Conference misery::feline_v1

    I'd like to take this opportunity to thank Pam for all has done for the
    conference over the past few years. For those of you that don't know,
    Pam has been the official key-worder for the conference.

    Best of luck in your new job.
    
    Deb

    Pam, thanks for all the years that you have given to Feline. 
    Congratulations and best of luck in your new job.  Hope to hear
    from you from time to time.
    
    Mary, ARE YOU NUTS!!!!!
    
    Jo

    Congratulations on your new job.
    
    Regards,
    
    Karen (and Georgie)

    Pam,
    
    Thanks for all the work you have done for us and congratulations on
    your new job!
    
    Here's hoping we here from you from time to time,
    
    Anna/Zildjian/Spunks
    
    oh, and Good Luck to Mary!
    
    

    Pam,
    
    We'll still look forward to seeing you at some of the local shows. 
    
    Good Luck...
    cin
    

    Pam,
    
    I've only been in this conference for a few months, but I've enjoyed
    it soooo much.  Thanks for making it possible.  
    
    Good luck on your new job
    
    Robyn, Rocky & Smokey

    
    	Pam,
    
    	Thanks so much for your overwhelming contributions to this
    	file.  Good luck in your new endeavor.
    	
    	And good luck to Granda Mary too!  =)
    
    	JJ and the gang
    
    
    

    Thank you Pam for all your hard work and for keeping us in line. (I'm
    sure many times you wanted to pull the plug..!!
    
    Wish you the best in your new position.
    
    Okay Mary, on with the armor, and thanks to you also for taking over.
    
    Barbara

    good wishes to pam; good *luck* to mary...
    
    diane, stanley & stella
    

    good luck to both Pam and Mary.....Michele & Nippa
    

    Pam, good luck in your new job.. you will be missed.. and Granma Mary..
    welcome......
    Kate.. Pookie , Happy , and Preschie..

    Thank you, Pam, for ALL your dedication and hard work.  I think
    that being a moderator is NOT an easy job, nor a very rewarding
    one.  YOU WILL BE MISSED !  Hope also to see you at shows.
    
    Congratulations to you, Mary, and thank you for taking on the task.
    
    Hey gang, if Grandma yells at us too much, we can just drop her off
    a litter or two of KITTENS !!!!!
    
    E.T.

Did I hear more kittens????  No.  Please.   No....

Good luck, Pam, although I feel I might need it more than you...
I'm looking forward to my new responsibilities, but, gee, Pam, do
I really have to answer IAS questions, too?????

Grandma Mary

    
    Good luck to Pam and a Heart Felt THANK YOU for all your guidance in
    the past.
    
    Much Good Luck to Grandma Mary.  We wish you well and we'll try to be
    easy on you at first!!!
    
    Feline Devilish,
    
    Sue & Panther & Spot!  
    

    Pam, best of luck in your new job and good luck to Mary
    
    Giudi, Pippin, Gino & Stitch

    Ditto all the above.
    
    Thank you, Pam.  I know how much time it takes just to keep up
    with all the new news, never mind monitoring that news.  Best of
    luck to you.
    
    And, Mary, best of luck to you, too.
    
    Barbara (Melody, Missy and Brittany)

>                                                               do
>I really have to answer IAS questions, too?????

    And RSX-11D questions, too.
    
    Deb

Re: .13

No, Mary.  Contrary to what Deb says, you do not have to answer
either IAS or 11D calls (or even FORTRAN IV).  However, I have
a stack of open DTR-11 SRNs that have been waiting for resolution
for a *LONG* time that you will be expected to clean up finally!
Best of luck with that and everything else.

And thanks, everyone, for the kind words.

Pam

    Well, I might be able to field a few FORTRAN IV questions -
    ("A REAL programmer is happy with a fortran IV compiler and a Beer!")
    from REAL programmers don't write PASCAL
    
    anyway -
    
    Pam -  Thanks for all your efforts and best of luck on your new job.
    Thanks for hanging in there through all our growing pains.
      Nancy DC

>    ("A REAL programmer is happy with a fortran IV compiler and a Beer!")
    
breakfast of moon pie and flat, warm, RC COLA (only southerners of a certain,
undelicate age will even know what I'm talking about) are also on this
diet.   [a slightly "UNREAL" FORTRAN programmer - that's me]

seriously, folks....moderator is a hard job - handled well of late.  we
shall miss you.  Have fun and remember us.

Mary, we know you will do just fine....


			D-and-the-hundering-therd-in-San-Jose

    Congratulations and good luck on your new job, Pam! And thanks for
    acting as moderator for all this time. Hope you won't suffer from
    FELINE deprivation.
    
    Congratulations and good luck to you, too, Mary. Hope you don't go
    bald from pulling your hair out! :-)
    
    Linda, Misty, Cubby, Toby, Tweetie, and Peanut

    Pam,
    
    This is so sad. Well, good luck at your new company. Thanks for
    being a special person. You've brought many people together who
    share a common bond. 
    
    Theresa, Altaira, Darcy, & Morbius in Silicon Valley

    re: .20 - You mean I'm not the ONLY fortran programmer in this
    company!!!

>    re: .20 - You mean I'm not the ONLY fortran programmer in this
>    company!!!

well, I don't talk about it in POLITE company, but, yeah, I do play
with DO LOOPS when given the chance....I'm a FORTRANNER at heart, but
quite often bring in the bacon with COBOL.  Sigh.  Some folks have
no taste in compilers...

    "Sigh.  Some folks have no taste in compilers...                  "
    
      Ya got that right!  Geez!  They're making me learn COBOL!

    And then of course there are those of us that also remember using
    FORTRASH II on good old OS/8; while the PUNCH statement was my
    favorite, the lack of DO loops made debugging even more exciting than
    FIV's 1-trippers. Of course, once a year when someone, somewhere is
    searching desparatly for someone that worked with this beast, I always
    refer them to Mary Tamir.
    
    Deb

    re: 26
    
        TECO?????????  You are dating yourself - I haven't heard
                       anyone mention TECO in about 6 years !!
    
    E.T.

    It's still the only truely STANDARD editor we've got!
    
    Deb (who's been hopping between RT, RSTS, RSX, VMS and TOPS for a long
         time now)

    re: .-1
    
    Deb,
    
         You forgot (I'd hate to think you intentionally omitted it) IAS
    in that list - I actually installed it a few months ago at a nearby
    Air Force Base.
    
    Denise

    actually, I intentionally left IAS and DOS/BATCH off from that list.
    
    Deb

    I guess I'm not the oldest employee in this file, contrary to
    my previous suspicions.
    

    	Oh TECO.....great stuff...way back before VAX came along we
    had RSTS running on a PDP-11/34 and about 20 users on the system.
    
    	Does anybody remember calling, TECO and getting into it just
    to find out that you had to wait 30 seconds for every keystroke
    to echo back to your VT-05?
    
    	ahhh.....them good old days......
    
    Kirk
    

    I remember Teco fondly...
    
    HT alt alt
    
    ha ha....
    
    cin
    

    what do you mean, "REMEMBER"; it's bundled with VMS V5, it's native
    more and it's even SUPPORTED!
    
    Trivia contest; does anyone know why you have to do a Y following
    an ER? (Hint; Y stands for yank)
    
    By the way, Dian, I may not be southern, but I've sipped more than one
    warm Royal Crown in my day, but usually to wash down a twinkee, not a moon
    pie.
    
    Deb

re: .34

>    Trivia contest; does anyone know why you have to do a Y following
>    an ER? (Hint; Y stands for yank)

Come on, Deb!  Make 'em harder!  ER doesn't read in the first buffer, so if 
you do an ER on a file, Y kills the existing buffer, and reads in the first 
page.  EB *does* read in the first page, so that's why you don't have to do
a Y (unless, of course, you want to kill your current page and read in the 
next one).

Ray_who's_been_using_TECO_for_20_years_now 

WELL, it sure feels good to know that some of us are past 30...well past,
in my case, but let's not be too indelicate.

I cannot imagine what the youngsters are thinking after reading this section
of replies...."Look out!!! the dinasaurs are invading!!"

Ah yes, TECO, the only editor in which I can ENTER MY NAME and change
the information in a file...now that's an editor that deserves it's name!
Not for the faint-hearted...

By the way, NDC....once you learn COBOL, you will spend lots of time
writing FORBOL code, easy to write, but unfortunately, no compiler likes
it much....

			D-who-is-NOT-willing-to-add-PASCAL-to-the-mix

    Ray, I was looking for a more historical response. I'd told that on
    the PDP-1, when you read your file in (from paper-tape, something
    that most of the young 'uns have never actually seen), you had to give
    a command to start the read. This process was refered to "yanking the
    tape", hence the Y.
    
    Deb (who almost named Argus TECO)

    Teco:  or typing in an entire page, only to realize that you
    had forgotten the initial "I" for insert....
    

    yea, but did you know that if you did a *I immediatly after the
    boo-boo, your previous insert command would go into q-register I, which
    you could then just insert with an XI?
    
    Deb

    Arrgh, all that lost typing, and twenty years later I find out how to 
    fix it.....
    

    >Arrgh, all that lost typing, and twenty years later I find out how to 
                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Karen, please be careful of what you say or someone is going to figure out
    just how far past 30 some of us are. :-)
    
    Deb

    re: 41
    
    Hey Deb, have I got you beat in years??  REmember I'm an OLD person !
    My daughter is 25 - !!
    
    I'm not signing my name to this note

    wow, if your daughter is 25, you might even be over 30 in hex!
    
    Deb

re: .37

>    a command to start the read. This process was refered to "yanking the
>    tape", hence the Y.

You wouldn't be "Yank"ing my chain now, would you?

>    Deb (who almost named Argus TECO)

Yeah, but E.T. *did* name her cattery after some text editer!

Ray

    This reminds me that I'm cleaning up my office and I have some surplus
    DECtapes.  Anyone who wants a genuine historical artifact, send me an
    offline message with your mail stop.
    
    You wouldn't know this was FELINE, would you?
    

    For the benefit of the youngsters that don't know, DECtape I was the
    most indestructible media ever created. There was a demonstration of it
    (at DECUS, I think), where they unrolled it, stomped on it, crumpled it
    and even punched holes in it and it was still readable with no data lost!
    And of course, it had the advantage of being random access, and cheep! 

    Deb

>    For the benefit of the youngsters that don't know, DECtape I was the
>    most indestructible media ever created. There was a demonstration of it
>    (at DECUS, I think), where they unrolled it, stomped on it, crumpled it
>    and even punched holes in it and it was still readable with no data lost!
>    And of course, it had the advantage of being random access, and cheep! 

And SLOW, Deb, VERY SLOW.....

    Ok - so how many of you ever entered the bootstrap in hex on a bit-
    board!  I did that on two CDC systems and to boot up my PDP-11/45
    with all of 24K (yes, 24,000) of core memory.
    
    Nancy - who used to have to punch cards to run her fortran programs
            on the old CDC 6600's at Hanscom

    OH - re: FORBOL - i take it that's when you're writing in COBOL and
    using things you had in FORTRAN in your COBOL program
    
    Nancy DC - who knows PASCAL and likes System 1032 4GL best of all.
    

>    OH - re: FORBOL - i take it that's when you're writing in COBOL and
>    using things you had in FORTRAN in your COBOL program
    
Effectively, yes.  I tend to lose track when I haven't written any code
recently...and when I get a chance to throw some code, my brain tends
to blend the two primary languages I service...I design great logic,
write code very fast...and generally have approx. 650 syntax errors
from my first pass on the compiler.  My co-workers call it "Dian's
FORBOL".  8^}

Re:  all the recent notes....THANK YOU, THANK YOU...I'm glad Mary Tamir
and I aren't the only ones in DIGITAL with some "miles under our tires"...
it sure seems like a day care center out here in the field sometimes..8^}

		feeling long in the tooth,

			    D

    re: 43
    
    You are PURSHING your luck, woman!  I haven't counted in hex
    or octal in many many years!
    
    

    re:  44
    
    Thank you for noticing !!  Actually, it's a dual naming -
    
    E is also for Elaine and Exotic,  mac  is a nickname both my father
    and I had in our youth,  X  is also for eXotic.
    
    E.

    RE: .47
    
    DECtape I might have been slow, but it was faster trying to read RSTS
    pointers to salvage a file when your RP04's heads decided to land, or
    when you accidently deleted all of your *.FTNs from an RT-11 pack and
    had to reclaim them with a /T switch in Pip. (actually, reclamation
    could be impossible if some anal-compulsive neat-freak that you worked
    with squished the pack before you discovered your error)
    
    RE: .48
>    Ok - so how many of you ever entered the bootstrap in hex on a bit-
>    board!  
    
    I've toggeled in many a bootstrap on 8s and 11s; I've even toggeled in
    some simple programs when I had to convince Field Service that some
    terminal hanging problems were bad UARTS, not the RSTS/E terminal
    driver (those bad UARTS have a big, black, block G printed on them as
    the manufacturers trade logo). I have a 11/70 switch panel in my office
    (serial # 55). I make a point of toggeling the HALT switch when I'm not
    in (or goofing off)
    
    RE: .50
    
>write code very fast...and generally have approx. 650 syntax errors
>from my first pass on the compiler. 
    
    Wouldn't the old (mid-70's) DEC-10 compilers generate a
    "CATastrophe error" message on somthing like that?
    
    
    RE: .51
    
    You mean that there are other systems of counting other than OCATAL and
    HEX? Maybe that's why my checkbook never seems to balance!
    
    Deb

Hey, how many of you worked on a PDP-4, 5, 6, or 7???  And talk about DECtape...
well, what you remember as DECtape was originally called Type 555 DECtape!  And
there was none of this plastic hub crap!!  It was spring-bound stainless steel.
It was almost as durable as a BRPE punch.  I was a fledgling millrat 21 years
ago, when men were men and women were girls and swapping disks were piston
driven.

You youngsters......really......

PWEF$$

Mary

>>>You youngsters......really......

Now Mary, that's when we met....remember?  You worked on the ground
floor and I worked up on floor 3 of the main bldg. of the mill...
I was a transplanted desert rat from New Mexico via Houston.  The
Houston office asked, "You wanna go to the Mill?" and I said, "YES!
anything to get out of Texas!!!" - Little did I know what I was
getting into...New England weather was EVEN WORSE than Houston weather
(swamp climate for sure) except for 3 glorious weeks in the fall - 
The fall almost made the rest of the year worth it.

I cannot claim experience on the PDP-5 or the PDP-7, but I did work
on the PDP-9, PDP-15, PDP-6, PDP-10, PDP-12, PDP-8 & 8e.  I even tested
the first PDP-11 off the line (running Dartmouth BASIC - fanfold
paper tape).  I sat on a packing box in front of the machine and
loaded the tape...It RAN.  We had no idea we were making history, 
though.