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Conference netcad::hub_mgnt

Title:DEChub/HUBwatch/PROBEwatch CONFERENCE
Notice:Firmware -2, Doc -3, Power -4, HW kits -5, firm load -6&7
Moderator:NETCAD::COLELLADT
Created:Wed Nov 13 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4455
Total number of notes:16761

1056.0. "is this supported ?" by BIS5::RUTTENS () Wed Jun 01 1994 16:33


Hi,

In the configuration shown below you see a DEChub 90 with two bridges.
I know this configuration is normaly not supported due to 12V power 
restrictions.  But since we don't use the AUI connectors on the bridges 
(we use the BNC) I was wondering if we could support this typical case.

Their is also no danger to create a loop or to violate the workgroup 
restriction (200 nodes) since both bridges connect to a separate thin-wire 
segment.

Can somebody confirm this.

Many thanks and regards........Peter



		+------------+-+-+--+
		|	     | | |  |
		|	     | | |  +-------+------+------+
		|	     | | |  |        T-connectors to connect pc's
		|            |B|B|PS|
		|	     | | |  |
		|            |0|0|  |
		+------------+++++--+	
                              | |
                              | |
                              | +-------+--------+-------+
			      |
			      |     Thinwire segments
			      |     to connect stations
			      |
			      +--------+--------+-------+
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1056.1Should work OKROGER::GAUDETBecause the Earth is 2/3 waterWed Jun 01 1994 18:555
Actually, if your drawing is accurate, you have the bridges in slots 7 and 8,
both of which supply 12V.  So both bridges will operate correctly and the AUI
ports could be used if you wanted to.

...Roger...
1056.2yBIS5::RUTTENSThu Jun 02 1994 07:168
    Can you confirm that I realy can use both AUI ports. Because in the 
    DEChub90 Owners manual at page 2-16 is stated: " The DEChub 90
    backplane +12V power supply can only support one Eternet backbone 
    tranceiver cirquit."
    
    And yes both bridges are in slot 7 & 8.
    
    Peter
1056.3You are correct ... doc says no can do on 2 AUI'sROGER::GAUDETBecause the Earth is 2/3 waterThu Jun 02 1994 15:239
I am not a power supply guru, so I'm not sure.  However, if this is the case
(and you are correct, the documentation clearly states it), then you can use
neither two DECbridge 90s nor a single DECbridge 90 and a DECrepeater 90FA in a
single hub (if you want to use the AUI).  Me thinks you are "on your own" with
your clearly-documented-as-unsupported configuration.

Any power supply folks care to comment?

...Roger...
1056.4Stop reading TFM. 8^)CGOS01::DMARLOWEHave you been HUBbed lately?Thu Jun 02 1994 15:278
    Yes you can use both AUI's similtaniously.  There is no difference
    between 2 DB 90's in the hub and a DB 90 and a DA 90 or combinations
    including DEFAR's.  There is plenty of power but only to slots 7
    and 8.
    
    Throw out the DEChub 90 Owners Manual.

    dave
1056.5For sale - two DEChub 90 Owner's Manuals ... CHEAP! :-)ROGER::GAUDETBecause the Earth is 2/3 waterThu Jun 02 1994 15:344
Thanks for the confirmation, Dave.  I think I'll stick with answering software
questions from now on.  :-}

...Roger...
1056.6BIS5::RUTTENSFri Jun 03 1994 13:263
    Thanks for the answers. My manual is allready in the bin.
    
    Petet
1056.7Configuration is NOT supported4678::SLAWRENCEMon Jun 06 1994 15:016
    Regardless of power issues, you have violated the DB90 configuration
    rules for the workgroup, and are likely to have problems.
    
    You have made the backbone network the hub backplane - this is the
    workgroup port of the bridge.  This is _NOT_ a supported configuration
    and will very likely fail eventually.
1056.8Configure another way?CGOS01::DMARLOWEHave you been HUBbed lately?Mon Jun 06 1994 21:1924
    re. -.1
    
    Yes, there is a wall.  It will work until one of the DB 90's sees
    more than 200 node addresses appearing in the workgroup.
    
    		      #1     B	    #2
    A================DB90++++++++++DB90==================C
    			 workgroup
    
    DB 90 #1 will see addresses in the workgroup plus any addresses on
    Segment C.
    
    DB 90 #2 will see addresses in the workgroup plus any addresses on
    Segment A.
    
    If either bridge address table hits 200 them the customer could
    see weird effects, the least of which would be 1 or both bridges
    going into flood mode.  The DB 90 wasn't designed to go into this
    type of situation (LB 150/200 is) but it will work up to a limit.
    
    Bottom line, "All claims disclaimed, all disclaimers claimed".
    
    dave