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Conference netcad::hub_mgnt

Title:DEChub/HUBwatch/PROBEwatch CONFERENCE
Notice:Firmware -2, Doc -3, Power -4, HW kits -5, firm load -6&7
Moderator:NETCAD::COLELLADT
Created:Wed Nov 13 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4455
Total number of notes:16761

395.0. "Repeater rules - Clarification Requested" by CSC32::N_HENDERSON (CSC/CS Internal Network Support) Mon Sep 20 1993 15:33

    Is this an appropriate place to discuss configuration questions with
    DEChub90's and their associated modules?  If not, would someone mind
    directing me elsewhere?  If so, thank you for considering the
    following:
    
    Everything in our bones tells us that this in an illegal configuration. 
    However, we would like to know what rules apply.  In particular, we're
    quite confused as to whether we use the 2-repeater rule, counting the
    DR90C's as one and the DR90FL link segments as one, or whether we use
    the DR90C's as a thinwire/aui segment with the 5-4-3 rule??????
    
    		DEChub90   -- Used as the "hub" in a "star"
    		DR90FL
    	     --	DR90FL
    	    /  	DR90FL
    	 fiber	DR90FL
    	/	DR90FL
    DEChub90	DR90FL
    DR90C	DR90FL           DEChub90	 DEChub90
      |		DR90FL --fiber-- DR90FL --fiber--DR90FL
    thin			 DR90C		 DR90C
      |				 DR90C		 DR90C --thin-- PC
      PC			   |
     				  thin
    				   |
                                   PC
    		
    
    To further show our confusion, would different rules apply if we where
    using DEChub900's? In particular, how do we count the backplane, DR90C
    to DR90FL?
    
    Is there a good online guide to such configurations?  We have the
    Owners' Manuals for each of the products, but it is still unclear.
    
    Any efforts to set us straight would be greatly appreciated.
    
    Nancy Henderson
    TBU Networks Internal Support
    CSC/CS
    
    
    PS:  Our recommendation in this case was to bridge the additional hubs
         beyond the "hub" DEChub90 connections, thus also allowing management
    	 in those  hubs.
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395.1answerCGOS01::DMARLOWEdsk dsk dsk (tsk tsk tsk)Tue Sep 21 1993 17:2058
    Putting fiber bridges into the other hubs is goodness as you throw
    out the repeaters rules so it's a legal config plus hub management.
    
                    DEChub90   -- Used as the "hub" in a "star"
                    DR90FL
                 -- DR90FL
                /   DR90FL
             fiber  DR90FL
            /       DR90FL
DEChub90   /        DR90FL
        DR90FA      DR90FL
        DR90C       DR90FL           DEChub90        DEChub90
          |         DR90FL --fiber-- DR90FL --fiber--DR90FA
        thin                         DR90C           DR90C
          |                          DR90C           DR90C --thin--PC Z
          PC A                         |
                                      thin
                                       |
                                       PC

    It's illegal because the longest path PC A to PC Z goes through
    90C, 90FA, 90FL, 90FL, 90FL, 90FA and a 90C.  That's 7 repeaters.
    I had to add one repeater the the left hub to get the fiber into
    the hub (only had a 90C in it).  As for segments there are thinwire,
    fiber, fiber, fiber, thinwire which is legal as there are 5 segments
    of which 3 or less are coax.  Terminated hubs count as a zero length
    coax so are not counted as a segment.  Daisy chained hubs or hubs
    with extended coax out of the side must be counted as a segment.
    
    Now it could be legal if you want to calculate out delays through
    all the repeaters and fiber and coax.  But that's dangerous as the
    customer could break the network in the future by just adding another
    repeater of some fiber or coax.  Rules are somewhere in the back
    of the blue Open DECconnect book.

    Change the diagram to the following:
    
                        DEChub90   -- Used as the "hub" in a "star"
                    DB90
                 -- DR90FL
                /   DR90FL
             fiber  DR90FL
            /       DR90FL
DEChub90   /        DR90FL----------fiber--------
        DB90FL      DR90FL                       \
        DR90C       DR90FL           DEChub90     \  DEChub90
          |         DR90FL --fiber-- DB90FL        --DB90FL
        thin                         DR90C           DR90C
          |                          DR90C           DR90C --thin--PC Z
          PC A                         |
                                      thin
                                       |
                                       PC
    

    Regards,
    dave