRWRS::KOCH_PIt never hurts to ask...Wed Sep 06 1995 10:105
    
    Yes, it may be possible, but I believe work needs to be done for
    firmware support for power management. Other notes seem to indicate
    this support will be forthcoming, but I wouldn't sell any short term
    projects based on the availability of updated firmware...
2697.9See note #2436 for more on new power supply.....NETCAD::BATTERSBYWed Sep 06 1995 13:3011
    <------ RE: .7
    
    John, Ted is correct in his statement when he refers to other
    notes in here which discuss the new power supply. Topic #2436
    discusses the new features in the H7894-MA and the thread of
    replies discusses that there is some work under way to work on
    the changes needed to the MAM firmware to support a new power
    allocation algorythm. As usual, there will probably be no discussion
    in here of when this will be available in an updated release.
    
    Bob