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Title:DEChub/HUBwatch/PROBEwatch CONFERENCE
Notice:Firmware -2, Doc -3, Power -4, HW kits -5, firm load -6&7
Moderator:NETCAD::COLELLADT
Created:Wed Nov 13 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4455
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971.0. "DECrepeater 90C - configuration" by DELBOY::PURNELLR ( Life, it's not what I thought it was !) Tue May 10 1994 16:26

    
    I have a customer who wishes to know if the following configuration 
    will work. Am explanation and questions follow the diagram.
    
    The config is as follows;
    
    
                     lan A    
                       |        
    	 ________      |--------------- Rep A----        
        |Server A|-----|      lan B              |---- 5 * W/S
         -------- ------------- |                |
                       |        |                |
                       |        |                |
                       |        |                |
         --------      |        |                |
        |Server B|-----|        |                |
         -------- ------------- |                |
                       |        |                |
                       |        |------ Rep B----
                       |        |
    
    
   Explanation:
    
    The two servers are attached to two segments of ethernet.
    
    These segments then have 1 * DECrepeater 90C connected.
    
    The two respective DECrepeater 90C's are connected by 6 * segments of
    thinwire (ie Port 1 on Rep A goes to Port 1 on Rep B), each of the
    6 segments then has 5 * workstations daisy chained.
    
   Questions:
    
    Is this configuration legal ?
    
    What is the impact on the servers in as much as a destination ethernet
    address will be available down two channels on the same system ?
    
    By powering down 1 repeater, will it render the whole network dead ?
    
    I look forward to any assistance.....
    
    &*)
    
    Toto
    
    
    
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971.1loopyQUIVER::SLAWRENCEThu May 12 1994 13:0053
NO.  The configuration as described will definitly not work.

Expanding the picture to show all the repeater connections shows why:

>
>              lan A
>                |
>     ________   |--------- Rep A----+
>    |Server A|--|   lan B       ----|-+
>     -------- ------- |         ----|-|-+
>                |     |         ----|-|-|-+
>                |     |         ----|-|-|-|-+
>                |     |         ----|-|-|-|-|-+
>     --------   |     |         ----|-|-|-|-|-|-+
>    |Server B|--|     |             | | | | | | |
>     -------- ------- |             | | | | | | |
>                |     |             | | | | | | |
>                |     |--- Rep B----+ | | | | | |
>                |     |         ------+ | | | | |
>                                --------+ | | | |
>                                ----------+ | | |
>    Explanation:                ------------+ | |
>                                --------------+ |
>                                ----------------+
>
>     The two servers are attached to two segments of ethernet.
>
>     These segments then have 1 * DECrepeater 90C connected.
>
>     The two respective DECrepeater 90C's are connected by 6 * segments of
>     thinwire (ie Port 1 on Rep A goes to Port 1 on Rep B), each of the
>     6 segments then has 5 * workstations daisy chained.

You have 6 connections (the thinwires) between two repeaters; counting
the (large) number of loops in this configuration is left as an exercise
for the reader.

It appears that what your customer wants is redundant connections to
the servers; this is ok, so long as the servers are not doing any kind
of relay (routing or bridging).

As long as there is _no_ other repeater connection from Lan A to Lan
B, you could do what you want with 90C repeaters _IF_ you put all 30
workstations on just 1 thinwire between the two repeaters.  This would
provide redundant connections to the servers and the two Lans for each
workstation.  As far as the workstations are concerned, this is the
same as before (except that they are not in a loop, so the ethernet
will not always be full :-).  

It looks as though your customer doesn't fully understand the
difference between a repeater and a bridge.  A repeater does not
provide each port with a separate collision domain - every bit is
repeated onto every port, including collisions.