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Conference 7.286::atarist

Title:Atari ST, TT, & Falcon
Notice:Please read note 1.0 and its replies before posting!
Moderator:FUNYET::ANDERSON
Created:Mon Apr 04 1988
Last Modified:Tue May 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1433
Total number of notes:10312

405.0. "Help Request" by FIELD::WARNER (I Pink,Therefore I Spam) Thu Mar 02 1989 11:25

	A young friend of mine (aged 8 1/2) is looking for a computer
 and in my role as 'heavy duty computer guru' I will be going shoping
 with him on saturday for same. He appears to believe that a computer 
 is a peripheral to a joystick, I however will be working a hidden 
 agenda namely Mummys desire to use computer for serious work.

	My goal will be to convince him that he wants a ST, given 
 it's graphics capabilities and the 'triffic games available this
 should not be too hard. However there are one or two questions that
 I have regarding the aquisition of net software. I would like to
 be able to get SEDT and other netware for a bit of WP and Spreadsheeting
 initialy. 

	What I have in mind is using my Amstrad PPC to aquire the .arc's
 from the net and then taking my PPC to the ST and trundling them across
 the serial ports. The questions I have are:

	(1) Is there a CHEAP kermit package that is available in the UK
	    that I can use for communication ?
	(2) How big are the disk drives, is it possible to use SEDT on
	    the entry level machine, 512k and one drive ?
	(3) I have double sided disks on my PPC, can these be read on
	    the ST directly ?
	(4) Is this entire aproach workable ?

	Nigel
	
 

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405.1Very workableLEDDEV::WALLACEThu Mar 02 1989 13:0925
    (1) UNITERM is a popular PD terminal emulator that supports KERMIT.
        I would assume it's available in the UK but I don't know for
    	sure. The place I bought my ST (in the States) was happy to
    	give me a copy of UNITERM (and a few other PD files) when I
    	bought the ST. So ask your salesperson and be prepared to buy
    	a box of floppies (or bring one) to copy the files onto.
    
    	If that fails then post another note here and someone will probably
    	be willing to copy UNITERM onto a disk for you.
    
    (2) A SS drive (comes in a 520ST, or at least used to) holds 320k and a
    	DS drive (comes in a 1040ST) holds 740k. I don't know if SEDT
    	will run on a 520ST.

    (3) I assume the PPC is an IBM PC compatible with 3 1/2" disks.
    	If so then the ST should be able to read the disks. I have heard
    	that sometimes there are problems if you put files in directories
    	I'm not sure of the details.
    
    (4) Transfering files via connecting the serial ports on the two
	systems is definitly workable. Moving floppies between the two
	systems is doable if follow some constraints (I think there
    	are some notes that give more details about this).

    		Ray        
405.2CADSYS::DALTONA mind is a terrible thingThu Mar 02 1989 13:1231
 Re: WP and Spreadsheeting from Net:
	For Spreadsheets: I'd reccomend SHEET and OPUS
	For WP: ST Writer is the only PD WP I know of (maybe early versions
	of 1st Word, as well?)


>	(1) Is there a CHEAP kermit package that is available in the UK
>	    that I can use for communication ?

	dunno.


>	(2) How big are the disk drives, is it possible to use SEDT on
>	    the entry level machine, 512k and one drive ?

	I used it on a 512K 520 with a single sided drive before I upgraded
	to 1meg w/ DS drive. BTW, I think they're putting DS drives in the
	520's now. (Someone please correct me if I'm wrong)
 

>	(3) I have double sided disks on my PPC, can these be read on
>	    the ST directly ?

	If you can write 3.5" Standard IBM 720K format disks and the ST has
	the aforementioned DS drive this is the way to go.

>	(4) Is this entire aproach workable ?

	Another option is to Kermit or Xmodem them to the ST using Uniterm
	(a free terminal emulator, for the ST)
 
405.3SHOP BEFORE YOU DROP?LINCON::MGAINESThu Mar 02 1989 13:1229
    
    	Don't just look at the ATARI, look at what the AMIGA has to
    	offer. A real GURU shops carefully so don't think the ATARI
    	is your only/best solution. The ATARI has an advantage slightly
    	over the AMIGA when it comes to MIDI, otherwise I personnaly
    	feel the AMIGA has the advantage when it come to Software,
    	games, etc. Also the AMIGA is true multitasking. The computers
    	are similar, so shop and compare before you buy. There are 3
    	notes files for the AMIGA, some good info on BOMBE::AMIGA. 
    
    	I am an old ATARI 8 bit user, I as considering an ATARI ST,
    	before I discovered the AMIGA notes file. It changed my mind
    	and I wont consider the ST presently.
    
    	A friend of mine however  purchased an ST because he wanted
    	it for his music, the ATARI ST is apparently one of the most
    	attractive computers for MIDI. The ATARI has the MIDI interface
    	built in, where as for the AMIGA and other PC's you would have
    	to buy the MIDI interface for the sum of 50-100 dollars. 
    
    	You may still decide to buy the ATARI ST, it is a good computer
    	I have enjoyed my 8 bit, but very disappointed in the way ATARI
    	dropped them, will they do the same with the ST? Many stores
    	that used to sell them here in Atlanta have discountinued 
    	them. So I suggest you shop slowly... and read the notes files.
    
    
    
    				MAG
405.4If cost is a factor, stay with AtariPRNSYS::LOMICKAJJeff LomickaThu Mar 02 1989 13:2710
This guy's in the UK, so he won't have the trouble that we have in the
US with finding stores and other support for the ST.

The ST's other advantage over the Amiga is the crisp monochrome display
that makes using the ST as a VAX terminal and desktop publishing
machine so attractive.  To make the Amiga tolerable for anything other
than games you have to get a "flicker fixer" (over $400) and a
multisynch monitor.  You are very soon very poor that way.


405.5on amiga flicker fixerCIMBAD::POWERSI Dream Of Wires - G. NumanThu Mar 02 1989 13:3716

     RE: < Note 405.4 by PRNSYS::LOMICKAJ "Jeff Lomicka" >

> To make the Amiga tolerable for anything other
> than games you have to get a "flicker fixer" (over $400) and a
> multisynch monitor.  You are very soon very poor that way.

    And I believe the Flicker fixer only currently works on an amiga 2000
    which is much more expensive than the 500.

    Bill Powers




405.6PRNSYS::LOMICKAJJeff LomickaThu Mar 02 1989 17:107
As an aside, and to be fair to the Amiga community, I might add that
the Atari color modes of "medium" and "high" resolution are available
on the Amiga without any flicker, but then again, I also feel that you
need a monochrome monitor on the Atari for it to be useful for anything
other than games.  200 scanlines just isn't enough!


405.7Lots of optionsACE::SANDERSThu Mar 02 1989 18:2813
        SEDT does run on 520 with a single-sided disk drive and only 512k
        of memory - both GSEDT.PRG (GEM SEDT) and SEDT.TTP
        
        All 520s are now coming with double-sided drives.
        
        Over 35% of the midi market is held by Atari, making it the
        single largest presence with Apple's MacIntosh being number 2.
        
        If you want to mainly do WP and Spreadsheets, you should consider
        a 1Mb or larger machine.
        
        Bob
405.8Color&Mono not too expensiveLEDDEV::WALLACEFri Mar 03 1989 14:1625
		(Moved here by the moderator)
    JGO::MEHIGHEND "Wil Heijsen"                         21 lines   3-MAR-1989
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    Hi,
    
    I have a son of 9 years old now, and if I like to do something else
    as playing together with him, I almost have to kick him off from
    the 1040ST (ATARI).
    I bought a little 37 cm (14"?)color TV and a tv-modulator. Also
    a monitor switchbox with automatic reboot at switch time.
    So if my son is playing he's doing this in color(low-or medium
    resolution). When I use it I switch to hi-res mono SM124 monitor.
    All works very smoothly without hickups
	Cost: ATARI + SM124 ~ $850
	      TV	      $200
              modulator       $100
              switchbox       $ 50
              STAR NX1000     $350 (9 dots Epson compat. serial printer)
    			----------
    		             $1550
    					
    All assuming $1=Dutch FL 2.00
    
    Regards, Wil Heijsen.