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Conference netcad::hub_mgnt

Title:DEChub/HUBwatch/PROBEwatch CONFERENCE
Notice:Firmware -2, Doc -3, Power -4, HW kits -5, firm load -6&7
Moderator:NETCAD::COLELLADT
Created:Wed Nov 13 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4455
Total number of notes:16761

635.0. "DECbridge 900 Questions" by VNASWS::HONISCH (Guenter Honisch NSTC Austria) Tue Jan 18 1994 16:18

    Does the DECbridge 900 in Standalone (DEChub ONE) Config have a third
    AUI Port ??? (+ three 10-BASE-T Ports)
    
    What timeframe is the (special??) DEChub ONE for the DECbridge 900 MX
    available ??
    
    Is there a special Filtering Mode like Gigaswitch has for Implementation
    of private Lan's available ??
    (i.e. Port 3 and Port 5 are connected for Protocoltype X only, no other 
    Ports speak with those two ports except Spanning Tree Pkts)
    
    
    					Guenter
    
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635.1LEVERS::ANILTue Jan 18 1994 22:009
    Yes, with the docking station, available at FCS of DB900MX, one of the
    10BaseT ports will be switchable to the D/S's AUI via the setup menu.
    (This should make it easy to replace DB620's with 900's, with
    additional 10BaseT ports available.)
    
    Protocol filtering for Enet types, SAPs and PIDs will allow restriction
    of specified protocols to any set of bridge ports.
    
    Anil
635.2more details about filteringVNASWS::HONISCHGuenter Honisch NSTC AustriaWed Jan 19 1994 09:2517
    What our Customers expect from Filtering:
    
    "private LAN's" in a szenario like:
    one group uses a IP net at ports 1-3
    a second group uses a IP net at ports 4-6
    these Groups are completely isolated from each other,
    except for spanning Tree
    So its actually a "AND" of Source and Destination Port with Prot. Type
    
    GIGAswitch can do this, I hard a RETIX Brouter does it, but whats about
    the lower End.
    
    Even more perfect would be a solution where I can define bridged
    Groups of Ports and route IP between those Groups in one BOX
    (solves # of subnets problem in LAN's)
    
    						Guenter
635.3QUIVER::SLAWRENCEWed Jan 19 1994 12:1213
    I'm trying to better understand the goals here... (feedback from the
    field is great, but not if we misunderstand it). 
    
    If the two groups are _completely_ isolated from each other, what
    difference does it make whether or not spanning tree is not, or whether
    or not there is just one device acting in effect as two separate
    bridges?
    
    What is to be attached to each port in a group?  Individual stations?
    Other bridges/hubs?  Repeaters?
    
    Could you expand on what you mean by "solves # of subnets problem in
    LAN's"?  
635.4SLINK::HOODI'd rather be surfingWed Jan 19 1994 13:243
There are people trying to design these virtual LANs within a box now, but
there are no hub products that do this in the short-term (now or within the
next couple of months).
635.5STRWRS::KOCH_PIt never hurts to ask...Tue Jan 25 1994 12:362
    I assume from reading .1 that you use the DEHUA to make this a DEChub
    ONE DECBridge 900MX, not the DEF1H. Am I correct?
635.6some clarificationsVNASWS::HONISCHGuenter Honisch NSTC AustriaTue Jan 25 1994 22:1931
    Sorry, I was not in the Office to respond.
    
    The Customer just wants to isolate groups from each other.
    
    Spanning tree is just mentioned here because normally you can't filter
    out spanning tree protocol. (or turn off Spanning Tree Entity)
    There is no need for this function at this customer
    
    About the # of subnets: if I have a collapsed Backbone Router, I need a
    separate subnet for each attached LAN, so I need a lot of IP address
    space plus address changes for relocating users over Boundaries.
    Customers would prefer to have i.e. several Ports or Endstation
    addresses bridged into one group and route only between those bridged
    groups.
    Somewhat like a Gigaswitch with a attached router in one affordable
    Package... 
    In this case it does not matter how the users are attached, assume with
    repeaters
    
    BTW
    What we really miss in our productset, is a way to transport those
    workgroups across Hub boundaries without mixing them together at the
    backbone (i.e. FDDI)
    I saw a 3COM presentation about the same subject where they going to
    use separate ATM PVC's to tunnel those groups over one fiber to a
    Backbone Router.
    But this deviates from the original Question about "port grouping"...
    
    
    		I did not want to start a rathole
    							Guenter
635.7LEVERS::ANILFri Jan 28 1994 00:0010
    > I assume from reading .1 that you use the DEHUA to make this a DEChub
    > ONE DECBridge 900MX, not the DEF1H. Am I correct?
    
    I'm not sure of the names.. if these are respectively the D/S with only
    Ethernet AUI and the one with AUI as well as FDDI MOD/PMD capability
    (currently under development), then the answer is either.  The front panel
    FDDI is a DAS MIC connector -- if this is suitable, it would obviously be
    cheaper to go with the AUI one.
    
    Anil