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Title:DEChub/HUBwatch/PROBEwatch CONFERENCE
Notice:Firmware -2, Doc -3, Power -4, HW kits -5, firm load -6&7
Moderator:NETCAD::COLELLADT
Created:Wed Nov 13 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4455
Total number of notes:16761

311.0. "FEEDBACK ON HUBWATCH FOR WINDOWS" by TROOA::LEONG () Thu Jul 22 1993 23:28

The comments below are from a customer who just installed Hubwatch for 
Windows. Any assistance in helping him resolve some of these issues will
be very much appreciated.

Thanks
Leslie Leong
Toronto.

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As you requested, the following are my observations about the HUBwatch product:

a.  The installation manual of the product is incomplete.  The
information contained in the READ.ME files in the distribution were
critical to the installation.  This is specially true for installation
with a non-DEC Ethernet board (the PC I used had an SMC Elite Combo,
using an NDIS driver with Pathworks).

b.  The lack of co-existence with Pathworks is a major drawback.  It is
very inconvenient to have to reboot and reconfigure the PC everytime we
need to run HUBwatch.  The READ.ME files mentioned an unsupported setup
for HUBwatch and Pathworks co-existence.  I did not try that method yet. 
I'll let you know of my impressions as soon as I succeed with that
setup.

c.  It appears that some database manager (DBM) is used with HUBwatch. 
That DBM seems to be sensitive to data corruption.  If HUBwatch aborts
(as it did many times, see below) database consistency is lost. 
Opening an existing network results in

	RAIMA DATA MANAGER USER ERROR -6
	INVALID DB_ADDRESS
	C errno=0: error 0
	DLL: Raima Data Manager 3.21A

That network database component had to be deleted.  A DB check and
rebuild/recovery utility would be useful in this case.

d.  HUBwatch seems to have a bug which causes the mouse movements to be
misinterpretted.  HUBwatch seems to behave initially, but after a few
minutes of use, the problems show up.  Moving the mouse causes
unpredictable windows reactions (e.g., resizing windows, moving windows,
changing focus from one window to another, iconizing windows, etc.). 
The PC in question has a Logitech serial mouse.  To exit from the
problem, I had to use the keyboard commands for Windows to exit from
HUBwatch and other window applications, and finally exit Windows.  Once
the mouse problem occurs, all of Windows is impaired; it must be
restarted.

I suspected that the use of interrupt vector of 0x69 for the
packet_int_no was the cause of the problem.  I tried other interrupt
vector addresses without any success.
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311.1Pathworks- HUBwatch for Windows coexistence should be better with V1.1 NAC::FORRESTMon Jul 26 1993 21:1464
>a.  The installation manual of the product is incomplete.  The
>information contained in the READ.ME files in the distribution were
>critical to the installation.  This is specially true for installation
>with a non-DEC Ethernet board (the PC I used had an SMC Elite Combo,
>using an NDIS driver with Pathworks).

You are partially correct; packet drivers are not available for all 
Ethernet adapter boards. After some testing, we decided to include the 
NDIS shim. The information in the README.TXT file will be in the manual 
for V1.1.

>b.  The lack of co-existence with Pathworks is a major drawback.  It is
>very inconvenient to have to reboot and reconfigure the PC everytime we
>need to run HUBwatch.  The READ.ME files mentioned an unsupported setup
>for HUBwatch and Pathworks co-existence.  I did not try that method yet. 
>I'll let you know of my impressions as soon as I succeed with that
>setup.

We agree that it is a major drawback; we hope to make Pathworks co-existence 
supported in V1.1, if you are running Pathworks V4.1 over DECnet. Pathworks 
5.0 and HUBwatch 2.0 should coexist with no limitations, we hope.

>c.  It appears that some database manager (DBM) is used with HUBwatch. 
>That DBM seems to be sensitive to data corruption.  If HUBwatch aborts
>(as it did many times, see below) database consistency is lost. 
>Opening an existing network results in

>	RAIMA DATA MANAGER USER ERROR -6
>	INVALID DB_ADDRESS
>	C errno=0: error 0
>	DLL: Raima Data Manager 3.21A

>That network database component had to be deleted.  A DB check and
>rebuild/recovery utility would be useful in this case.

I guess we didn't find all the possible data corruption problems. Any more 
information you could provide as to what caused this error would be 
appreciated. Once you have the corrupted data problem, the only way 
to get rid of it is to run IN.BAT in the HUBWATCH/CORE directory. This 
will, unfortunately, wipe out your network database.


>d.  HUBwatch seems to have a bug which causes the mouse movements to be
>misinterpretted.  HUBwatch seems to behave initially, but after a few
>minutes of use, the problems show up.  Moving the mouse causes
>unpredictable windows reactions (e.g., resizing windows, moving windows,
>changing focus from one window to another, iconizing windows, etc.). 
>The PC in question has a Logitech serial mouse.  To exit from the
>problem, I had to use the keyboard commands for Windows to exit from
>HUBwatch and other window applications, and finally exit Windows.  Once
>the mouse problem occurs, all of Windows is impaired; it must be
>restarted.

We never saw anything like this problem, and we did do some testing with 
a serial mouse, though perhaps it wasn't a Logitech. It does sound like 
an interrupt or I/O problem. I don't think the 0x69 is the conflict though; 
it sounds more like a physical interrupt conflict (1-5). Is there another 
unused interrupt vector that you could set the Ethernet card to? or the 
async port to?




311.2Checking the hardwareTROOA::LEONGWed Jul 28 1993 21:5011
>We never saw anything like this problem, and we did do some testing with 
>a serial mouse, though perhaps it wasn't a Logitech. It does sound like 
>an interrupt or I/O problem. I don't think the 0x69 is the conflict though; 
>it sounds more like a physical interrupt conflict (1-5). Is there another 
>unused interrupt vector that you could set the Ethernet card to? or the 
>async port to?

The customer has checked and he really has a bus mouse - not a serial mouse. 
He is also getting the PC hardware checked to make sure it is not a PC 
hardware problem. Will provide more details soon.