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Title:DEChub/HUBwatch/PROBEwatch CONFERENCE
Notice:Firmware -2, Doc -3, Power -4, HW kits -5, firm load -6&7
Moderator:NETCAD::COLELLADT
Created:Wed Nov 13 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4455
Total number of notes:16761

2085.0. "900FP redundant fibre standard" by STROP::LAYLAND (Iligitami nil Carborundum) Thu Mar 09 1995 08:12

The decrepeater 900FP has a redundant fibre configuration.   We would like to
know to what standard that this feature complies, if any.  FOIRL/10baseF ??




Regards \John UK NBU 830-3552
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2085.1NETCAD::HERTZBERGHistory: Love it or Leave it!Wed Mar 15 1995 15:0814
    The links on all our fiber repeaters are compliant with ANSI and ISO
    industry standards FOIRL and 10BaseFL.
    
    The redundant configuration, which we refer to as Dual-Port
    Redundancy (DPR), is a Digital-unique feature not covered by any
    industry standard (and is Patent Pending, by the way).
    
    To get the maximum fault coverage, you need either a 900FP or a 90FS at
    both the "master" and "slave" ends of the dual link.  If you have a 
    900FP or a 90FS at the "master" end of the link and some other fiber 
    repeater (Ditigal or non-Digital) at the "slave" end, then the "slave" 
    is referred to as a "non-responder" and the configuration provides only 
    partial fault coverage.
    
2085.290FS connected to TWO 900FPs, will this work?STRWRS::KOCH_PIt never hurts to ask...Thu Oct 12 1995 20:007
    
    This seems to be the note to ask this. I want to provide redundancy to
    a multistack 90FS from TWO DIFFERENT 900FPs. If I hook it up this way,
    will it work? Basically I want port 1 from each 900FP which are in
    different closets to go to the same 90FS located in a closet which is
    arrived at by diverse routing of the fiber from TWO different closets.
    Will this work?
2085.3NETCAD::HERTZBERGHistory: Love it or Leave it!Fri Oct 13 1995 12:4110
    Yes, but you must make the 90FS in the multistack the DPR master,
    because the master ports must be on the same module.  The 900FPs would
    have the slave responder ports, which do not have to be on the same 
    module (they should be on the same network segment, however).
    
    Also, setting up DRP in the 90FS might require it to have its own IP 
    address... some of our firmware people can confirm or deny this.
    
    						Marc
                                                                 
2085.4NETCAD::DRAGONFri Oct 13 1995 13:058
    
    >Also, setting up DRP in the 90FS might require it to have its own IP
    >address...
    
    This is the case via HUBwatch if the 90FS is not the multistack master,
    which will have its own IP address by default.
    
    Bob
2085.5STRWRS::KOCH_PIt never hurts to ask...Fri Oct 13 1995 17:144
    
    What do you mean on the same network segment? Does that mean something
    as simple as making sure that the 2 DECswitch 900EFs are on the same
    LAN (broadcast domain?). Is there any kind of write-up on these rules?
2085.6NETCAD::HERTZBERGHistory: Love it or Leave it!Mon Oct 16 1995 13:326
    By "on the same network segment," I mean on the same LAN.
    
    							Marc
    
    P.S.  Weren't we talking about PortSwitch 900FPs?  When did DECswitch
          900EFs get in this discussion?
2085.7STRWRS::KOCH_PIt never hurts to ask...Mon Oct 16 1995 14:206
    
    Each PortSwitch 900FP will be on a different hub in different closets.
    So, to put them on the same LAN, they'd have to be linked. I could link
    them with Ethernet, but why not put a DECswitch 900EF in each hub and
    link them via DECswitch 900EFs? That's how 900EFs got into the
    discussion.
2085.8Must be on the same LAN segment?SNOFS1::KHOOJEANNIEHumpty Dumpty was pushedTue Oct 17 1995 05:388
    Re .6, do the two responders have to be on the same LAN segment because
    they communicate with each other when there is a problem (i.e. for
    fault detection in both directions)?
    
    Similarly, if you are happy with partial fault detection (RX link to
    master only), then can responders be on independent LAN segments?
    
    Jeannie
2085.9NETCAD::HERTZBERGHistory: Love it or Leave it!Tue Oct 17 1995 12:224
    No, the responders do not communicate with each other.  The reason we
    say they need to be on the same LAN is that otherwise, when the
    primary link fails and the secondary takes over, you just rewired your
    network.
2085.10NPSS::WADENetwork Systems SupportThu Mar 21 1996 12:084
    The responders need to be on the same LAN or extended LAN (which generally
    refers to a LAN that has been extended with bridges).
        
    bill