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Conference 7.286::atarist

Title:Atari ST, TT, & Falcon
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Created:Mon Apr 04 1988
Last Modified:Tue May 06 1997
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1092.0. "ST NOTEBOOK/ST PAD" by QARRY::BHAMILTON (Buzz Hamilton) Fri Mar 15 1991 01:11

CeBIT '91 Newsbreak

March 13, 1991

Things are really heating up here today in Hannover, Germany at the
1991 version of CeBIT which is the largest computer show in the
world.  Atari surprised everyone with their announcement and
demonstration of two exciting new 68000 based computers.  The
following was described to me by Atari engineers as the were demoing
the equipment.  I have written this because I felt it newsworthy and
an important boost to the moral of Atari users everywhere.  I make
no guaranty for the accuracy of this information but I have tried to
get as much detail as possible.  The computer names used are only
"internal" Atari names and may be changed before release of the
products. 

ST Notebook

This is said to be the smallest 68000 based computer in the world.  Its
size rivals any PC Notebook style computer that I have seen.  It is
about 1/2 the size of my laptop computer and maybe 3/4 of an inch
thick.  Features include:

o    A built in mouse device that consists of three buttons.  The
     large center button is direction and possibly velocity sensitive
     to simulate mouse movement in direction and speed.

o    A laptop size keyboard, possibly a little smaller than
     standard.  The tactile feel was good.

o    512K ROM capability.  It looked like TOS 2.05 was shown in the
     prototype.   This prototype did have a very professional and
     finished look to it.

o    1 megabyte or 4 megabyte RAM versions available.  Uses
     pseudo-static RAM.

o    2 1/2 inch form factor internal hard drive.  20 megabytes was
     installed.  Presently up to 60 megabytes is possible.  Probably
     an IDE (AT) interface.

o    External ports include midi in and out, 1 serial, 1 parallel, 1
     combo either floppy drive OR ACSI, 2 RAM card slots (128K
     cards shown, said to support up to 4 megabytes), 128 pin
     computer direct port (all address, data lines, CPU control,
     etc.), modem connector (for optional internal voice/fax
     modem), keypad/mouse port.  Of course to maintain the small
     size, nearly all connectors were shrunk and non-standard
     types.

o    An excellent gray-tone LCD display.  It did not appear to be
     backlit which would make sense for the battery life.  This was
     said to be greater than 10 hours before recharging.  With less
     hard drive use, it would be longer.  
o    The replaceable battery pack shown was very small and
     contained about eight AA alkaline batteries.  If Ni-Cads were
     installed, the universal power supply would also recharge them
     when connected.  When the battery pack goes down, the
     notebook is automatically put in a halted state that is
     maintained for weeks until recharged.  Internal Ni-Cad
     batteries will maintain the halted state of the computer for
     about 5 hours if the battery pack is removed from the
     computer.

o    Atari has a few choices to transfer data to and from the
     computer.  Connect an external floppy drive.  Transfer over
     the serial ports with a modem or direct.  Transfer over the
     parallel ports at around 20 Kbytes/sec.  Connect an ACSI
     device such as a hard drive externally or possibly ACSI to
     ACSI communications.


ST PAD

This is similar to ST Notebook and shares most of the features but
has a futuristic interface.  A touch sensitive LCD display with a
pointing device was shown for mouse type functions and handwriting
recognition for input.  Physically, ST Pad looked like the "Etch-a-
Sketch" drawing toys that we grew up with minus the X/Y knobs. 
No keyboard was attached and there is not an internal hard drive. 
The OS software and large amount of scratchpad RAM were said to
have Artificial Intelligence features to allow ST Pad to actually learn
your handwriting style!  (Good luck with mine.)

ST Pad looked like it needed more time for completion but ST
Notebook looked like something we may actually see sometime this
summer or fall.  With this exciting new innovative line of computers
and Alwin Stumpf (from Atari GmbH) heading up a new world-wide
marketing campaign, it appears that this time Atari really may be
backing the promise with the product.

Copyright 1991  Tom Harker of ICD, Inc.  Permission for this release
to be distributed or reprinted is granted but only in its entirety. 


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1092.1Music stand computer?PRNSYS::LOMICKAJJeffrey A. LomickaFri Mar 15 1991 01:2510
You beat me to it by 10 minutes.

I want one.  I've been carrying 18 pounds of Stacy (with cables, power
supply, and 2400 baud modem) back and forth to work every day for a few
months now.  That shure would take a load off.  Too bad about the lack
of backlight tho.  (Be assured, I'm NOT complaining.  The Stacy is a
wonderful portable computer.  I'd buy it today even in light of Atari's
announcement, since we can be SURE this is a bit further off than this
summer.

1092.2update?MIDI::GOSSELINDan Gosselin, Bookreader developmentFri Jul 26 1991 16:445
Has anyone heard anything more about the Notebook?  Is it real or just
vaporware?  Jeff?

Enquiring minds wanna know...
Dan
1092.3I believe they existCOMICS::DSMMGRPigman, Pigman, ha ha charade you are...Mon Jul 29 1991 08:269
    Weren't both products demoed in Germany at the ST Fair there ?
    
    I believe it to be more than just VAPOURWARE and think I read somewhere
    ST/FORMAT or ST/USER that they are scheduled to be out in September.
    
    Allowing for the usual slippages etc. I am not prepared to say
    September in which year 8-)
    
    Jonathan
1092.4PRNSYS::LOMICKAJJeffrey A. LomickaMon Jul 29 1991 15:582
I've heard the same.  It's real.  The most recent date I've heard was
also September.
1092.5IJSAPL::KLERKTime to draw the Iron Curtain?Mon Aug 19 1991 07:395
1092.6Seen the piccies...RUTILE::BISHOPWed Aug 21 1991 13:302
    I've seen pictures in a French magazine... so it's real enough...
    looks quite nice too.
1092.7ST Book - hands on experiencePRNSYS::LOMICKAJJeffrey A. LomickaFri Feb 07 1992 13:0527
I have actually TRIED the ST-BOOK.  This machine is very well done.

The article in this month's ST Explorer is very accurate.  It runs on
NI-CAD packs or in a pinch on eight AA's.  You only have to boot it
once, after that, it remebers what you were doing when it's off, and
restores it completely when it is turned back on.  The keyboard is
completely natural.  I sat down and started typing with no problems at
all.

The "mouse" is unnatural, but you can get used to it.  It's small,
lightweight - very portable.  I'm currently in California with the
Stacy, and I was able to use the Stacy on the airplace for a few hours,
but it required that the seat next to me was vacant, because it's so
large.  The book has a 10 hour battery life per charge too...very nice.
 I won't be bored on an airplane ever with this!

The screen is just at good without a backlight as Stacy is with a
backlight.  It will work under many more lighting conditions.  Stacy is
uselss outdoors on overcast days unless you have polarized sunglasses
on.  ST-Book will be JUST FINE in those conditions.  The only bad
conditions for ST-BOOK will be near total darkness to total darkness.

I also had the impression the screen was more responsive.  I don't
think I "lost" the mouse as often with the BOOK as I do with the Stacy.

I didn't get a date for when it will be available to the public.  I
TRIED to, but nobody was talking.
1092.8ST Notebook available anytime soon?POWDML::STEILWed Apr 08 1992 20:506
    I could really use an ST notebook this summer.
    
    Anybody know if they might be available?
    
    Gil
    
1092.9Not quite yetPRNSYS::LOMICKAJJeffrey A. LomickaFri Apr 10 1992 03:092
The 1MB versions are available to some developers in limited quantities.
The 4MB versions haven't been made yet.  They are due any day now.
1092.10Twice an ST-Book for half the costPRNSYS::LOMICKAJJeffrey A. LomickaTue Aug 11 1992 20:1964
1092.11Sequencers on the Notebook ?EICMFG::BURKEJim Burke, @UFCWed Aug 12 1992 07:1316
    That's interesting about the Mac Notebooks. Also, the price you
    stateside folk get these machines for is great. Here in Europe, it must
    be about double the price. The specs of these Mac notebooks are indeed 
    impressive.
    
    Anyway, I have been checking out the notebooks for some time, and I'm
    still not sure what to go for: Mac, PC or Atari. 
    I'm keen on the Atari but only for one reason - sequencing. I have been
    using Notator for some years, and I would prefer to continue with it.
    Which leads me to the main question: Does anybody have any info on the
    status of dongled sequencers on the notebook ?
    
    I'm aware that Stacey had serious problems running these; and I'm also
    aware of the lack of an *external* cartridge port on the notebook.
    
    Jim
1092.12Okay for Midi tooPRNSYS::LOMICKAJJeffrey A. LomickaWed Aug 12 1992 14:0520
What was the problem with the Stacy?  It's electrically identical to a
1040, so the dongle approach should have been fine there.  (I'll sell
you mine, with a UK power cord if you want it, for a good price.)

As a programmer, I've found the Atari miserable to program for Midi. 
It turns out that the keyboard service routine spends too long at high
IPL, and the unbuffered Midi uart is easily overrun.  The Apple uarts
have 4-byte buffering, so it's harder to overrun.  I haven't tried
programming my own Midi on the Apple yet.

When I switched from Atari to MAC, I also switched from Tiger CUB to
EZ-Vision.  I immediately found that EZ-Vision is 100 times easier to
use and has much more interesting functions, for a very similar price. 
If this is indicitave of a trend, and combined with the difficulty of
programming Midi on the Atari, I would say that the Midi software for
the Mac is generally better than the Atari.

The difficult one is desktop publishing - I haven' tyet found the right
replacement for PageStream.  I suspect Aldus Personal Press may do it. 
Personal Press just recently became available.
1092.13Screen h/wEICMFG::BURKEJim Burke, @UFCSat Aug 15 1992 12:3716
    Jeff,
    
    	The sequencer problems (C-Lab's Notator I think) were admitted by
    Atari. As far as I remember, it was the screen h/w which affected
    (corrupted ?) the MIDI stream. One Stacey was sold to Courtney
    Pine in Glasgow, and he had problems on a session with Stevie
    Wonder, I heard. Apparently it also crashed in the middle of some Tokyo
    concert. He wasn't a happy man ! 
    
    As regards the keyboard service routines, I think that the decent
    sequencers implement their own. Mind you, I don't know how they get
    round the unbuffered UART servicing.
    
    
    Jim
    
1092.14Details on Stacy midi problemsPRNSYS::LOMICKAJJeffrey A. LomickaMon Aug 17 1992 15:5030
I have heard of both these problems, but I think only one of them is real:

My experience is that the screen hardware didn't actually corrupt the
Midi data itself, but that if you connect the Midi cables with the wrong
polarity, they can induce a fairly substantial audio-frequency noise
onto the synthesizer, which if the synthesizer doesn't go out of it's
way to prevent it, will creep into the audio signal.  I experience this
problem with the cables I made myself, but not with ones I bought at a
music store.  I'm not sure exactly how they are different (I never
bothered to ohm them out).  I don't know if this is what went wrong in
Tokyo or not, but I know it's what went wrong in my own lab.

Regarding the keyboard service - you can get around the single-buffer
uart IF you write your own service routine for both the keyboard and
the MIDI (they are tied to the same wire).  They run at the highest
interrupt level (except for modem controls and RS232, which you aren't
using, so it's okay), and you just make sure they finish in time, which
is not hard to do.)  The problem with this is that there is no
documented way to feed the keyboard data to GEM at a lower priority in
such a way as to make the mouse cursor work and the standard O/S calls
for keyboard and mouse events.  Also, since there is no way to
synthesize keyboard events to the O/S, it means you are left with the
problem of trying to figure out how to deliver keyboard and mouse events
to desk accessories and to the AES service that you wish to use (like
window moving and sliders).

This leaves you rewriting much of the ROMs, and with no forward
compatibilty to new machines.  I suspect this is fundamentally why there
are so few MIDI applications that work on TT's.  Ask John Miskinis if
you have any questions.  He's been down this path.
1092.15Some Tech. InfoAIDEV::MISKINISWed Aug 19 1992 18:0534
Hi,

	YES, I've been down this path...  It took me quite a while
	to figure out how to get 100% data accuracy when receiving
	MIDI data.

	What I did was rewrite the entire level 6 (MFP) interrupt
	handler, which IS NOT COMPATIBLE with TOS at all...  I
	can't use GEM either with my code.

	Bascially in the handler I have to poll all four UARTS, to
	see which one has the byte in it.  If it's MIDI, I place
	it in my 50K record buffer (unless it's a timing event
	such as synch, start, top, or continue).  If it's a mouse
	or keyboard event, I place it in a cyclic buffer (300 bytes
	long).  If it's a joystick event, I throw it away for now.

	All processing of the bytes is done in a "main loop" which
	works out OK for me.  The important thing is to just GET
	and SAVE the bytes in the interrupt servicing routine, and
	perform little or no "processing" of the data.

	I've been able to fil my drum machine with the maximum pattern
	(8 note ons, 8 notes offs) on 16th notes, and crank the
	tempoto the maximum (255bpm), and I won't lose a single
	byte.  Of course my realtime piano display takes a couple
	seconds to catch up when I stop the drum machine.  But the
	data is OK in the buffer...

For what it's worth,

_John_

	
1092.16PRNSYS::LOMICKAJJeffrey A. LomickaWed Aug 19 1992 19:254
Just an aside - the Macintosh PowerBook-100 (16Mhz 68000, 2MB RAM, 20MB
hard disk) is now going for $773.09 DEC discout price at ComputerTown,
and rumors are that CompUSA, before they ran out, sold some under $600.

1092.17ST Book Making A Comeback????TECRUS::ROSTRaymond Burr 1917-1993 R.I.P.Thu Sep 16 1993 12:4212
    Wow, talk about blasts from the past...
    
    Reports on the Internet of ST Books actually arriving in European
    shops. There is some argument over whether this is just new-old-stock
    or actually new production.  Also arguments over the configuration, is
    it 1 meg or 4 meg, how big a drive, etc. Apparently noone has actually
    bought one yet...one thing those who have seen it agree on is the price
    is too high!
    
    Also a report that Toad has listed them in their catalog again!
    
    							Brian
1092.18ASD::POWERSBill Powers ZKO3-2/S11Thu Sep 16 1993 18:287
Brian,

    Toad is still using their summer 1992 catalog they haven't printed up
a new one.  When they printed that catalog they had expected that atari
was going to sell notebooks in the US, but never did.

bp