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Conference 7.286::atarist

Title:Atari ST, TT, & Falcon
Notice:Please read note 1.0 and its replies before posting!
Moderator:FUNYET::ANDERSON
Created:Mon Apr 04 1988
Last Modified:Tue May 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1433
Total number of notes:10312

747.0. "High Density floppies" by KADOR::HANNA (Mmmmm Yes) Wed Jan 24 1990 13:32

I went shopping for more storage the other day and came across some new
disks that were marked (2HD - High Density) with larger capacity than
the regular 2DD - Double Density.

Will the ST drive be able to format and use these HD disks ?

Zayed
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747.1You can't use 2HD disks on the STOLDTMR::WALLACEWed Jan 24 1990 14:419
Nope.

The ST will actualy format 2HD disks (at least it claims it does) but only at
the old 720kb size. The BIG problem is that once you start using the disks
(copying files to and from) they quickly become corrupted (at least the one I
tried). I assume they must require a stronger magnetic flux to
properly/permanently write to them.

	Ray
747.2Dont use them!UKCSSE::KEANEFri Jan 26 1990 09:3014
    
    Hi,
    
    I would concur with Ray, using the "Quad "density 1.2 MB IBMstyle high
    density disks is DANGEROUS (Datawise), I also lost data trying to use
    these disks. I believe the oxide formulation is so different, grain
    size, permittivity, etc, that the normal drives in the ST range, cannot
    cope with the disks reliably.
    
    Why use them, (unless they fell into your hand), they are much more
    expensive to buy !
    Cheers
    
    Pat K.
747.3ST can use HD-DisksHAM::LITSCHJens SchmidtTue Jan 30 1990 10:2716
747.4DS disks used as HDSVCRUS::ADAMSbeam me upFri Feb 09 1990 18:3810
    Recently I went to a computer show in Boxboro where one of the
    attractions was a device that "cut" a hole in a standard 3 1/2"
    floppy so that it could be used as a HD floppy. Some of the people
    that I talked to there had one and used it all the time. They did
    not seem to notice any degradation of quality.
     I usually but my floppies in bulk and the last order that I received
    had 50 of the HD floppies at the same price. I have been using them
    for about 3 weeks so far and have not had any problems. Mabey there
    will be trouble with long term storage. Anyway I will give them
    a rigorous workout this weekend and see if they fail.
747.5win some lose some!UKCSSE::KEANEMon Feb 12 1990 09:4111
    
    Hi,
    
    I think its very much of a case of mix and match. Some floppies give
    high output, others low, combined witht the quality of the read amps
    and data separators in your floppy drive, may or may not work!
    
    I know my Citizen Floppy drive dies on all the HD disks I have fed it!
    
    Cheers
    Pat K.
747.6How do you get 2 pints in a pint pot, you dont.JOCKEY::CHANDLERCbut fools are so ingeniousTue Feb 13 1990 13:5724
    
    HD media has a higher coercivity than "normal" media.
    
    This media requires the higher write current used in the HD drives.
    
    The problem is that the low density drive does not have this high
    write current so cannot record on the HD media.
    
    The even bigger problem is that the HD drive can record on the low
    density media.
    
    The problem is that it records with too high a write current, and
    the media being low coercivity records whacking great magnets.....
    
    and being low coercivity the magnets eventualy erase one another,
    or attract one another, either way this destroys your data, it just
    takes a little time......

    so be warned dont use "normal" media for that valuable backup in
    your HD drive.
    
    Best of luck Chris Chandler.
    
    
747.7So far so goodSVCRUS::ADAMSbeam me upWed Apr 18 1990 20:158
    I have been using the HD disks that I mentioned last Feb as scratch
    disks for transferring files and temporary storage quite a bit.
    I have not had any problems yet. I had put a few things on them
    last Feb and tried them this week and so far they still read. 
    so for short term stuff they worked fine for me as for long term
    mabey it will take a little longer to tell.
    						BA