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Conference netcad::hub_mgnt

Title:DEChub/HUBwatch/PROBEwatch CONFERENCE
Notice:Firmware -2, Doc -3, Power -4, HW kits -5, firm load -6&7
Moderator:NETCAD::COLELLADT
Created:Wed Nov 13 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4455
Total number of notes:16761

2131.0. "DECswitch 900 EF and 0 latency" by CGOOA::CRICK () Wed Mar 22 1995 00:47

    Note 716.3 references the Scott Brader report on the DECswitch 900 EF
    and indicates that the product has "0" latency for Ethernet to Ethernet
    traffic.
    
    If we do not use Cut-Through switching how do we achieve 0 latency?  If
    we are transfering Ethernet frames in between bridge ports,
    do't we have to read the full frame into the switch and determine if is
    valid before we transfer it.  If that is the technique we use, how do
    we arrive at 0 latency?
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2131.1Well....not quite 0 latency :-)NETCAD::BATTERSBYWed Mar 22 1995 12:538
    It is mentioned in the Bridge/Switching Products on the DECHUB web
    page that Scott Bradner's test equipment accuracy has a tolerance of 
    +/- 64 microseconds. We measured 35 microseconds in our lab. This is
    mentioned too under Performance. Oh and we do not use cut-through 
    switching. The 35 usecs is all the time we need to store&forward the 
    packets. 
    
    Bob
2131.2Further clarification....NETCAD::BATTERSBYWed Mar 22 1995 12:565
    Also the statement in 716.3 *does* in fact mention that there is a 
    small finite amount of latency, thus alluding to some test accuracy
    allowance in Bradner's test.
    
    Bob
2131.3How Scott timed it.CGOS01::DMARLOWEWow! Reality, what a concept!Wed Mar 22 1995 19:145
    Also Scott's time starts when the last byte of the packet arrives (CRC)
    til the first byte starts coming out of the destination port.  Thus the
    35uS in the lab fits into the +-64uS accuracy of Scott's clock.
    
    dave
2131.4More on Latency ComparisonsDELNI::PIEPERWed Mar 22 1995 21:2833
    It is important to note that latency for store and forward devices is
    measured from receipt of the LAST bit of the incoming frame to the
    transmission of the first bit of the outgoing frame.  This is per an
    IETF spec for bridges and routers.  As stated in the other responses
    the 35uS latency was too fine for Bradners equipment to measure so we
    ended up with a 0 latency number (as well as most of the other vendors).  
    Bradner now has better equipment for measuring the latency and has been 
    retesting equipment so you will probably see the 35uS number showing up 
    on his latest reports.
    
    Latency for cut-thru devices is typically measured from the receipt
    of the FIRST bit of the incoming frame to the transmission of the
    first bit of the outgoing frame.  Quite different from the IETF
    specification!
    
    If you want to try to compare cut-thru switches and store and 
    forward switches, you would need to use a new definition instead of 
    latency.  Let's call it "delay".  So the "delay" for the cut-thru 
    device is the latency and the "delay" for the store and foward device 
    is the length of the packet plus the latency.
    
    Don't get all exited about this apparent "delay" advantage though since
    cut-thru switches suffer from many other disadvantages (forwarding of 
    runt packets that are caused by collisions, inability to interconnect 
    dissimilar networks (FDDI to Ethernet) or dissimilar speeds (10 Mb 
    Ethernet to 100 Mb Ethernet), lack of filtering options) 
    
    Also realize that cut-thru switches can only cut-thru if the
    outbound port is NOT busy, otherwise they too have to store and
    forward!  So if more than two ports try to get to a single outbound
    port, the cut-thru switch needs to revert to store and forward.  This
    scenario will happen quite a bit in a normally busy network.  When 
    this happens, the "delay" advantage evaporates!
2131.5Ethernet cut thru not worth reduced latencyCGOS01::DMARLOWEWow! Reality, what a concept!Thu Mar 23 1995 15:167
    Also discussed in ETHERNET_V2 1023 were some comments about cut thru
    switching (bridging).  With low traffic cut thru is only marginally
    faster than store-and-forward.  With medium and high traffic, even
    Digital News and Review didn't like cut thru (Kalpana) due to packet
    loss because of small buffers.
    
    dave