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Conference misery::feline_v1

Title:Meower Power is Valuing Differences
Notice:FELINE_V1 is moving 1/11/94 5pm PST to MISERY
Moderator:MISERY::VANZUYLEN_RO
Created:Sun Feb 09 1986
Last Modified:Tue Jan 11 1994
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5089
Total number of notes:60366

2690.0. "Hairballs! Yuk!" by ALLVAX::LUBY (DTN 287-3204) Tue Jul 18 1989 12:23

	Hi,

	One of my cats is puking up hairballs on a regular basis.
	I've never caught the cat that is doing it but I think it
	is Bandit because I've seem him gagging before.

	Anyhow, the question is, what can I do to stop this?  The
	size of these hairballs is incredible.  I picked up a large
	one last Friday, and then another one this morning.  And 
	little ones show up daily.  There is no doubt they are hairballs 
	although I almost lost it myself trying to determine whether it 
	was a poop or a hair ball (they have the same shape).

	I've tried that hairball medicine but it is very difficult
	to administer.  I've also tried brushing them regularly but
	it still doesn't help!  I've noticed that when I brush them,
	if I pull the hair out of the brush, they will try to eat it.
	Could they be eating clumps of hair from the floor if I don't
	vacumme them up immediately?

	One final question.... why does my shorthair shed more than
	the medium-long hair?

	Thanks,

	Karen
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2690.1Be persistant...CGVAX2::JOHNSON_STue Jul 18 1989 12:436
    I would either be persistant with the Hairball medicine, by putting
    it right on their lips or paws- try another brand or use butter
    (I heard that that works also).
    
    I have had the same problem with my long haired Kitty- fortunately
    he loves the Hairball Remedy!
2690.2Shorthairs shed more!IAMOK::GERRYHome is where the Cat isTue Jul 18 1989 13:198
    My shorthairs shed differently than the long hairs.  The longhairs seem
    to shed in clumps that you can comb out.  The Shorthairs just shed,
    everywhere!!!  I have found that if you use a flea comb it gets out
    alot of the dead hair so they don't keep ingesting it. Also, bathing
    them really helps alot.  
    
    cin
    
2690.3Try Vaseline or Mineral OilMICLUS::MTAGTue Jul 18 1989 14:219
    My cats LOVE to eat Vaseline which helps with furballs.  My vet says
    it's ok for them, so why not?  Also, mineral oil is another good
    suggestion.
    
    Mary
    
    PS - for some reason, the cats know the difference between Vaseline
    brand petroleum jelly and the cheap stuff.  They like Vaseline!
    
2690.4exitALLVAX::LUBYDTN 287-3204Tue Jul 18 1989 14:3215
	What does a flea comb look like?  I have a two sided brush which
	I use.  One side is the plastic bristles really close together
	that I use on their faces and ears.  The other side is long wire
	bristles about 1/4 inch apart.  This side acts similar to a comb 
	and I use this on their bodies.  Is this close enough to a flea
	comb?

	I don't remember having this problem last summer and it was
	much hotter than this summer.  Perhaps this is because Bandit
	was not quite a year old yet and the hairballs become a problem
	when a cat grows up?

	Karen

2690.5Any pet store will do!IAMOK::GERRYHome is where the Cat isTue Jul 18 1989 14:379
    A flea comb is usually a metal comb that have tiny spaces between the
    teeth, so you can comb out fleas!!!  It also works for fleas, but I
    find it really good in getting the dead hair out.  Your local pet store
    should carry them, and they will usually be in a package that will say
    it's a flea comb.  Make sure you get a metal one, and not one with
    plastic teeth because they pull more.
    
    cin
    
2690.6FSHQA2::RWAXMANA Cat Makes a Purrfect FriendTue Jul 18 1989 16:1014
    Karen, just take a big glob of the hairball medicine (Petromalt,
    Femalt or Laxatone) and rub it on the cat's lips.  They will have
    no choice but to lick it off.  Make sure you smear it on evenly
    so it doesn't drip.  Some people prefer to smear it on a paw but
    my cats just shake it off and then I end up cleaning the carpet,
    drapes, couch, etc. (sigh).
    
    My cats are brats.  They will not lick it right from the tube like
    some cats do.  Another alternative is to buy some Linatone and mix
    a teaspoon or two into their canned food if you feed canned.
    
    
    /Roberta
    
2690.7One more suggestion..food dishDRFIX::IVESI'm my own PersianTue Jul 18 1989 17:0515
    Mocha would eat the whole tube of Femalt if I let him, but had
    a terrible time with Ming when we first got her. I called the
    breeder and asked her what she had done previously. Mary told me
    to put it on the rim of her dish and she will eat it off, sure 
    enough she did. Mary said cats associate their food dish with
    eating and there is no problem with the fur ball medicine that
    way. (We tried putting it on her little button nose and her paws
    and like Roberta ended cleaning up the walls, carpet, side of
    the kitchen cabinet etc.)
    
    My two hate any thing except Femalt.
    
    Yuck on those slimmy fur "logs."
    
    Barbara
2690.8Not a cureDELNI::HYERTue Jul 18 1989 17:1211
    
    The FEMALT etc. does not prevent hairballs in my two longhairs.  It
    does stop the gagging and they are not constant.  We were up to about
    1 per week and many times didn't know who was doing what.  I also find
    that they throw up a couple times BEFORE the hairball arrives.  It just
    goes with owning a cat this time of year I guess.  I have one who I
    swear runs for under the grand piano when he feels it coming on!! 
    Otherwise we have been lucky - cellar and vinyl floor hits.  We brush
    about every other day (hit or miss sometimes) and femalt twice a week.
    
    "C"
2690.9.. yucko pittoey!!!.. AIMHI::MCCURDYTue Jul 18 1989 17:1927
    .. HMMM.. that is not always the case.. (right aunt Cin).. Her royal
    Highness has not been"feeling well" as of late.. and "we " have been
    experimenting with different things to see if we can "stimulate
    her appetite.. :*))..so Aunt Cin reccomended some some nutrical..
    we got some.. I brought it home.. put it on Pookies "nose area"..
    she ABSOLUTELY REFUSED TO LICK IT OFF.. in the meantime Happy
    came out.. and ME TOO Mummy.. I want what she has...NOW.. so I 
    gave her some too.. well HER ROYAL HIGHNESS.. IS STILL
    NOT GOING To lick, swallow etc.. Well Happy toddles on over
    to check Pookie out.. imagine her royal highness with "stuff"
    on her facial area.. heh-heh.. the next thing I know Happy
    in one swift move.. licks the nutrical off Pookies Nose!!!!..
     you had to see th look on Pookies face.. you also should
    have been aroind for the CHASE.. Pookie chsing Happy down the
    hall.HISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS,,, growl mutter..
    and OL CHUBBS running for all she is worth.. yakking away..
    .. I am sure she was saying.. LOOK  you old *ITHCHY CAT..
    I was just trting to help.. you did not want it did you?..
    so there.. and Pookie replying.. PEASANT!!.. YUCKO ,she touched
    me..help mummy.. it was soooooo funny..  I went in.. and settled
    it.. of course her royal highness.. di have the last word..
    I am TOPCAT, HAPPY.. do not touch me..!!!! Happy
    wanders off.. yakkity yaskitty.,, Can I hace some more ,please
    mummy,, I'll also take her portion too.. that was very good , mummy.
    tee-hee
    regards
    kate
2690.10On the rim...MSBIS2::SADLERTue Jul 18 1989 17:3118
    My two get Hartz Hairball Remedy.  It works for them--Pumpkin has
    medium length hair, Ninja has long-hair.  Pumpkin LOVES the
    hairball stuff and licks it right from the tube.  Ninja HATES
    hairball stuff, but he is a glutton, so.... I, too, put it on
    the rim of the food dish.  He will only eat it if there is not
    one crumb of food left in the dish (what a desperado!).
    
    Whenever I get lax in giving their hairball remover to them,
    Ninja ALWAYS demonstrates their need for some.  
    
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    Cathy
2690.11CIRCUS::KOLLINGKaren, Sweetie, & Holly; in Calif.Tue Jul 18 1989 18:464
    Vacuuming does matter.  As a busy slob, I used to let vacuuming
    go to long, until I realized there was a direct correlation
    between infrequent vacuuming and sweetie upchucking.
    
2690.12WR2FOR::CORDESBRO_JOTue Jul 18 1989 19:3521
    The difference in shedding between your shorthair and your longhair
    may be due to the type of coat.  Most shorthairs have a double coat,
    made up of guard hairs and undercoat.  Undercoat builds up in winter
    and the sheds out in summer.  Most guard hairs stays put until it
    dies and then falls out.  Alot of longhairs have a single coat
    (Birmans, some Maine Coons, Turkish Angora, [I think]) made up of
    only guard hairs.  They do still shed, but not the same as a coat
    that is molting out undercoat.  Monroe, my shorthair, has more problems
    with hairballs than any of my longhair cats.
    
    I have also had good luck with a little rubber comb on Monroe. 
    It grabs and holds the loose hair, even though it really doesn't
    have much in the way of teeth.  I can't describe them, but alot
    of shorthair breeders use them at the shows.  
    
    Just keep the stomach well lubricated, keep up the brushing and
    combing, and vacumming, and the problem will be lessened.
    
    Good Luck
    
    Jo
2690.13Mr. Clean lives in my cat!FINS::CIOFFITue Jul 18 1989 20:3414
    This is our first year with Jasper shedding.  So he pucked, we worried,
    and eventually worked out a routine.  Now he gets Petromalt (and
    loves it!!!!!!!)  Not to rub it in, but he licks it right of our
    finger.  Mr. Grouch would be much disturbed if we ever put it on
    his clean, clean fur.  As it is, he must bathe after we hold him
    or kiss him too much.  Makes us feel really good!!!!!!!  Now we
    brush regularly (that he DOESN'T LOVE), and give Petromalt and
    the hairball gifts have minimized.  
    
    One question, though, does anyone know what to do about dandruff?
    Since we started brushing him, he now has dry skin on his back.
    
    Karen
    
2690.14those little nastiesFRAGLE::PELUSOTue Jul 18 1989 21:4522
    Nippa also shed like crazy and has hairball something fierce!  I found
    that a bath once in a while along with the flea comb and Laxatone
    help a lot.
    
    I have found out something else.....for those with weak stomachs
    don't read!
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    I was told that a cat will eat the entire rodent, then 1-2 hours later
    barf up what can not be digested.....which resembles a hair ball.
    
    Nippa does go out and brings home a kill almost daily....almost....so I
    know where the others are going....so if your cat goes out, it might be
    a good thing that they are barfing up these 'little nasties'.
2690.15SCRUZ::CORDES_JABy the shards of my dragon's eggWed Jul 19 1989 01:4119
    I have 2 shorthairs (Bailey and Amelia) that shed like crazy and are 
    quite happy licking Laxatone or Kat-A-Lax right out of the tube.  Then
    there is Carrie, my recently acquired longhair that sheds in clumps
    and who won't touch Laxatone or Kat-A-Lax with a 5 ft. flea comb.  I
    have a special method for getting it down her.  I put it on my finger, 
    then use my other hand to lift on each side of her mouth till it
    opens, then I use her upper teach to scrape the stuff off my finger
    and onto the roof of her mouth.  Not much she can do about it then but 
    use her tongue to clean off the roof of her mouth and swallow the
    stuff.  Like others have mentioned here, putting the stuff on the
    paw only succeeds in spreading it around the house rather than getting
    much of it in the cat in Carrie's case. 
    
    I also have to flea comb her regularly (can't use the little rubber brush
    like I do on the short hairs); I swear I comb several whole kittens
    worth off of her every other day and there's still tons of fur hanging
    on.
                                            
    Jan
2690.16short hair & the flea combDNEAST::FIRTH_CATHYowlWed Jul 19 1989 11:1028
    
    I guess I have been lucky.  In three years I have never seen a
    hairball.   But then it might be due to a sense of self preservation.
    I am VERY allergic to cats, but love them.  I had accepted I could not
    have a cat and then ended up with two rescuees.
    
    Each day I comb my two cts with a flea comb as mentioned before.  Both
    are, I guess, regular shorthair, but they shed differently.  If you
    could use the hair for knitting, Bandit would keep me supplied.  She
    has no bald spots or anything, but there is an INCREDIBLE amount of
    hair each day.  Smokey shed a lot less although he is twice the size.
    
    I use the dust buster in the area where I comb and use a linit brush
    over the furniture each day and then dash for the sink to wash all 
    exposed areas of skin where any hair might have landed.  After both
    cats have been combed, I give them a few bonkers.
    
    The flea comb seems to get both the top hair and the fine underhair
    that is especially bandit's color.  It only takes a few minutes, but
    I get to keep the cats and they don't have problems with hairballs.
    
    Long haired cts are probably a different story as they seem to be
    mostly hair, but short haired cats can be controlled.
    
    Cathy (Bandit and Smokey)
    
    
    
2690.17CRUISE::NDCWed Jul 19 1989 11:194
    I believe the "little rubber brush" is called a curry brush.  Its
    also great for cleaning cat hair off upholstry and stairs :-)
      Nancy DC
    
2690.18try tuna fishJUPITR::NEALKWed Jul 19 1989 14:065
    when princess or bob has that problem, i give them tuna packed in
    oil. they love the tuna treat and the oil acts as a good lubricant.
    
                          karan
    
2690.19Curry brush???CSCOA5::ELLIS_SFri Jul 21 1989 13:5318
    I must have a little angel.  Smokey just LOVES Laxatone, Vaseline,
    Linatone, and is favorite - BRUSHING!!!  I have a brush that looks
    like a curry comb I used to see used on horses, and it has hundreds
    of tiny metal bristles that catch an amazing amount of hair.  This
    is the only brush he will allow me to use, and when he sees it in
    my hand, he runs up and starts to rub himself on it.  The brushing
    begins - he walks around and around to be sure I don't miss a spot.
    He turns over on his stomach, and if I don't get the itchy spot
    - he'll grab the brush with his paws and put it where he wants it.
    All this time, he's drooling like crazy, and I have to keep a towel
    handy or I'm a real mess when I'm finished - hair and drool - yuk!!
    
    Anyway, this brush is a real life saver - unless you count my 
    arm about to fall off by the time he lets me stop brushing!!
    
    Oh, Smokes also likes a bath.  Angel????  I think so.
    
    Sharon and Smokey
2690.20What I do...4GL::LANDRYFri Jul 21 1989 17:4715
  I have a long haired cat who loves to shed and coughs up a hairball 
  about once a week!  I feel so bad for her because the hairballs are
  huge and must hurt coming out.  Well, I tried the different prescribed
  medications but Boufetta would have nothing to do with any of them.  If
  I put it anywhere on her body she would find a way to rub it off without
  having to lick it.  The vet suggested that I try mineral oil and it works
  like a charm - now I only find the hairballs about once a month.  I use
  a medicine eye dropper (used for babies) and just stick it in her mouth
  and squeeze.  She doesn't complain at all since there is no taste and no
  odor.

  Of course, this method is pretty easy for me since Boufetta demands to
  be picked up and held like a baby (on her back cradled in my arm) whenever
  I come from work!
2690.21PSYCHO-KITTYRHODES::HACHELike Men Who DreamedThu Aug 24 1989 14:0432
    
    
    Well, I talked to the vet this week because Benjamin has thrown
    up about 4 times in the past two weeks, always directly after 
    eating.  I've never heard him hacking as though he has something
    he's trying to toss up, but the vet still says it's probably a 
    hairball.  SOOOoooo.....
    
    I tried some vaseline, and I've never seen anything so funny...
    Ben refused to lick the stuff, so I put it on his paws, very 
    careful to spread it thinly so he couldn't shake it off (I've 
    read plenty of horror/humor stories here in this file!).  Well,
    he tried like crazy...prancing around the apartment, shaking his
    legs, and finally retreating to under the bed so that he could 
    lick himself clean.  "Great" I think to myself...it works!
    
    Well, I went to bed and in typical post-throwup mode Benjamin 
    lets out a yowl and flies into the room... so I think, man the 
    cat threw up again...go to find it, can't find it anywhere.  I 
    try to pat him, but he's darting around the apartment like crazy!
    I go back to bed, he gets on the bed, jumps off the bed runs around
    some more, pounces on things (including my head and back) runs around
    some more.  
    
    My question is, does vaseline do this to anyone else's cat?  Should
    I try something different?  Maybe he just feels alot better now
    that he's had the vaseline so he's being more playful than usual?
    I did notice that he drank ALOT of water last night.  
    
    Thanks!
    
    dm
2690.22BSS::DAHLGRENThu Aug 24 1989 14:396
    Sounds to this novice like Benjamin just freaked out at having stuff
    smeared on him.  I probably would, too.  Tiffany acts differently
    after I grease her nose with Vaseline, too, only she just acts insulted
    and avoids me for awhile.
    
    						-- Ed
2690.23RHODES::HACHELike Men Who DreamedThu Aug 24 1989 14:428
    
    Well,  Ben did that too!
    
    This was like an hour or two later that he started acting up.  
    The two things may be totally unrelated, but I am too much of 
    a novice to know...
    
    dm
2690.24Mom! I feel lighter already!SWAT::COCHRANELike a Cheshire Cat, your smile remains in my nightmaresThu Aug 24 1989 15:344
   I get this type of behavior in my four all the time,
   after they've just let loose in the litterbox.
    
    Mary-Michael