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Conference netcad::hub_mgnt

Title:DEChub/HUBwatch/PROBEwatch CONFERENCE
Notice:Firmware -2, Doc -3, Power -4, HW kits -5, firm load -6&7
Moderator:NETCAD::COLELLADT
Created:Wed Nov 13 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4455
Total number of notes:16761

2378.0. "Thinwire to Twisted Pair Converter?" by MSDOA::LOVE (Do it with DNA) Tue Jun 13 1995 14:29

    Is there a way to convert my thinwire port to a twisted pair port on my
    PacketProbe?  I was doing some trouble shooting at a customer site and
    they used Cabletrons with twisted pair repeaters.  Of course all of
    these hubs were bridged to the backbone.  They had about 10 hubs and
    only two of them had thinwire repeaters, luckily these were the two
    segments that were having problems. (No the repeaters were not causing
    the problems, one was bad CRCs created by a terminal server and the
    other was a traffic problem caused by DECnet/LAT over a 56kb line.)
    
    Norm
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2378.1KAOFS::S_HYNDMANRide life's curvesTue Jun 13 1995 17:306
    
    
    	Why not use the one that is already there on the front of the
    module?
    
    Scott
2378.2You opened my eyes and I now seeMSDOA::LOVEDo it with DNAFri Jun 16 1995 13:417
        RTFM, I looked at the front panel and saw the RS422 port for out of
    band management and an AUI Ethernet connection.  I was flying light and
    had left my manual at home, which I would not have looked at anyway. 
    Thanks, for setting me straight, now all I need to do is figure out if
    I need a cross over or a straight through cable.
    
    Norm
2378.3KAOFS::S_HYNDMANRide life's curvesMon Jun 19 1995 13:556
    
    
    	Most repeaters including ours, have the crossover done in the
    repeater.  Therefore you would typically use a straight through cable.
    
    Scott
2378.4Total number of crossovers must be an odd multiple..NETCAD::BATTERSBYMon Jun 19 1995 14:0910
    >>Most repeaters including ours, have the crossover done in the
    >>repeater.  Therefore you would typically use a straight through cable.
         
    Nope! Both repeaters have internal crossovers, so the number of
    crossovers would be an even number. No link would be established.
    A crossover cable will provide the additonal crossover to make the
    total an odd number, and the link will be established between these
    two repeaters.
    
    Bob
2378.5Further clarification....NETCAD::BATTERSBYMon Jun 19 1995 14:1511
    <------------- Sorry for being misleading. I'm assuming that
    both ends of the cable in question are repeaters, thus the reason
    for stating that a crossover cable is needed to bring the total
    number of crossovers to an odd multiple. Basically, the rule is
    if you have a 10base-T device with an internal crossover connected
    to another device with an internal crossover, make sure the total
    number of crossovers is an odd multiple. If there is only on device
    at each of a 10Base-T link with an internal crossover, then a straight
    thru cable will be the right choice.
    
    Bob
2378.6X marks the cross-over spot...MSDOA::REEDJohn Reed @CBO = Network ServicesMon Jun 19 1995 15:255
    The front port of a packetprobe does NOT have an "X" on it.  This means
    (by convention) that it doesn't internally cross-over.  You are safe
    then, attaching it using a straight-through cable (BN25G) to a repeater 
    with an "X" marked on the front panel port (such as DETMM).
    
2378.7It's not a cross-overMSDOA::LOVEDo it with DNAMon Jun 19 1995 19:276
    That is what the X means!  I happened to have a spare cross-over cable
    and it did not work.  I borrowed the straight through I am using on my
    Alpha and it worked.  So I am going ahead and order a couple of
    straight throughs, so that I will have one of each as spares.
    
    Norm