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Conference 7.286::atarist

Title:Atari ST, TT, & Falcon
Notice:Please read note 1.0 and its replies before posting!
Moderator:FUNYET::ANDERSON
Created:Mon Apr 04 1988
Last Modified:Tue May 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1433
Total number of notes:10312

556.0. "Mac/Amiga Fonts ==> GDOS format" by CADSYS::DALTON (Cereal Killer.) Wed Aug 02 1989 16:30

    
    I was reading a review of Fontz recently and noted that it has the
    ability to convert mac/amiga fonts to GDOS format. Has anyone
    done/tried this? (If so, are you willing to share? :^) )
    
    The reviewer said there were a large number of pd fonts available
    for the mac, Is this true (you Spectre/Sac/Alladin users should know)?
    and if so, are they available via the Net?
    
    I'd be willing to get Fontz specifically for its conversion capability
    if this were the case...
    
    Kent
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556.1lots of Macintosh fonts on 'the Net'REGENT::LOMICKARoy LomickaWed Aug 02 1989 21:33111
You have to do the usual binhex and stuffit procedure on a Macintosh (or 
on a Macintosh emulator on the ST, I suppose) to extract the data from 
these files. 

$ dir rt95::mac$fonts:
RT95::MAC$ROOT:[FONTS]10_HI-TECH_FONTS.STUFFIT;1
                             111  11-FEB-1988 20:56:10.00  (RWE,RWED,,R)
RT95::MAC$ROOT:[FONTS]ADOBE_AVANT_GARDE_SCREEN_FONTS.PACKIT;1
                             192  14-OCT-1988 22:01:49.00  (RWE,RWED,,R)
RT95::MAC$ROOT:[FONTS]ADOBE_COURIER_FONT_10-87_VERSION.STUFFIT;1
                             135  17-JAN-1988 12:25:54.00  (RWE,RWED,,R)
RT95::MAC$ROOT:[FONTS]ADOBE_COURIER_SCREEN_FONTS.PACKIT;1
                             135  15-OCT-1988 17:34:43.00  (RWE,RWED,,R)
RT95::MAC$ROOT:[FONTS]ADOBE_HELVETICA_FONT_10-87_VERSION.STUFFIT;1
                             192  17-JAN-1988 13:05:55.00  (RWE,RWED,,R)
RT95::MAC$ROOT:[FONTS]ADOBE_HELVETICA_SCREEN_FONTS.PACKIT;1
                             192  15-OCT-1988 19:11:41.00  (RWE,RWED,,R)
RT95::MAC$ROOT:[FONTS]ADOBE_LUBALIN_SCREEN_FONTS.STUFFIT;1
                             171  14-OCT-1988 21:50:16.00  (RWE,RWED,,R)
RT95::MAC$ROOT:[FONTS]ADOBE_NEW_CENTURY_FONT_10-87_VERSION.STUFFIT;1
                             162  17-JAN-1988 12:51:40.00  (RWE,RWED,,R)
RT95::MAC$ROOT:[FONTS]ADOBE_NEW_CENTURY_SCREEN_FONTS.PACKIT;1
                             171  21-OCT-1988 19:16:34.00  (RWE,RWED,,R)
RT95::MAC$ROOT:[FONTS]ADOBE_PALATINO_FONT_10-87_VERSION.STUFFIT;1
                             153  17-JAN-1988 12:40:04.00  (RWE,RWED,,R)
RT95::MAC$ROOT:[FONTS]ADOBE_SOUVENIR_SCREEN_FONTS.PACKIT;1
                             168  14-OCT-1988 21:37:01.00  (RWE,RWED,,R)
RT95::MAC$ROOT:[FONTS]ADOBE_STENCIL_FONT.BINARY;1
                              42  29-APR-1988 18:19:14.00  (RWE,RWED,,R)
RT95::MAC$ROOT:[FONTS]ADOBE_SYMBOLS_SCREEN_FONTS.PACKIT;1
                              33  15-OCT-1988 17:32:08.00  (RWE,RWED,,R)
RT95::MAC$ROOT:[FONTS]ADOBE_TIMES_FONT_10-87_VERSION.STUFFIT;1
                             159  17-JAN-1988 13:20:43.00  (RWE,RWED,,R)
RT95::MAC$ROOT:[FONTS]ADOBE_TIMES_SCREEN_FONTS.PACKIT;1
                             159  15-OCT-1988 17:21:47.00  (RWE,RWED,,R)
RT95::MAC$ROOT:[FONTS]ALDERNEY_FONT.STUFFIT;1
                             234  16-FEB-1988 18:51:27.00  (RWE,RWED,,R)
RT95::MAC$ROOT:[FONTS]ALISON-SCRIPT_LASER_FONT.STUFFIT;1
                              72   2-SEP-1988 21:35:09.00  (RWE,RWED,,R)
RT95::MAC$ROOT:[FONTS]APPLE_OUTLINE_FONTS_STACK.STUFFIT;1
                             801  20-MAY-1989 21:58:05.00  (RWE,RWED,,R)
RT95::MAC$ROOT:[FONTS]ASCII-18_FONT.BINARY;1
                              30  20-JUL-1987 23:04:43.00  (RWE,RWED,,R)
RT95::MAC$ROOT:[FONTS]ATLANTIC_CITY_GAMBLING_FONT.PACKIT;1
                              39  18-APR-1988 19:03:50.00  (RWE,RWED,,R)
RT95::MAC$ROOT:[FONTS]BILLS_DINGBATS_LASER_FONT.STUFFIT;1
                              87   8-MAR-1989 20:30:40.00  (RWE,RWED,,R)
RT95::MAC$ROOT:[FONTS]BOSTON_I_AND_II_FONTS.PACKIT;1
                             129  25-OCT-1986 01:41:22.00  (RWE,RWED,,R)
RT95::MAC$ROOT:[FONTS]CLAIRVAUX_III_FONT.STUFFIT;1
                             273  23-JUL-1988 00:50:01.00  (RWE,RWED,,R)
RT95::MAC$ROOT:[FONTS]CLASSICA_HEAVY-LASERWRITER_FONT.STUFFIT;1
                              57  16-AUG-1988 21:50:33.00  (RWE,RWED,,R)
RT95::MAC$ROOT:[FONTS]CLASSICA_ITALIC-LASERWRITER_FONT.STUFFIT;1
                              51  16-AUG-1988 21:54:13.00  (RWE,RWED,,R)
RT95::MAC$ROOT:[FONTS]CLASSICA_ROMAN-LASERWRITER_FONT.STUFFIT;1
                              51  16-AUG-1988 21:57:41.00  (RWE,RWED,,R)
RT95::MAC$ROOT:[FONTS]COCACOLA-LASER_FONT.STUFFIT;1
                              30  15-FEB-1989 19:49:41.00  (RWE,RWED,,R)
RT95::MAC$ROOT:[FONTS]CODE_39-POSTSCRIPT_BAR_CODE_FONT_V2.STUFFIT;1
                              36  27-SEP-1988 22:50:07.00  (RWE,RWED,,R)
RT95::MAC$ROOT:[FONTS]COLUMBIA_FONT.STUFFIT;1
                             240  27-JUL-1988 19:30:32.00  (RWE,RWED,,R)
RT95::MAC$ROOT:[FONTS]DAFONT_V3_1.BINARY;1
                              57  15-SEP-1988 19:09:52.00  (RWE,RWED,,R)
RT95::MAC$ROOT:[FONTS]DALI_FONT.STUFFIT;1
                              51   2-SEP-1988 21:23:48.00  (RWE,RWED,,R)
RT95::MAC$ROOT:[FONTS]DIGITAL_LOGO_FONT_UPDATE.STUFFIT;1
                              45  13-MAR-1989 18:27:07.00  (RWE,RWED,,R)
RT95::MAC$ROOT:[FONTS]ELECTRONICS_AND_DRAFTING_FONT.PACKIT;1
                             246  12-OCT-1987 00:42:14.00  (RWE,RWED,,R)
RT95::MAC$ROOT:[FONTS]FLINT_LASERWRITER_FONT.STUFFIT;1
                              81  28-AUG-1988 12:54:47.00  (RWE,RWED,,R)
RT95::MAC$ROOT:[FONTS]FONTMASTER_88-FONT_EDITOR.STUFFIT;1
                             129  15-APR-1988 00:18:18.00  (RWE,RWED,,R)
RT95::MAC$ROOT:[FONTS]FONTSY.STUFFIT;1
                              78   9-AUG-1988 19:08:53.00  (RWE,RWED,,R)
RT95::MAC$ROOT:[FONTS]FONT_DISPLAY_V5_4_4A.STUFFIT;1
                             285  12-JUL-1989 21:07:41.00  (RWE,RWED,,R)
RT95::MAC$ROOT:[FONTS]FONT_FINDER_V3_0B0.STUFFIT;1
                             144   2-SEP-1988 21:54:25.00  (RWE,RWED,,R)
RT95::MAC$ROOT:[FONTS]FONT_INFO_AND_MGMT_DAS.STUFFIT;1
                             192  24-JUN-1989 22:02:36.00  (RWE,RWED,,R)
RT95::MAC$ROOT:[FONTS]FONT_WIZARD.STUFFIT;1
                              72   4-FEB-1989 13:55:43.00  (RWE,RWED,,R)
RT95::MAC$ROOT:[FONTS]IBM_BBS_GRAPHICS_FONT.STUFFIT;1
                               9  19-MAY-1988 19:51:50.00  (RWE,RWED,,R)
RT95::MAC$ROOT:[FONTS]MAC_II_COLOR_FONTS_DEMO.STUFFIT;1
                             126   7-DEC-1987 21:10:03.00  (RWE,RWED,,R)
RT95::MAC$ROOT:[FONTS]NEON_24_FONT.PACKIT;1
                              15   6-AUG-1987 18:18:20.00  (RWE,RWED,,R)
RT95::MAC$ROOT:[FONTS]N_FONT_UTILITY_V1_01.STUFFIT;1
                              66   5-NOV-1988 22:38:30.00  (RWE,RWED,,R)
RT95::MAC$ROOT:[FONTS]OR_FONTS.STUFFIT;1
                              54  18-DEC-1988 17:52:05.00  (RWE,RWED,,R)
RT95::MAC$ROOT:[FONTS]PALENCIA_FONT_V2_3.STUFFIT;1
                             285  24-JAN-1988 13:54:55.00  (RWE,RWED,,R)
RT95::MAC$ROOT:[FONTS]PENSACOLA_FONT.STUFFIT;1
                              30  28-JAN-1989 21:12:38.00  (RWE,RWED,,R)
RT95::MAC$ROOT:[FONTS]PRISMA_LASER_FONT.STUFFIT;1
                              48  14-MAY-1989 20:39:10.00  (RWE,RWED,,R)
RT95::MAC$ROOT:[FONTS]PROGRAMMERS_FONT.BINARY;1
                              57  23-APR-1988 16:41:43.00  (RWE,RWED,,R)
RT95::MAC$ROOT:[FONTS]STYMIE_LASER_FONT.STUFFIT;1
                              54  14-MAY-1989 20:41:18.00  (RWE,RWED,,R)
RT95::MAC$ROOT:[FONTS]VARITYPE_FONTMASTER_DA_V1_2.STUFFIT;1
                             204  25-MAR-1989 16:38:31.00  (RWE,RWED,,R)
RT95::MAC$ROOT:[FONTS]YORK_FONT.STUFFIT;1
                             336  29-JUL-1988 20:13:38.00  (RWE,RWED,,R)

Total of 52 files, 6969 blocks.
556.2Is there any other way?UKCSSE::KEANEThu Aug 03 1989 06:519
    hi jeff
    
    I suppose stuffit is the mac equiv of Arc??, Is there any simple way of
    reducing these files to a binary with a vms or St utility ?
    
    Pat_WHO_HASNT_GOT_A MAC,
    
      (this seems to be the new fashion in signoffs)
    
556.3There are two of usPRNSYS::LOMICKAJJeff LomickaThu Aug 03 1989 13:322
I'm Jeff.  The author of .1 was Roy.

556.4Maybe a Good Apple (user) could help, too.CADSYS::DALTONCereal Killer.Thu Aug 03 1989 14:0113
    
    Re: .2
    
    Maybe if there's no equivalent of stuffit/etc. on the ST or VMS,
    some kind person who has a mac emulator or a mac could unstuff 'em
    and make them available to us (us being the atari STer's w/ GDOS)...
    So we could convert them to GDOS format? I don't have any mac access
    either...
    
    Re: .1 thanks for the listing, Roy.
    
    Kent 
    
556.5Did anybody say Macintosh?IOWAIT::MESSENGEREnough of this stuff, Spuds!Thu Aug 03 1989 18:564
    I have a Mac 2048Ke and two flavors of Mac emulators (Magic Sac and
    Spectre 128)... and -- I even have Fontz! I've never tried any of this, 
    but I'm willing to try, if you're interested.
    					- hbm
556.6Can I help with the work!UKCSSE::KEANEFri Aug 04 1989 07:0916
    
    Hi,
    
    I would be very grateful if you could have a go,
    
    Unfortunately, I would think that there is an awful lot of work
    involved in converting these fonts. I have a Font editor too,
    Font-Plus, so I would like to share the conversion load. 
    
    If you could destuff or whatever you call it from the MAc format. and
    rearc the mac fonts, I will pull a few over the net and see how I get
    on doing the conversions!
    
    If you agree give me a mail, 
    
    Pat Keane.
556.7The software does most of it, right?CADSYS::DALTONCereal Killer.Fri Aug 04 1989 13:3510
    
    I willing to help too (I'll have to get Fontz first though)! It might not
    be too much work, depending on whether the mac has bit mapped or scalable
    fonts. If they're bit mapped there will already be a bunch of different
    point sizes created and they'll just have to be moved to the GDOS
    format (is this right?). If they have to be scaled there will be lots
    of touch up work required!
      
    Kent
    
556.8IOWAIT::MESSENGEREnough of this stuff, Spuds!Fri Aug 04 1989 16:1314
    Re: .6
    
>    If you could destuff or whatever you call it from the MAc format. and
>    rearc the mac fonts, I will pull a few over the net and see how I get
>    on doing the conversions!
    
    The Mac world is stranger than you think; their files have a
    complicated internal structure... this can be like block-copying an
    RMS indexed file to an Ultrix system and expecting to be able to read
    it. I'm going to have to do quite a bit of experimentation before I get
    a process that can actually _do_ this (move a font file from Mac-land
    to ST-land and have Fontz! understand it).
    					- hbm
    
556.9LEDS::ACCIARDIFri Aug 04 1989 21:2637
    
    I've got a few dozen or so Amiga bit-mapped fonts that I'd be willing
    to place in ARC format (the ST uses that identical ARC format as the
    Amiga.
    
    The Amiga structures it's FONTS: directory in what may be an unusual
    way.  The directory FONTS must have in it further subdirectories
    with specific font sizes stored there.  In the main FONT directory,
    there must be a 'fontname.font' descriptor file that corresponds to
    each font type. 
    
    For example, here's a typical directory structure...
    
    FONTS:
    
    	Pearl   (DIR)
    	  8
    	  9
          10
    	Ruby    (DIR)
          12
          14
          16
    	Diamond (DIR) 
          13
    	  15
          16
          17
    
        Pearl.font
    	Ruby.font
    	Diamond.font
    
    Any takers?
    
    Ed.
    
556.10CADSYS::DALTONCereal Killer.Mon Aug 07 1989 13:407
    Re: -1
    
    Sure, just give a pointer when you get them u/l'ed. Thanks for your
    help!
    
    Kent
    
556.11some questions ...MANIS2::ISThu Nov 23 1989 18:0220
    sorry, but this topic is a little bit weired, so I have to ask:
    
    
    You are talking about a program which converts Mac-fonts to GDOS
    Fonts, am I right?
    
    Is this program PD or Shareware? If yes, Why doesn't anyone give
    a pointer to copy it from?
    
    If the program is able to copy Mac-fonts, how does it expect the
    data? in atari raw data format? this souldn't be a problem: all
    Macs having a FDHD (High density Floppy Drive) are able to write
    and read 720 k atari disks, so all we need to know is:
    does this program expect just the data in a file, or is there anything
    else required?
    
    Bernhard
    a Mac owner who sometimes uses an Atari (and other stuff) 
    (just to have a look at different machines and GUI's)
                                                             
556.12It's commercialFORTSC::MESSENGERSuspended in EthernetMon Nov 27 1989 16:149
    Re: .12
    
>    You are talking about a program which converts Mac-fonts to GDOS
>    Fonts, am I right?
    
    If you are refering to "Fontz!", yes, that is what we're talking about.
    It is NOT public domain, it is a commercial program from a company
    called "Neocept". 
    				- hbm