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Conference netcad::hub_mgnt

Title:DEChub/HUBwatch/PROBEwatch CONFERENCE
Notice:Firmware -2, Doc -3, Power -4, HW kits -5, firm load -6&7
Moderator:NETCAD::COLELLADT
Created:Wed Nov 13 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4455
Total number of notes:16761

1411.0. "Leakage tests for hospital." by CGOS01::DMARLOWE (Have you been HUBbed lately?) Mon Sep 12 1994 17:54

    We are bidding to get 2 GIGAswitches into a hospital, plus a bunch
    of DH 900MS and DEChub ONE's.
    
    The hospital does special electrical testing on all devices that
    come into the facility.  Devices are plugged into a tester and must
    not exhibit more than 500uA of ground leakage current.  They then
    reverse the AC leads (hot and neutral) and then test again for less
    than 500uA of leakage.
    
    Have we done any testing of this sort on the 900 MS and the DEChub
    ONE?  What were the test results?
    
    I'd like to know before our stuff gets on site.
    
    Thanks,
    dave
    
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1411.1OK if Vin is 120VAC.KALI::TOWNLEYMon Sep 12 1994 18:488
    Hi,	The DEChub ONE specifies its leakage current as not more than .75ma
    @264VAC 50HZ, as well as the DEChub 900 supply.  At 120Vac the readings
    for leakage current would 1/2.   This means that if the customers
    Voltage source is 240Vac (like in Europe) we most likey to not meet
    the 500ua max current requirement.  But if the source is 120Vac
    (US/Canada) than we meet this requirement of less than 500ua.
    Regards, Tom
    
1411.2moreKALI::TOWNLEYMon Sep 12 1994 21:054
    Hi,
    	Actual measurements by our safety group were less than
    500ua @250VAC on the DEChub ONE.  
    Regards, Tom
1411.3One down and one to go.CGOS01::DMARLOWEHave you been HUBbed lately?Tue Sep 13 1994 01:157
    Excellent.  And the 900MS?
    
    Keep this up and I'll owe you a couple of cool ones.  That is if
    I ever get down to Mass. assuming any more Network Symposiums in
    the future.
    
    dave
1411.4Some measured values.CGOS01::DMARLOWEHave you been HUBbed lately?Tue Sep 13 1994 21:2613
    I just did a couple of tests with a 900MS and 1 and 2 power supplies.
    I did both a AC current to building ground and also voltage drop
    thru a 1000 ohm resister for a double check.
    
    The DEChub ONE was in fact around 200-230uA.  Looks good.
    
    The 900MS did not do so well.  With one power supply it averaged
    around 550 uA.  2 power supplies came out to 780 uA.
    
    Are these values typical?  Can anything be done to lower the single
    power supply to less than 500 uA?
    
    dave
1411.5Reasonable readingsKALVIN::TOWNLEYThu Sep 15 1994 16:3110
    Hi,
    	The DEChub 900 has some internal AC filtering that adds 200-230ua
     to the power supply readings, this cannot be changed.  The good news
    is though this number does not change from 1 to 4 power supplies
    attached.  The total leakage current est is;
    
    		I(L)= I(DEChub900) + #PS X 200-230ua
    
                    =    200-230ua + #ps(1-4) x 200-230ua
  Regards, Tom                                               
1411.6Clairification...CGOS01::DMARLOWEHave you been HUBbed lately?Thu Sep 15 1994 16:5014
    My readings indicate that 1 supply yields 500-550 uA but 2 supplies
    yields ~780 uA and so one.  4 supplies should yield 230 (hub) + 230 +
    230 + 230 + 230 for a total of 1,250 uA.  Assuming the theory is
    right.
    
    Since each supply is an entity unto itself, shouldn't they each
    add a little ground leakage?  If they shouldn't then maybe we can
    talk offline about this.
    
    The hospital even tests PC's and only the ones less that 500 uA
    are kept.  Actually they will accept 600 uA tops but prefer 500
    uA.
    
    dave
1411.7I(L)NETCAD::TOWNLEYTue Sep 20 1994 19:405
    Hi,
    	I'm not sure what you mean by add a little ground leakage, the
    theory is right, the total leakage current per supply is independent
    of how many are connected.   
    Regards, Tom
1411.8Finger in dike to stop leakage.CGOOA::MARLOWEAdvanced Technology == MAGICTue Sep 20 1994 20:536
    Each supply adds a "little leakage" until we get to around 1,200uA with
    four supplies which is greater than the 500uA the hospital prefers but
    will accept and the 600uA cutoff limit at which time they send the
    equipment back to the manufacturer to be fixed.
    
    dave