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Conference 7.286::atarist

Title:Atari ST, TT, & Falcon
Notice:Please read note 1.0 and its replies before posting!
Moderator:FUNYET::ANDERSON
Created:Mon Apr 04 1988
Last Modified:Tue May 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1433
Total number of notes:10312

26.0. "HP DeskJet printer" by EUCLID::PAULHUS (Chris @ MLO 8-3/T13 dtn 223-6871) Thu Apr 07 1988 15:19

	Many ST owners have been waiting for a cheap laser printer from Atari.
  When word got out that their laser printer was going to list for $1995 and
  require a memory upgrade, a lot of us came to a full stop, started looking
  at 24-pin dot matrix printers, etc.  I did too.
	A couple of months ago, releases appeared in the computer trade 
  publications about a Hewlett Packard ink-jet printer that would list for
  under $1000 and give laser like 300 dpi resolution.  I wrote to HP. I got
  info. I decided to buy.  By calling around, I got a price of $700 for one
  (most places cold quoted $750). So I got mine from Deerfield Data Systems
  in Sunderland, MA.  
	Bottom Line: The output is so good it requires magnification to tell
  it from laser output!
	Details:  Under magnification, you can detect some fuzzys - splatter
  from the ink-jet.  You don't notice them normally.  The parallel connector
  is recessed about 1/8 inch more than any I've seen before.  My cable that
  has fed my Toshiba 24-pin parallel port for years with no problems, would
  not work with the HP. An HP cable and some healthy shoving cured this. I
  got the Epsom FX-80 Emulator cartridge from HP and I'm very glad I did. 
  There are not many printer drivers for 300 dpi HP printers in Atariland.
  Publishing Partner has one for the LaserJet.  But everyone has an Epsom
  driver.  So, I use the LaserJet driver for graphics output and desktop
  publishing stuff (but it is SLOW: about 15 min. for a full, busy page!)
  and use the Epsom cartridge for word processing outputs (the output is
  as crisp and detailed as without the cartridge, it just responds to the
  Epsom commands), screen dumps using an Epsom driver, spread sheet dumps,
  etc.  I highly recommend this emulator cartridge for Atari owners!
	Output speed for word processing, etc is either 120 cps for 300 dpi
  'final' mode output or 240 cps for 'draft' 150 dpi (skips every other dot)
  mode.  It's only when using the 300 dpi driver in Publishing Partner that
  it slows to a crawl - and I think that's due to the Atari CPU speed.
	I plan to demo the HP at the next Abacus meeting, on the 26th.
  Anyone seriously contemplating one is welcome to call: 223-6871. - Chris

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26.1More commentsTEA::PETERSDon Peters, CTS1-2/K5, 287-3742Thu Apr 07 1988 16:4919
    Just wanted to add to what Chris said about the printer.
    
    I saw one demoed at Computer Hut in Nashua. I compared a page of
    output from it to a page generated from a laser printer. Only when
    I got my eyes to within about 4 inches from the page was I able
    to tell the difference. Then, the desk jet actually appeared a bit
    better than the laser output! Surprisingly, I didn't notice any
    ink dot spattering, which is often common with these printers, but
    I didn't use a magnifying glass either.
    
    But, for me, there were a few disadvantages this printer had. For
    one, the ink cost seemed rather high. Seemed like it was about $25
    for 500 pages, but I could easily be wrong on this. The other
    disadvantage is that it didn't take tractor-fed paper, so the printing
    of postcards and mailing labels (which I do a lot of on my Epson
    FX-85) was not possible. Maybe future models will correct this.
    If they do, and bring the cost down a bit, this printer could become
    extremely popular, possibly an industry standard.
    
26.2ink costsENGINE::PAULHUSChris @ MLO 8-3/T13 dtn 223-6871Thu Apr 07 1988 19:093
    The rating on the ink cartridges is 200K characters in final mode
    and about 500K characters in draft mode.  I got the cartridges for
    $15 each.  - Chris
26.3Migraph has a driver...LDP::WEAVERLaboratory Data ProductsFri Apr 08 1988 04:587
    The makers of EasyDraw (Migraph) supposedly have a GDOS driver for
    the HP DeskJet.  This means that you could also use full resolution
    and different fonts from any program that utilizes GDOS (EasyDraw
    & Microsoft Write).  I would also expect the makers of WordPerfect
    to support it in the future, if they don't already.
    
    							-Dave
26.4TALK::HARRIMANBeep Bop DiddlyupTue Apr 11 1989 16:5110
	Hmm. Since this topic was written, DEC has been marketing the DeskJet
	under the name LJ250. This is one and the same. I don't know if this
	conference has it posted elsewhere, but the info fits here.

	the -252 is the parallel port version.

	fwiw

	/pjh
26.5not a DeskJetVINO::BHAMILTONBuzz HamiltonTue Apr 11 1989 17:5510
    I just looked up the LJ250/252 in the Sales Update (Vol 19 number
    4 - August 10,1987).
    
    The picture does not look at all like the HP DeskJet. The write-up
    says it prints at 180 by 180 dpi, and handles tractor-fed paper.
    It also claims compatibility with the HP PaintJet (HP3630A). They
    are called Companion Color Printers and the MLP is $1695.
    
    I'd say it's not a DeskJet.
    
26.6and there's one on my deskTALK::HARRIMANBeep Bop DiddlyupWed Apr 12 1989 03:314
    
    umm, well, it was one of those "jets" anyway. It speaks PCL not
    laser... silly me.
    
26.7It's definitly not a DeskjetLVOVAX::GARRFri May 26 1989 03:035
    It's definitly not a Deskjet.  The HP Deskjet is a 48 nozzle ink jet
    that prints on plain paper at 300dpi.  The LJ250 is a color companion
    printer that prints on clay coded paper.  If you were to use regular
    paper the bleed is terrible, not so on the Deskjet.
    
26.8Deskjet vs. PaintjetLDP::WEAVERLaboratory Data Products/ScienceFri May 26 1989 21:3517
    My understanding is that the LJ250 is a "bought out" Paintjet with
    DEC firmware added.  I think the Paintjet only supports 16 colors,
    whereas the LJ250 in sixel mode can support 256 colors by using
    a 2x2 pixel size and dithering.  Of course you lose resultion when
    dithering, but it nice to not have to write the dithering algorithms.
    I think both the Paintjet and the Deskjet use similar algorithms
    for screen dumps.
    
    Note Deskjet is monochrome (bitonal), while the Paintjet provides
    color.
    
    There is a Deskjet + available now that can output in graphics mode
    at a much higher rate, as long as you have drivers that support
    the new compression protocols that HP is using.  The Deskjet + is
    also a bitonal printer.
    
    						-Dave
26.9SYSTEM::GOODWINPete. DEC/EDI. Wassa Data Server? ARM-wrestlerThu Jan 10 1991 10:325
    Also the Deskjet+ has 56 nozzles. And now there is the DeskJet 500,
    with extra fonts. Trust me to buy mine 6 months before they introduce
    this one!
    
    Pete.
26.10Will a LJ250 work on an ST?UKCSSE::KEANEFri Jan 11 1991 12:5412
    
    Hi,
    
    Supposing I could get my hands on a LJ250 paintjet, IS it possible to
    drive it from any Atari based drivers, (I know that Deskjet drivers are
    around, how about Paintjet?)  
    
    The previous notes create an area of doubt exactly what is a LJ250!
    
    Answers gratefully received
    
    PJK
26.11TANNAY::BETTELSCheryl, Eur. Ext. Res. Prg., DTN 821-4022Wed May 27 1992 13:165
We have an HP Deskjet 500 printer.  What sort of driver do we need to use
it from the Atari for other than plain vanilla ascii fonts?  It works great
with the Adobe stuff on the Spectre Mac emulator.

Cheryl
26.12ERASME::JBETTELSSun May 31 1992 17:319
26.13Here we are !!BERN02::KURATHTue Jun 02 1992 07:167
Hello there,

if you give me your e-mail address then

I send you a copy or the pointer for this 1stWordPlus-Driver

Niklaus
26.14drivers...where are you ?BRSTR1::PIGEONAlpha = (YB)^2Wed Dec 23 1992 08:3911
    Happy new owner of DECjet 1000 (I find it the ideal printer for home)
    I too am looking for the 1st word plus driver, and also the GDOS
    driver. Something like HPdesk.sys (?)
    
    I have sent mail to the author of .13 but I suppose he is on christmas 
    holiday and I'm a bit too impatient.
    
    If anybody can help with pointers... thanks in advance.
    
    
    					Ray.
26.15yup, got someUFHIS::BFALKENSTEINMon Jan 11 1993 13:519
    
    Take a look into the archives of
    UFRCS1::DISK$FS:[FALKENSTEIN.ATARI.NEW1]
    There are some HP-Utilities including a driver for Wordplus with 
    Graphics capabilities and GDOS drivers for HP...
    
    Bernd