Conference 7.286::atarist

    Hi,
    There's also a program called ATARIMGR that layers on MinT (V0.6 or
    higher). The ARC'd file is 450K. Are you familiar with it? If so, what 
    is the connection between the two?

  RE: .1

      Mgr is a windowning system like x windows (NOTE I said like not is).
  It offers a client server approach, but takes up much less room than X
  does.  Atarimgr is simply the atari port which uses mint in order to
  handle the multitasking that MGR requires.

  Bill Powers

    hi,
    
    RE 1004.1
    
    Have you got a pointer to ATARIMGR please?
    
    Thanks in advance
    
    
    Pat K.
    
    B.T.W. There is a nice accessory for mint BGACC, which from the GEM
    desktop allows you to run a background job, under MINT, and return to GEM.
    (IN my ATARI Stuff on NOTSO:disk$user:[keane.st])
    
    PJK

    hi,
    
    1. please,please can someone give me a pointer to ATARIMGR ?
    
    2. I'm using MINT06 on my 1040 ST with a MEGAFILE30 HD and TOS 1.0
       in ROM's. I installed mint.prg in my AUTO folder and
       starting gem.prg, starts gem and everything seems to be ok.
    
       But yesterday i've upgrated my TOS version to 1.4. Now here the
       problem:
      
          Whem I'm starting gem.prg alle directory are empty with 0 files.
          So what's the problem ? I'dont know what the problem is. I removed
          every accessory but the problem is still the same. 
    
    3. Is there someone out there with the MINT06 sources ???
    
    
      Thanx 
    
              Roland
                                                                 

RE .4

    I don't know for sure, but is gem.prg used to start gem programs from the
auto folder?  If so, it is not needed with tos 1.4, you can start I think it's
one gem program at startup.  Anyhow, you might want to recheck the mint
installation instructions again since you now have tos 1.4.  I believe they
were different for tos 1.0 and 1.4.

just a guess

Bill Powers

    hi,
    
    I have 1 Mg of memory and Tos 1.4. I put mint in the autofolder of the
    boot disk, and set the init.prg to be gem.prg. I have BG.acc in the
    root.
    It all works great!!! 
    
    I have NO trouble with the hard disk partitions at all. Mind you I have
    NO other programs in the auto folder apart from the C'T hard disk bios!
    
    Regards
    
    Pjk
     

    
    hi, Mint users
    
    > I have 1 Mg of memory and Tos 1.4. I put mint in the autofolder of the
    > boot disk, and set the init.prg to be gem.prg. I have BG.acc in the
    > root.
    > It all works great!!! 
    
     Pjk do you mean only rename gem.prg to init.prg and reboot the ST ?
    
    BTW. I have a copy of ATARIMGR is someone interested ?
    
     Roland
    

    
    Hi Roland
    
    re -1.
    
    Yes thats what I did. rename gem.prg --->init.prg
    
    Eric Smith has provided an accessory BGACC which is in
    Notso::dua1:[keane.st]*. This sits on the Gem desktop and allows you to
    run a background program.
    
    Have fun
    
    
    PJK.

    
    Hi it's me again,
    
    PJK. I renamed gem.prg -> init.prg but it's still the same. I decided to
    debug the gem.prg programm and thats whats happened:
    
     :
     :
    f_setdta:56a80
    f_fsfirst(C:\*.*,16)
    f_open(C:\\X,0)
    f_open:failed
    f_setdta:53c2a
    f_fsfirst(C:\*.*,10)
    malloc(-1)
    malloc(641402)                 <------- thats the problem not engough
    get_region: no region is big enough                           memory
    get_region: no region is big enough
    malloc failed
    d_setdrv(2)
    d_setpath(\)
    d_setdrv(2)
    d_setpath(\)
    
    Ok it seems to be a malloc bug what can I do ???? Maybe I have a wrong
    1.4 TOS Version ???
    
    Yesterday I installed ATARIMGR and I'm very impressed. Is there someone
    out there who has developed some programms for the ATARIMGR and what
    C-Compiler did he/she used ?
    
     Thats all for today hope that someone can help me.
    
      Roland
    

    
    Can someone place a note in this topic describing how one acquires the
    various programs that compose the MiNT computing environment?  Is there
    a central place where these things are kept?
    
    Thanks,
    
    Al...

    
    Hi Al,
    
    You can pull mint from:
    
    NOTSO::DISK$USER:[KEANE.ST]MINT06B.ZOO
    
    There is also BGACC.ARC  (a desk acc to run Backgroun jobs)
    
    There is also TESTMAN.ARC (this is really Atari MANAGER, the windowing 
    system to run under mint.)
    
    Be aware that TESTMAN.arc  will ONLY dearc under ARC602 !!!!!! (ARC602
    builds the correct directory sructures as the dearc progresses!
    
    so there is also ARC602ST.ARC  in my directory as well!
    
    Have fun over Christmas !
    
    Pat K.

    pat,
    when you say it "replaces the atari windowing system", what do you
    mean?  do you mean the desktop "program" or the aes/vdi routines?
    or should i just copy the bumpf and figure it out myself?
    
    how much doc is in the files you mention?  is there source code?
    
    			ta -- dd

    Hi Doug,
    
    Sorry for the hiatus, I have been banned from computers over
    Christmas!
    
    I have been playing with MINT and MANAGER and trying to get some ideas
    on what happens.
    
    AS far as I can see, MINT sits in the ST and replaces some parts of
    TOS. It provides an enviroment whereby multiple programs can run, in
    background and forground mode, the limitations being memory size and
    speed, with a couple of jobs running, it does get a bit slow. You can
    even run the GEM desktop as one of the jobs, however Gem takes over all
    the screen, so you cant do much else when GEM is running.
    
    Manager however is a terminal windowing application that needs MINT to
    run, AS it is possible to create multiple windows and runn applications
    in each window. 
    
    There is a most impressive start screen to the MANAGER program, after
    you start, you are presented with a blank desktop, apart from a mouse
    arrow. Clicking on the mouse causes a pop-up menu to appear, allowing
    you to create multi windows. Dragging the window box alters its size
    and shape, and clicking on it brings it to the front. In each box is a
    CLI prompt, (This is generated from a command shell that also has to
    been present, I am using the PD ST UN*X shell, but it aint very good.)
    
    I have yet to find out how to obtain and position ICONS on the desk
    top. I have a library of ICONS and a BROWSE program, but I am having
    great problems with the MGR.rc to point BROWSE at the correct
    directory.
    
    I have managed to run LOGISTIX, (a non gem spreadsheet I bought), in a
    window, under MANAGER, using MINT, but I run out of memory when I try
    to put data in the spreadsheet.
    
    To be honest, unless you have 4 MBYtes and a 68030, I dont think that
    there is a real practical use for this enviroment, but its great fun
    getting it to work!
     
    However I would appreciate any advice from anyone, who knows how to 
    display and use ICONS on the MANAGER desktop, (if that is possible).
    
    Wish you and all the ATARIANS a happy and prosperous New Year!
    
    Pat K.
    

    ok, pat, hi
    
    i did some more experimenting (i've got 4Mb in a 1040) and i did
    finally get mgr to run, as you did.  when i run the shell supplied
    with mint in a window, it works ok (except the shell is so minimal).
    when i run gulam in the window, very funny things happen (like a
    line feed after ever character entered, and funny characters
    substituted for spaces.)
    
    i'm at approximately the same point you are.  i can't figure out
    how to point the environment variables at the right directories.
    i also thought i could fix gulams problem by judicious use of the
    TERM variable, but went around and around on that one.  
    
    meanwhile, i've given up on it.  the way i figure: if it's any good,
    lots of university types will be hacking at it and save me the trouble.
    if it's no good, we'll never hear another word about it, and i will
    have saved myself the trouble as well.  what an attitude!  but i
    have got other things to do (i'm writing my first atari game!).
    
    		--dd

    <<< Note 1004.15 by EIGER::MENA                 >>>
                             -< Where's that stuff ? >-
    
    Hi Pat !
    
    I tried to pull these files (see Note 1004.11) from "notso::". 
    But as I tried, I saw, that your machine isn't a VMS-machine anymore -
    there's Ultrix running.
    
    Could you please tell, where I can find these files :
    
    		- MINT06B.ZOO
    		- BGACC.ARC
    		- TESTMAN.ARC
    		- ARC602.ARC
    
    Thanx a lot in advance !!!        Miguelito

    
    hi miguelito,
    
    look at last reply in topic 9!
    
    have fun!
    
    Pat K

    hi,
    	NOTSO:: has gone ultrix again ,not vms. I am after mint06b.zoo.
    
    	I want this becuse I have a version of MGR running under Minix
    (U**X clone). I hav encountered one small but when I cut out text and
    paste it back into another window running an editor (emacs)  I find
    that only part of the window I cut copies over. I am trying to
    establish wheter this is a fault in the port to Minix or a fault in the
    original port.
    
    BTW umich.edu has mint08b.zoo and updated mgr.zoo executable
    Yeah, I know I could pull it but my fingers get slapped by some people
    aout wasting resources!.
    Jim
    P.S. I could get it if theres enough but I would rather someone got it
    more efficently!
    

    Well I tried Minit 0.8 with mgr windows. I the following
    Mint.PRG in AUTO folder
    INIT.PRG in a:
    MGR.prg in a: with mgr.rc (see below for Mgr.rc contents)
    when I booted up I got
    %
    so I typed mgr and return
    This opened a window and gave me %
    I then started the gulam shell.
    clicked the mouse outside the window and selected new window.
    made then new window by sweeping the mouse which was now very springy.
    The % prompt was given and I was able to start gulam shell.
    
    This means I had multi-tasking windows!!. dir ran in both windows.
    
    by typing "setenv MGRICON A:\icon\" to the % prompt I wasable to run
    the icon browse program properly.
    
    My MGR.RC file contained
    font 2 cour6x12
    window -1 -1 80c 24c 2
    shell init.prg
    window -1 -1 -1 -1 2
    newwindow
    done
    
    The commands are explained in mgr.1 the man page and in user.out the
    printable manual.
    
    Seems great to me!.
    Even the cut and paste works so I am going to try and fix the minix
    version now!.
    
    Jim
    

    
    hi there
    
    has someone got a copy of mgr available out there, if yes where ?
    
    thanx
    miguel