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Conference 7.286::atarist

Title:Atari ST, TT, & Falcon
Notice:Please read note 1.0 and its replies before posting!
Moderator:FUNYET::ANDERSON
Created:Mon Apr 04 1988
Last Modified:Tue May 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1433
Total number of notes:10312

663.0. "RGB --> Video converter" by SMOOT::ROTH (All you can do is all you can do!) Thu Nov 09 1989 13:43

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        ELECTRO_HOBBY
        VIDEO
        ATARIST
        IBMPC


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The December, 1989 Issue of Radio-Electronics magazine (available  in the
US)  has  a  construction article on building an RGB  to  NTSC  (or  PAL)
converter.

The project was specifically built for an ATARI ST computer  but also has
details (on how to invert the sync signals) when connecting to an IBM CGA
circuit.

The  project  is  based  around the Motorola MC1377 RGB to NTSC converter
chip.

The parts list in the article contains the following note:

        The following items  are  available  from  RGB, 32 Wilson
        Ave., Trumbull, CT, 06611.   Phone (203)374-7634, leave a
        message  if  no  answer.    Complete  kit  of  all  parts
        including Atari video connector, $29.95;   PC Board only,
        $10.00.    All  orders  add $2.50 postage  and  handling.
        Connecticut please include sales tax.


A key comment from the article text:

  "...   and  is  easy  to  tune  using  only  a  color  TV and a
  voltmeter.  The circuit was specifically designed for the Atari
  ST, but it could  be  used  with  any  computer  that  delivers
  standard RGB Video.  Also  the  circuit  could  be  adapted  to
  RGB-to-PAL operation for use with European PC's."

Nothing  much   is  really  mentioned  about  PAL  operation  other  than
substituting the 3.58  Mhz xtal (NTSC operation) for a 4.43 Mhz xtal (PAL
operation).

The only 'unusual' parts  (other  than specific connectors for the Atari)
are a TDK-brand delay line and a TOKO-brand bandpass transformer.

Note that the converter does  not  contain an RF modulator, therefore you
will have to 'roll your own'  or use one that comes with a TV Video game.
The project suggests that the output of the converter be a RCA plug which
is typical input connector scheme on most RF modulators.

Lee Roth
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663.1PAL version was in c'tHAM::LITSCHFri Nov 10 1989 11:2320
    About a year ago I saw a similar project in the German magazine c't. I
    actually built that for my ST, and it works. But I do have some
    comments:
    	- The c't version does neither contain the delay line nor the
    transformer, it just contains standard parts. I built it onto a
    prototype board.
    	- The output is PAL, but can be changed to NTSC; the Motorola chip
    used is the same one.
    	- One of the two pots in my device has to be set VERY exactly, or
    the colors won't show, will be wrong (brown instead of green, etc.), or
    there is a moire. I don't know whether this is caused by using PAL or
    by the simpler design.
    	- It was easy to convert it from analog RGB to digital RGB for a
    friend owning an IBM clone with CGA.
    
    If anyone builds both versions and can compare them, or gets better
    results, please reply to this conference.
    
    Don't forget to have fun!
    		Jens
663.2RGB -> composite videoMRSVAX::MISKINISMon Nov 13 1989 13:069
    Hello,
    
    	SO if I buy the kit for $30, I can produce composite video?
     Does anyone know how this compares to the "video key" that sells
    for roughtly $119?
    
    Tryin' to save another buck,
    
    _John_
663.3DUGGAN::WEAVERLaboratory Data Products/ScienceWed Nov 15 1989 00:198
    VideoKey is considerably cheaper than $119.  $69 I think is the going
    market rate.  VideoKey works extremely well, just one adjustment to
    make on a pot through a hole in the plastic to fine tune.  If someone
    wants to bring a TV to the next NaVAUS meeting, and an ST of some kind,
    I will let you try it (provided I can find the time to make it to the
    meeting).
    
    						-Dave
663.4ClarificationSMOOT::ROTHAll you can do is all you can do!Wed Nov 15 1989 00:2122
Yes, it produces composite video.

The modulator is merely a very low power TV transmitter to turn the
composite video into a RF (radio frequency) signal.

If your TV set already has a video input jack then all you need is the
project in the basenote. Or you could hook it right into your video input
jack on your VCR. (Your VCR has a modulator built right in.) Note that a
'video jack' is going to be an 'RCA' a.k.a 'phono' type plug (well, 99%
of them use RCA jacks...)

If you don't have a VCR or your TV set doesn't have a video input jack
then you need a modulator. These can (usually) be had for less than $5.
The kind of modulator that comes with an Atari 2600 game system, for
example, is exactly what you need. Mail order places often have them very
cheap.

The modulator will connect to the 'Antenna Input'. These will either
be two screws (for 300 ohm flat cable) or an 'F' connector (threaded
connector for 75 ohm coax cable).

Lee
663.5I didn't realize it came down in price!MRSVAX::MISKINISWed Nov 15 1989 12:096
    WOW, $69!  I remember seeing it for almost teice as much a year
    or so ago...
    
    Sounds like the "video key" is the way to go...
    
    _John_
663.6Composite connectionsCHEFS::GOSSADON'T PANIC!!..Drink more tea!Thu Nov 16 1989 09:1010
    Hi,
    	Can someone tell me the conections I need to make to the 13
    pin Din monitor lead to connect it to a composite video monitor.
    Yes my ATARI does have composite output! The monitor has 75ohm sockets
    I think? Also the connections for Audio out.
    
    	- Andrew -
    
    P.S.	Can someone explain what the Audio in and general purpose
    pins are for???
663.7composite video ?MGOI02::FALKENSTEINFri Nov 17 1989 06:2216
    
    As far as I know the composite output of the 13-pin Atari connector
    is composite sync, a mixture of horizontal and vertical sync. No
    composite video. You can make a monochrome video signal with some
    resistors and a transistor out of Red, Green, Blue and composite
    sync to drive a standart monochrome monitor with video input.
    For a color video signal to feed in a VCR or TV you need the before
    mentioned device. I look up the schematic for the monochrome video
    for you, if you like.
    If you connect a audio source to the Audio-in pin of the monitor
    connector, this signal will be mixed internally with the audio the 
    Atari produces (in Yamaha's sound chip) and then they are together
    driving the monitor's speaker.
    
    Bernd
     
663.8< Composite Video !HAM::LITSCHFri Nov 17 1989 10:1220
    Opposite to the previous reply some STs DO have composite video (I
    think, those with the FM suffix, like 520STFM [F=Floppy,M=video
    Modulator]). If this is true in your case, connect pins 2 (composite
    video) and 13 (ground) to your monitor. If you get a black picture
    only, your ST lacks composite video and has composite sync only.
    
    To answer the last question: The General Purpose Output (GPO) is just what
    its name says: for general purpose. It is a TTL compatible output
    signal, that can be switched on and off by using the XBIOS functions
    ongibit() and offgibit().
    
    Warning: Most docs have these routines wrong. The parameter is NOT a
    bit number, but a bit mask. For C programmers, to switch bit BITNO:
    
    	#define BITNO	/* whatever_you_need, from 0 to 7, look into any
    			   hardware description for the ST */
    	#define SWITCH_ON	ongibit(1<<(BITNO))
    	#define SWITCH_OFF	offgibit(~(1<<(BITNO)))
    
    Have fun, Jens
663.9Try Elector ElectronicSTKHLM::OBERGThe galaxy rider.Fri Jan 26 1990 12:0111
	Hello.
	I just get the last number of a electronic magazine,
	named 'Allt om elektronik', and this is a Swedish
	version of the English magazine 'Elector Electronic'.
	They have a description of a converter from RGB to
	PAL composite video. And it made for computers like 
	ATARI. They have description how to wire it up to
	ATARI-ST.

		Anders

663.10jag vill har kopiaBHAJEE::SURAUFI love Packet RadioSat Jan 27 1990 19:126
    Hej pa dej anders,
    kan du skickar mej ett kopia av detta.
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