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Conference 7.286::atarist

Title:Atari ST, TT, & Falcon
Notice:Please read note 1.0 and its replies before posting!
Moderator:FUNYET::ANDERSON
Created:Mon Apr 04 1988
Last Modified:Tue May 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1433
Total number of notes:10312

926.0. "Help on Enet Files" by CHIRPA::SANZONE () Mon Jul 23 1990 15:11

    I've glanced through the notes file and found multiple notes
    
    discussing Kermit, Ckermit, Whack and Stransf and using them
    
    to load files to the Attari. Could someone tell me which of these
    
    is best (or what the trade-offs are) and how one gets the intial
    
    copy for there attari ?
    
    
    						Thanks
    
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926.1WhackPRNSYS::LOMICKAJJeffrey A. LomickaTue Jul 24 1990 15:3952
For connection to VMS Whack/SSU/Strasnf is best because:
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- You can still use the VAX in another window while the transfer is in
progress.  (Read notes while transferring!)

- It clears over 200 bytes/second data transfer rate on a 2400 baud
modem, much higher than any of the others.  By changing some timing
parameters (see topic 3) it can go equivalently fast on faster modems
or direct connections.  (I frequently use it a 19,200 between my
workstation and Stacy.)  This is due to the ability to use the credit
based flow control of VAX/SSU, and therefore it doesn't need to receive
any handshaking messages, unless there are data errors.

- It's specially designed for use on VAX/VMS, and therefore takes
advantage of the VMS terminal driver features and VAX/SSU to the
fullest extent.

- No separate mode for text/binary files.

- Multi-window/Multi-session, like a workstation.

- The terminal emulator uses the mouse in the same way as DECwindows and
VWS, so DEC applications that use the workstation mouse also work with
Whack (Such as TPU, VAX Emacs, MicroEMACS).

- The terminal keyboard supports the full compose sequence set of ISO
Latin 1, and display's the full set in several font sizes.

- Printer controller mode can be send to printer or captured to file.

- I wrote it.

The main disadvantages of Whack/Stransf are:
--------------------------------------------

- The current version of STRANSF creates and accepts files as VAR 510,
rather than STREAM_LF.  This is the same as Kermit's file type BIN.  If
anyone wants to fix STRANSF, the sources are readily available.  You
need the CVTARC program to make binary uploads usable by VMS ARC and ZOO.

- No separate text mode means that you also might have to "CVTARC U"
text files before using them on VMS.

- The terminal emulator doesn't do blink, bold, underline, double width,
or double height character attributes.

- Written documetation is sparse.

- No scripting capabilty, other than to send files as if typed.

- I wrote it.
926.2As I see it...SKIVT::HEARNTime will tell...Tue Jul 24 1990 18:0125
    
    
    
    
    
     
    
      Kermit (as in Uniterm) has the advantage of "being the same" (to my
    knowledge) on a large number of different operating systems.  I've
    found that once you "get the hang of it" - the different variations
    aren't a problem to wiork with.
      It can handle BINary or ASCii (text) files.
      Gives you plenty of options for uploading/downloading (remote commands,
    local commands, set directory)
      DISadvantage:   S L O W - compared to some others, but it is reliable
    and, currently, the one I'm most familiar with.
    
      CKermit - based on OS9 (if I remember what I saw last night in the
    Documentation) meant to be a "minimal implimentation" of Kermit to
    be use on the AtariST - sorry, that's all I know of it at this point
    
    						Hope it helps
    
    							Rich
    
926.3CkermitNORGE::CHADTue Jul 24 1990 21:109
Actually, Ckermit is the kermit today.  It is a version of Kermit written
in C that is supposed to be portable.  It supports large packets sizes and
everything else.  On VMS the old KERMIT-32 is no longer what you want.
Ckermit is to my understanding what is being devloped and supported today
by whoever does kermit.

I got my info and copy from the IBM PC conference folks

Chad
926.4JOVE::reillyMichael ReillyFri Jul 27 1990 00:527
Just to plug another protocol - YMODEM give me 225-230 bytes per second at
2400 baud.  I'm told ZMODEM does better.

Given that SSU is very VAX/VMS specific (DEC doesn't even have an Ultrix
version) it's usefulness is limited when transfering files to/from BBS's or
public access systems.

926.5UKCSSE::RDAVIESLive long and prosperTue Jul 31 1990 09:2710
    Even if you have a modem, getting started is like the chicken and egg,
    you need the program in order to transfer files, you can't copy down
    the program until you have it....
    
    Best is to get some kind soul to give you a disk with the file on it.
    This was my intro.
    
    State where you are, maybe someone will own up to being near you.
    
    Richard
926.6But my disk is blankCHIRPA::SANZONEFri Aug 03 1990 13:546
    Could someone provide me with a copy of Ckermit. From what I've read
    
    I should be able to get what I need with that. I'm working out of
    
    BXB2.
    
926.7check in NUTELA:: for CKERMIT.EXENORGE::CHADFri Aug 03 1990 15:574
the only Ckermit I know of is VMS (there are probably MSDOS versions too).  Get
CKERMIT on your VMS machine and UNITERM on the ST and you'll be all set.

Chad