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Conference 7.286::atarist

Title:Atari ST, TT, & Falcon
Notice:Please read note 1.0 and its replies before posting!
Moderator:FUNYET::ANDERSON
Created:Mon Apr 04 1988
Last Modified:Tue May 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1433
Total number of notes:10312

543.0. "Command Lines" by COMICS::CARLETON (The Flying Shark) Fri Jul 21 1989 13:25

    
    	Hi,
    
    	Anybody out there know whether there is a *decent* command line
    	system for the ST (UNIX like preferred) around. 
    
    	I have tried microCshell but it does have significant limitations
    	mainly due to having to run from disk (or RAMDisk at significant
    	bootup time wait). Something similar to the MACemulator that
    	keeps its utilities in RAM, and is not affected by reset.
    
    	In fact even microCshell is a vast improvement over possibly
    	the second worst user interface ever invented ... namely GEM!
    
    	Cheers
    
    	Les
    
    	PS How do you know that some cats don't WANT to live in trees?
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543.1UNIX-like command line interfaceRISCY::dbbToto too?Wed Jul 26 1989 00:334
I use gulam, which is a very UNIX-like command line interface on my 1040.
It has history, aliasing, etc.  The price is right, too (it's PD).

Dave
543.2Soldiering OnCOMICS::CARLETONThe Flying SharkWed Jul 26 1989 09:479
    	Gulam sounds good, but does it come back after a reset.
    
    	I had a thought, is there any way of getting a cmdline system
    	on a cartridge, rather than disk?
    
    	Will gulam run GEM apps (eg Firstword +)
    
    	Les
    
543.3Mark Williams ShellPRNSYS::LOMICKAJJeff LomickaWed Jul 26 1989 14:3922
I find the Mark Williams shell to be nice and frustratingly :-)
Unix-like. It's expensive for a shell, but it comes with a pretty good
C compiler, machine-level debugger, resource editor, and great
documentation.  (Well, you either hate the manual, or your love it.  I
love it.)

The common shell utilities are all built in (ls, cd, setenv, cat) and
the rest come from PATH (egrep, make, em, cc. ld, od), which you can
direct through a RAM disk that survives reset, and can be your boot
device.

If you don't want to run any GEM programs, you can start MWC in your
AUTO folder.  You get a lot of extra memory this way also, since GEM
uses something over 100K or RAM.  The AUTO folder runs before GEM is
started.

It's pretty easy to set up a Mark Williams environment that boots up
running the shell with all the utilities in a PATH search list that
includes a pre-loaded RAM disk.  Their RAM disk generator let's you
save an image of the RAM disk with the files already loaded on it, so
it comes up quick.

543.4DCL for the ST?SATURN::BUXTONLuke Buxton, VRO3-3/B9, DTN 273-5376Fri Jul 28 1989 19:303
In the old ST Notes file their was a note by someone who said he was developing
a DCL-like commmand line interface for the ST. Does anyone know anything about
this?
543.5DCL+EDT for ST are hereCOL01::KLEINHelmut Klein @ Cologne/West_GermanyTue Aug 01 1989 14:3121
    There are two programs here in Germany called
    
                               ST - DCL       and
                               ST - EDT         .
    
    ST-DCL is some sort of commandline-interpreter emulating VMS-DCL.
    The emulation however is >>not<< complete.
    You can start gem-applications from ST-DCL .
    
    ST-EDT  >> is <<  EDT . I love it, because i'm so aquainted with
    good old EDT. Some features are missing, but i'm really happy with
    it.
    
    If there is some interest in it, i'll put the address into this
    topic. I don't have it at hand in the moment.
    
    The programs are sold by a german "IngenieurBuero", the price is
    approx. DM 300,-   .
    
    
    Helmut   [ great_atari_fan_&_also_edt_fan ] 
543.6Confusion SayCOMICS::CARLETONRoundabout Basingstoke wayTue Aug 01 1989 15:3215
    
    	Ah,
    
    	Can I clear up a little thing here, the last thing I want is
    	to emulate DCL or EDT or EVE or anything else VMS. Being a
    	*real* ULTRIX person. 
    
    	Even if they are good, it means learning yet another new system
    	and quite honestly I don't want to!
    
    	Any more ideas ??? Particularly the perpetual ramdisk/ reboot
    	and run without disk !
    
    	Les
    
543.7PRNSYS::LOMICKAJJeff LomickaTue Aug 01 1989 15:4419
>    	Any more ideas ??? Particularly the perpetual ramdisk/ reboot
>    	and run without disk !

Perhaps I didn't make myself clear.  The Mark Williams RAM disk can be
pre-loaded with files, as in, you create a .PRG file that is the RAM
disk including all the files.  When the .PRG is executed, this disk
then becomes the BOOT DISK for the system, so that when you hit reset,
it boots directly from the RAM disk without accessing either the floppy
or the hard disk drive, and load all \AUTO files and .ACC files from it.

If you pre-load the RAM disk auto folder with the Mark Williams Shell,
which is nearly indistinguishable from Unix, the shell will come up
automatically when you hit reset.

At power-up, you will have to have a disk loaded that contains the RAM
disk .PRG file in the auto folder, but that's the only concession you
have to make to physical media.


543.8Yeah!COMICS::CARLETONRoundabout Basingstoke wayTue Aug 01 1989 16:077
    Ah!
    
    	Sorry I didn't understand your reply correctly, that sounds
    	ideal, must inquire at "my friendly local atari dealer!"
    
    	Les
    
543.9PRNSYS::LOMICKAJJeff LomickaTue Aug 01 1989 21:493
If you have troubel setting this up, let me know and I'll write up the
procedure.