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Conference netcad::hub_mgnt

Title:DEChub/HUBwatch/PROBEwatch CONFERENCE
Notice:Firmware -2, Doc -3, Power -4, HW kits -5, firm load -6&7
Moderator:NETCAD::COLELLADT
Created:Wed Nov 13 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4455
Total number of notes:16761

45.0. "Market Perception of RMBS Behind SNMP?" by CSOA1::HORRIGAN () Tue May 12 1992 21:39

    I have a customer who's already suspicious about our DECagent 90
    product.  He's surmised that it uses something other than SNMP when
    managing our MPRs and in reading through this notes file I've found
    RBMS to be the link between the DECagent and the MPRs.
    
    In the real world (as opposed to the marketing world), should he have
    any concerns about our "background" use of RBMS?  What would (will) our
    competitors say?
    
    Regards, Chris H.
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45.1let's raise some suspicions of our ownMEMIT::FORRESTMon May 18 1992 16:5332

The DECagent 90 actually speaks RBMS to the DECbridge 90, which acts as the 
bus master for the backplane management bus. The repeaters are polled by 
the bridge over this bus. Perhaps, in a future release, the DECagent 90 
can act as the bus master for the backplane bus, but it will not behave that 
way in the initial release.

No doubt our competitors will jump all over this, and point out that it's 
bad, and the wrong way to do things. In reality, one or more RBMS packets 
are spawned for each SNMP packet. If this overly concerns your customer, it 
can be dealt with by putting a DECagent in each hub with a bridge and then 
filtering RBMS traffic toward the backbone.

Our reason for going with the proxy (translating SNMP to RBMS and MOP) 
approach was to lower the cost of SNMP management for the customer. This 
approach allows us to share the cost of the SNMP management module 
(DECagent 90) across multiple hubs. It also allows us to manage standalone 
DECbridge 90s and DECserver 90L's via SNMP without adding the cost of an 
SNMP agent to those modules.

Furthermore, the DECagent 90 works standalone, so it doesn't have to take 
up a slot in any of the hubs that it's managing.

If the customer still seems to be buying the competitor's argument, you 
might try pointing out that our mangement module is not a single point of 
failure for a whole hub. Some competitors combine SNMP management and 
retiming on a single module. If that module fails, the customer has lost 
management AND the repeating function for the whole hub. All connections 
will be dropped. We don't need a retiming module (or a controller card), 
so all you lose when the DECagent 90 goes down is SNMP management. You can 
still manage the hub using MOP! 
45.2One more point.OSAV20::IZUTANIKenji Izutani,Tech.Consul.,CSEC,DEC-JapanThu May 21 1992 14:186
One more point.  Proxy appoach may help to save the IP address space of 
customer who has only one class "B" or "C" address because only Agent 90 need 
to have a IP address and the repeaters and/or bridges need no IP address 
assigned. Generlly speaking, IP address space is scarce resource today.

Kenji