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Title:DEChub/HUBwatch/PROBEwatch CONFERENCE
Notice:Firmware -2, Doc -3, Power -4, HW kits -5, firm load -6&7
Moderator:NETCAD::COLELLADT
Created:Wed Nov 13 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4455
Total number of notes:16761

1886.0. "Problems getting HUBwatch to run on DE435 in DECpc XL" by 140MPH::W_FRANKLIN () Fri Jan 13 1995 17:56

Has anyone been able to get HUBwatch running on a DECpc XL with a DE435?  I only
have the IP network files supplied with HUBwatch and the DE435 driver and I have
not been able to get the network up.  The problem is detailed below in a note I
posted in the Etherworks notesfile without any responses.  Thanks for any help.

Entered in Etherworks notesfile:

	I have a DECpc XL 566 and a DE435-AA card. I have installed HUBwatch
which supplies the Pathworks TCP/IP stack but I cannot get the network to
start.  The DE435 is set for IRQ5.  When STRTNDIS executes it fails with
NETBIND Error 33 Unable to bind. Windows NT 3.5 runs on this same machine
with no problem.  I need to get this system running ASAP.
	Before the latest version of the DE435 driver I could not get STRTNDIS
past the SCHK startup.  The error stated no interrupt response from device.
The card is set to IRQ5.  The NETBIND would take about 10-15 seconds to run
before the SCHK failed.  I keep seeing NICSETUP mentioned but I cannot find
it anywhere and haven't been able to determine if it will help me in any way.

Bill Franklin
LAN Certification Group
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1886.1GRANPA::DFAUSTBad Things, man...Fri Jan 13 1995 19:417
    
    Try putting a /n after SCHK. This will stop it from looking at the
    interrupt and everything will probably work. I've seen this on other
    NICs.
    
    Dennis Faust
    
1886.2SCHL /NDIS to STRTNDIS.BATNETCAD::WAGNERCOFFILTue Jan 17 1995 13:0811
	As Dennis suggested...

	Add /NDIS to the SCHK.exe line in the STRTNDIS.BAT file.
	This command loads the scheduler for the network operating
	system. The /NDIS qualifier bypasses some NDIS error checking
	during loading. Excerpt from PW documentation... This switch
	may be necessary for a few thrid-party NDIS drivers.

	We have found this to be a problem in some cases and will be
	adding this line as the default in the next release version.    
Barb
1886.3CORRECTION: SCHK /NDIS to STRTNDIS.BATNETCAD::WAGNERCOFFILTue Jan 17 1995 13:110
1886.4Has anyone gotten HUBwatch to run on a DECpc XL with a DE435?140MPH::W_FRANKLINMon Jan 23 1995 15:256
Has anyone gotten HUBwatch to run on a DECpc XL with a DE435?  I haven't gotten
any useful responses from this notesfile or the Pathworks or Etherworks notes
files.  I am really very frustrated with this whole mess and noone seems to have
any answers.

Bill
1886.5HUBwatch v3.1 and DE43536770::SCHEIDTue Mar 07 1995 13:267
    
    I have a customer who has a DEC Celebris PC with a DEC DE435 PCI
    Ethernet card... will the the DE435 work with HUBwatch V3.1 ...
    the base note indicates that there may be a problem...
    
    
    
1886.6More Problems... HELP PLEASE!DAVIDF::FOXDavid B. Fox -- DTN 285-2091Mon Nov 27 1995 14:1626
    I've got a Celebris XL590 that I'm trying to get HUBwatch working on
    with a DE435 interface on it as well.  With some help from Barb, I was
    able to locate new drivers for it... V2.40 and have managed to get the
    IPSTACK up and running without any errors.  It was rather painful and I
    found that the HUBwatch installer didn't deal with the PROTOCOL.INI
    file properly.  I had to edit it by hand.
    
    I've run a few tests with PING and such so I know that the stack is
    running fine.
    
    When I startup V4.1.1 and specify the address of the DEChub 900 I get
    an error after a few moments "system error."  Nothing more to indicate
    what the problem might be.
    
    If I run the other HUBwatch programs like the HUBloader, for example. 
    I get an error that says that it is specifying too much memory in the
    PIF.  The box is titled MS-DOS EDITOR... KB REQUIRED is too large. 
    This happened when I clicked on EDIT LIST.  The HWDOS.PIF file is the
    same as when it was installed.
    
    If I run the TFTP server, I get an error that the Windows Socket
    Library is not available.  I'm running WFW V3.11.
    
    Where do I go from here?
    
    	David
1886.7Check PATH and READ_ME.TXT NETCAD::WAGNERCOFFILMon Nov 27 1995 16:1827
>>    file properly.  I had to edit it by hand.
The READ_ME.TXT specifically states for the "Other" Network Card Option you 
must manually edit the PROTOCOL.INI file.
    
>>    When I startup V4.1.1 and specify the address of the DEChub 900 I get
>>    an error after a few moments "system error."  Nothing more to indicate
>>    what the problem might be.
Taken from the READ_ME.TXT:
---------------------------
Message: Cannot Run Program	Reason:
				1- WINSOCK.DLL is not in PATH
				2- Network is not loaded

Message: System or General Error Reason:
				 1- DECPW.386 is not on the NETWORK= line
				    in the [386ENH] section of the
				    C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM.INI.
				 2- Windows is started in standard mode.
				 3- Mismatch between HUBwatch environment
				    variable and location of the installation 
				    of the HUBwatch executable.
				 4- WINSOCK environment variable is not set.
    
Check specifically the WINSOCK.DLL in the path and all the Reasons for the
System or General Error.

Barb
1886.8READ_ME.TXT... Duh! I shoulda had a V-8! :-)DAVIDF::FOXDavid B. Fox -- DTN 285-2091Mon Nov 27 1995 17:069
Hi Barb!

	Thanks for the response.  Is the READ_ME.TXT in the HUBWATCH directory?
I'll have to look for it next time.

	I'll check out your comments and let you know if I have more problems.

	Thanks!
		David
1886.9All is well!DAVIDF::FOXDavid B. Fox -- DTN 285-2091Mon Nov 27 1995 19:1754
Hi Barb!

	All is well now.  Here's what I needed to do:

	1)  Got new V2.40 DE435 driver kit from KALI::PCDRIVERS:[DE435.RELEASE]

	2)  Copied the NDIS2 DOS driver directory to the C: drive into a
	    DE435 directory for convenience

	3)  In the HUBwatch Installer, I chose set-up network configuration 
	    although you can also do this as part of the install.

	    3a)  Fill out addressing information as completely as possible.  The
		 XXX's that you'll see in address questions will cause problems
		 if left that way.  I replaced Gateway addresses with 0.0.0.0
		 instead.  Makes the TCP/IP components happier.  It would be
		 nice if the installer defaulted to 0.0.0.0 out of the box!

	    3b)  When you get to the driver selection, select OTHER

	    3c)  It will ask for the device/directory and driver name.  For my
		 environment I told it:

			Device/directory = C:\de435
			Driver           = dc21x4.dos

		 NOTE:  Check the resulting STRTNDIS.BAT.  Since I had changed
			the network config so many times I saw that the
			installer added multiple "ld" lines.  I deleted the
			duplicates and for good measure added the device and
			directory to the driver name as the installer didn't
			prepend it to the driver name.  I couldn't see how LD
			would know to find the driver in the DE435 directory.

	4)  When STRTNDIS.BAT is run it automatically adds the path to the
	    IPSTACK directory to the list.  WINSOCK.DLL lives there and is
	    important for HUBwatch.

	5)  Next I edited PROTOCOL.INI in C:\HUBWATCH\IPSTACK to add the
	    support for the DE435.  I'll post the file in the next 
	    note.

	6)  The last important thing to do is to edit C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM.INI.
	    Find the [386ENH] section and the line NETWORK=.  Insure that
	    DECPW.386 is contained on that line somewhere.  It is a comma
	    separated list.  If it isn't there, add it!

Reboot your PC and you should be golden.  My PC is running fine now with the
HUBwatch IP stack, and Microsoft NETBIOS stuff in WFW V3.11.

Hope this is helpful and complete!

	Regards,
		David
1886.10PROTOCOL.INI for a DE435 family interfaceDAVIDF::FOXDavid B. Fox -- DTN 285-2091Mon Nov 27 1995 19:1930
[protocol manager]
    DRIVERNAME  = PROTMAN$
 
[DATALINK]
    DRIVERNAME  = DLL$MAC
    LG_BUFFERS  = 14
    SM_BUFFERS  = 6
    OUTSTANDING = 32
    BINDINGS    = DC21X4$
    DECPARM     = c:\hubwatch\
;;  NI_IRQ      = 5
;;
;;  Your DECnet address is AA000400A611
;;
 
[DC21X4$]

DRIVERNAME = DC21X4$

;; Range: 1-26.   
;; Usage: "Slot=nn"
;------------------
; SLOT = 16             

;; Options: TP, AUI, BNC, TP_FULL_DUPLEX, AUTOSENSE
;; Usage: "SIA_Mode=xxx" 
;-----------------------  
SIA_MODE = AUTOSENSE
  

1886.11READ_ME.TXT on diskette 1 and in \HUBWATCH directoryNETCAD::WAGNERCOFFILMon Nov 27 1995 19:233
The HUBwatch READ_ME.TXT is on diskette 1 and should reside in your \HUBWATCH
directory.
Barb