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Title:Microsoft Exchange Server
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Created:Fri Feb 17 1995
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Thu Jun 05 1997
Number of topics:1099
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850.0. "Help w/ sizing for 6000 users?" by CHOWDA::GLICKMAN (writing from Newport,RI) Thu Jan 30 1997 22:43

    Customer running all sorts of mail products is looking to use Exchange.
    
    They are talking about migrating 6000 users.  Some are running VMSmail,
    some TeamLinks, cc:mail, MS mail, UNIX Sendmail, etc.
    
    We are using the ballpark of 50MB per user of data storage.
    
    Can someone suggest how many servers and how many users per server
    (real world not theoretical)?  Looking for reasonable performance!
    This user community is composed of medium to heavy users.
    Also note, this user community does not tend to practice good
    housekeeping in regards to cleaning up their aread.
    
    They are looking at AlphaServers.
    
    Appreciating any responses.
    
                                                      
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850.1Been there, done that...bought the t-shirtOTOOA::kap843.kao.dec.com::LacailleHalf filled bottles of inspirationFri Jan 31 1997 00:0324
Some 'real-world' experience....

800 users per twin processor 2100...512Mb of memory...IS storage, 
well, you can do the math, but remember the magical 30G database 
barrier...RAID your disks.

You also want to consider space required in the event you may need to 
rebuild your DB.

Cheers,

Charlie

ps You may want to factor in the addition of file/print servers for 
additional storage (you mentioned no cleanup, so users should be 
given an Exchange mailbox limit but they WILL need extra 
storage)...ie non-exchange based data storage and file server based 
PST's....the subject of domain controllers etc are not even 
considered here....

pps how about the migration of all this foreign mail to 
Exchange...big headache...network issues....MR to SMTP gateways(VMS 
based)...the list goes on...have fun!
850.2Many things to consider...SIOG::bacardi.bvo.dec.com::dub03.dbo.dec.com::mccorryTenors get women by the score.Fri Jan 31 1997 21:4554
There are many other areas which deserve some attention.

Apart from the 16GB restriction on the Private Information Store (which should 
disappear in a post-5.0 release to be at least 4TB, although 16TB has been the 
figure mentioned for some time) you might want to question the principles 
behind large servers.

It is fairly straightforward to use the sophisticated clustering technology of 
OpenVMS to build huge ALL-IN-1 clusters capable of supporting tens of 
thousands of users with a reasonable element of redundancy.  Unfortunately, NT 
clustering technology is not really mature enough to offer the same 
functionality as OpenVMS clustering: intelligent failover, distributed lock 
manager; and in essence really just provides failover for disk shares.  Nor is 
Exchange intelligent enough at the moment to make use of any sophisticated 
clustering features.  All this changes in the future though.

For the moment then, we're left with the prospect of building huge servers 
(leaving aside the storage issue).  Your number one concern should be the 
downtime exposure that's suffered if one such server like this fails.  You 
reduce the exposure by using smaller servers.

An alternative ploy might be to build a greater number of smaller servers 
supporting not more than about 500 users per server.  Put these in a site and 
think of them as a reduced-function, loosely coupled cluster of Exchange 
systems.  Also, such hardware is more easily available and cheaper, and easier 
to hold hot swaps for, so in the event of a hardware failure, you can just 
swap in a new box or disk or whatever.  (Easier to do that than hold a spare 
TurboLaser, but I exagerate!)

And when NT clustering hits puberty, then you can just roll all of those 
existing servers into a nice resilient cluster!  (Of course, the hardware 
might be out of date by then!)

This really knocks the wind out of an argument for Alpha systems though, so be 
careful.

And apart from that sizing aspect, you'll want to consider network topology, 
bandwidth, NT domain design, traffic flow patterns, user group distribution in 
order to come up with the best topology for Exchange servers.

(It's fun though!)

Hope this helps.

K

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