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Conference netcad::hub_mgnt

Title:DEChub/HUBwatch/PROBEwatch CONFERENCE
Notice:Firmware -2, Doc -3, Power -4, HW kits -5, firm load -6&7
Moderator:NETCAD::COLELLADT
Created:Wed Nov 13 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4455
Total number of notes:16761

2164.0. "DENMA V3.0 & DETMI interoperability question." by NMOSPD::SYSTEM () Tue Apr 04 1995 12:17

	Hi,
	
	can I have some information about DECAgent_90 Firmware V3.x and
DECRepeater_90TS interoperability?

	What I mean is:

	- Will be possible to see a DECRepeater_90TS in a remote DECHub_90
	  without DECBridge_90 installed in it for HUB Management?
	  Because until DECAgent_90 V2.1.3, and like note # 2157.1 says,
	  the DECAgent_90 does not manage the DETMI. Only auto-discovery 
	  of these devices is supported.


	  My sample configuration is:
	  ---------------------------

		-----------------
		|  HUB |A |R |	|
		|  #1  |G |E |	|
		|      |E |P |	|
		|      |N |9 |	|
		|      |T |0 |	|
		|      |9 |C |	|
		|      |0 |  |  |
		-----------------
			    \
			     \
			      \
			       \ <-----	- Thin Wire connection from 
				\	  DECRepeater_90C on HUB #1 to Thin 
				 \	  Wire Backplane port on HUB #2.
       				  \	- Length 120 m, so I can't connect
				   \	  the two HUBs trough theyr Thin Wire  
	      -------------------   \	  Backplane ports.
	      |  HUB	  |R |	|    \
	      |  #2	  |E |	|     \
	      |	  	  |P |	|      \
	      |	  	  |9 |	|-------
	      |	  	  |0 |	|
	      |	  	  |TS|	|
	      -------------------


	HUB #1 Modules:
		- DECAgent_90 		- With HUB Management enabled.
		- DECRepeater_90C 	- Managed by DECAgent_90.
	
	HUB #2 Modules:
		- DECRepeater_90TS	- Managed by HUBWatch V3.1 like an
					  independent SNMP Agent through its
					  built-in Agent.
					- But it can't be added into a 
					  comunity managed by DECAgent_90.

	
	Many thanks in advance.
	Andrea & Licio (MCS - Italy)		
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2164.1Bad news and good newsROGER::GAUDETBecause the Earth is 2/3 waterTue Apr 04 1995 17:1417
DECagent 90 V3.0 firmware will not manage the DECrepeater 90TS at all, in
neither its own hub nor a remote hub.  The V3.0 firmware will be providing
support for the new higher-density repeaters and the DECstack 90 environment.

But the good news is that the new V2.0 DECrepeater 90TS firmware will provide
management of repeaters in its hub, so you will be able to get a hub view of
90TS's hub by specifying the 90TS's IP address to HUBwatch.  And any of the
"dumb" repeaters (i.e. those which do not have an integral agent) in that hub
will be manageable through the 90TS.

The above statements also apply to the DECrepeater 90FS.

Note that this new firmware will be available in the next wave of firmware due
out shortly.  Contact product management for schedule and other functional
requests.

...Roger...
2164.2A potential problem coming up here....STKHLM::WEBJORNTue Apr 04 1995 17:3317
    
    Well, easy
    
    Remove all DECagents when installing manageable repeaters. However
    this might be a problem for people adding a new *unit* including
    management support that conflicts with another *unit* with mgmt.
    
    Could an algorithm be invented that causes interconnected units
    with management support to *disable* mgmt master functionality
    based on for example discovering another unit with lower hwaddr,
    ( adding a new box will not disrupt already present mgmt installed
    on older box with hopefully older hwaddr )
    
    I bet the other HUB vendors do not add 2 or 3 or 4 management cards
    to their hubs by 'mistake'.
    
    Gullik
2164.3Not to worryROGER::GAUDETBecause the Earth is 2/3 waterTue Apr 04 1995 17:558
There is a bus arbitration algorithm that is implemented by the devices (DENMA,
DEFMI and DETMI) that permits only one hub master.  And if you insist on placing
more than one potential hub master in the hub, you can set a configuration
parameter in the DENMA setup menu so that the DENMA does not participate in the
bus arbitration scheme.  I do not know if the DETMI/DEFMI will implement such a
parameter from their setup menus.

...Roger...
2164.4FS/TS allow thisNETCAD::FORINOWed Apr 05 1995 12:543
    Yes - both the FS and TS allow you to enable/disable the hub mastership
    for the devices.
    							John