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Conference netcad::hub_mgnt

Title:DEChub/HUBwatch/PROBEwatch CONFERENCE
Notice:Firmware -2, Doc -3, Power -4, HW kits -5, firm load -6&7
Moderator:NETCAD::COLELLADT
Created:Wed Nov 13 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4455
Total number of notes:16761

1577.0. "How does the DECagent 90 finds the hubs to manage" by COL01::LOPEZ () Fri Oct 14 1994 16:15

I'm a novice in the DEChub bussines.

I've installed HUBWATCH to manage DECHUB900 Modules.

It works great.

Now I have a customer, who also has DECHUB90 modules (Two 90 Hubs actually).
He bought an DECagent 90 to manage this devil modules. The HUBwatch use manual
says that, all I have to do to manage the DECHUB90 is to define a community
and add the modules and since V2.1 the DECagent will autodisciver some of the modules.


The question I have are:

- How do I tell the HUB90 to which community it belongs to ?

- How does the Agent90 knows, which HUB90 are in the network ?

I'm confused, because the misleading name of community. I use the name community
as defined in SNMP.

So I would like to manage all my components in my installation, with the same 
SNMP-community name.

What in heaven are this DECagent90 communities ?

How do they correlate with the SNMP-Communities ?

Do we have an internal guide to the DECagent90, how it works etc ?

Arturo Lopez
Cologne Germany
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1577.1Try this.CGOS01::DMARLOWEHave you been HUBbed lately?Fri Oct 14 1994 18:5019
    You click on Manage Community on the main screen.  Next you would
    click on Add in the community (upper half) of the screen.  Add the
    DECagent 90 with its IP and MAC address and name.  Double click
    on the square at the right hand side of the line.  You will get
    an Agent screen in the bottom half of the screen.  Click on Add
    and then add a single or double DEChub 90.  You can add more DEChub
    90's if you wish.  Again double click on the square at the right
    side of the hub line.  Click on Cancel and you will now have a display
    of an empty hub.  To add a DECbridge 90 or 90FL, click on slot 7
    or 8 then go into Add on the pull down menu and enter the information.
    A DECbridge should appear on the appropriate slot.  If you have
    polling enabled then in a few minutes you should get a screen refresh
    with all the repeaters showing.  If you originally selected a single
    hub but have a daisy chained hub, then that will show up on a refresh.
    
    I haven't done this for a couple of months so I hope I renmembered
    everything.

    dave
1577.2A brief lesson in SNMP community managementROGER::GAUDETBecause the Earth is 2/3 waterFri Oct 14 1994 19:3719
Dave's description (.1) looks pretty complete.  I'll elaborate on some of the
other points.

You cannot use a single community name to manage *all* your hubs.  SNMP
management is based on a unique IP address / community name pair.  With the
DEChub 900's, you manage them using a unique IP address, so the community name
can be the same for many hubs.  Since the DECagent 90 can manage many DEChub 90
communities (but the DECagent has only a single IP address), the community name
is what makes the pair unique.

The DECagent always has at least one community, the one that it is in.  If it is
in a DEChub 90, it will discover other modules in that hub.  But remote
communities must be added via HUBwatch, as Dave describes in .1, with unique
community names.  By adding a DECbridge to that remote hub, the DECagent uses it
to discover the other modules in that hub.

That's the 30-second description.

...Roger...
1577.3I've got it with the community, one more QuestionCOL01::LOPEZMon Oct 17 1994 16:0616
    Did I understand you correctly ?
    
    The DECagent uses a bridge 90 to autodiscover and communicate with the 
    modules in the DEChub.
    
    
    If I do not have a Bridge on a DEChub, I have to configure the HUB
    manually. How does the DECagent communicate with the DEChub90 modules
    in this case (No Bridge) ?
    
    Which protocoll does the DECagent use to communicate with the bridge ?
    
    Which protocoll does the Brige use to communicate with the other
    modules in the DEChub 90 ?
    
    Arturo
1577.4There must be a hub master to manage the repeatersROGER::GAUDETBecause the Earth is 2/3 waterMon Oct 17 1994 16:2930
Let me be very clear about this.

In the hub in which the DECagent is installed, you DO NOT need a bridge to
manage the repeaters in that hub.  The DECagent can be the hub master and manage
the repeaters.  Of course, if your configuration calls for a bridge in that hub,
it is perfectly legal to install one (and manage it with the DECagent).

In a REMOTE hub, you must have a bridge installed in order to manage the
repeaters in that hub.  The DECagent "speaks" the RBMS protocol (80-38) to the
bridge to manage it and the repeaters in that hub.

You cannot manage the repeaters in a remote hub without a bridge in that hub.
Manually configuring repeaters in a remote hub without a bridge in that hub will
not allow you to manage them with the DECagent.  There must be a hub master
present in the hub to accomplish the management.  At this time, only the
DECbridge 90/90FL is supported as the remote hub master for management with a
DECagent.

In both cases above, the hub master (the DECagent in the first hub and the
DECbridge in the remote hubs) "speaks" a protocol we call "Left Hitchcock" which
is a serial protocol transmitted on the backplane management channel.  There are
other notes in this conference which explain this protocol to varying levels of
detail.

One last note.  Remember that we are speaking only of the so called "dumb
repeaters" which currently consists of the DECrepeater 90C, 90T, 90T+, 90FA and
90FL.  This does not include the DECrepeater 90FS and 90TS which are managed
directly using their own built-in SNMP agent.

...Roger...
1577.5COL01::LOPEZMon Oct 24 1994 08:517
Roger,

thank you very much for aour explanation.

I now know the reason, why I could not see the modules in  a DEChub90.

Arturo