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Conference misery::feline_v1

Title:Meower Power is Valuing Differences
Notice:FELINE_V1 is moving 1/11/94 5pm PST to MISERY
Moderator:MISERY::VANZUYLEN_RO
Created:Sun Feb 09 1986
Last Modified:Tue Jan 11 1994
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5089
Total number of notes:60366

2972.0. "Duck feet on kitty?" by OLDTMR::KEENER () Mon Oct 23 1989 00:51

    Some time ago there was a note about an elderly gentleman's furry
    friends needing rescuing from being put to sleep at a veterinarian
    clinic near Maynard (don't remember what the note # was).
    
    Well, we took the little female they called "Paddlefoot" and renamed
    her Sasha.  She loves to be petted, but not held and handled (it's 
    O.K. if she decides to sit or lay on you as long as you don't hold
    on to her) so....  I never noticed until we recently had to give her
    some medicine and we HAD to hold her that her front paws (both
    double - one with two extra toes, one with three) are webbed just
    like a duck.  Is this normal?  Has anyone else got a feline with
    webbed feet?  It may be quite common - I had never seen a double-
    pawed cat until we moved to New England so it may be just another
    oddity that is common here.
    
    Ellen

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2972.1NRADM::CONGERWhat's ONE more cat????Mon Oct 23 1989 11:4515
    
    	Hi Ellen, Squeek was another one of those cats, and she's
    	the same way about being held. If I pick her up, she's all
    	legs, she actually pushes against me, it's almost impossible
    	to hold her in my arms! The only way I can do it is to pick
    	her up and hold her on her back like a baby!! I wonder if
    	the cats are like that because Mr Crozman had so many and
    	probably couldn't pay very much attention to any of them....
    	She definitely was not used to being picked up or held when
    	I got her...
    
    	Sherry
    
    	p.s. - she doesn't have `webbed feet'....
    
2972.2COGITO::SPINNEYThe truth will make you fleeMon Oct 23 1989 11:5311
    Double pawed cats a relatively unigue to New England although
    as people move around and take there New England kitties
    elsewhere the double pawed gene is getting around.
    I read, in cat Fancy sometime ago that double pawed cats made
    their debut atojnd the time of the first settlers who brought
    a cat(s) with the double pawed gene from England and in time
    the gene made its rounds in this area.
    Double pawed kitties are also called Money Cats. :-)))
    
    Fran
    
2972.3CRUISE::NDCNancy Diettrich-Cunniff-I wanted it allMon Oct 23 1989 12:362
    Fran - I think its calico's that are called "money cats".
      Nancy
2972.4I should have thought of it firstDNEAST::FIRTH_CATHYowlMon Oct 23 1989 14:084
    That's what we should have named Smokey.  I missed the boat, either
    that or bigfoot.  With his 31 toes, he looks like he is wearing snow-
    shoes.  His webs are not noticeable unless you deliberately spread the 
    toes apart.  With so many they are pretty well crammed in together!
2972.5COGITO::SPINNEYThe truth will make you fleeMon Oct 23 1989 14:486
    re.3  could be depending where you live I suppose. I grew up in
    Boston where a multi-toed cat was always called a Lucky Money
    Cat...
    
    Fran
    
2972.6News to me!!ARCHER::WELCHMon Oct 23 1989 15:047
    
    I never realized that Double pawed cats were unique to New England.
    Do persian or Himalayan or any kinds of purebreeds ever have double
    paws? If so, is that considered good or bad? I always liked double
    pawed kitties.
    
    
2972.7No Double Paws, please!IAMOK::GERRYHome is where the Cat isMon Oct 23 1989 16:128
    Double paws are not allowed in any purebred cat of any breed.  Double
    paws would be a withholdable fault, and are NOT allowed.
    
    So, I guess that would mean tht double paws on a purebred cat are
    BAD at least from a showing and breeding perspective.
    
    cin
    
2972.8ARCHER::WELCHMon Oct 23 1989 16:256
    
    Thanks Cin! I didn't think they would be allowed.  So, purebred cats 
    sometimes do  have double paws? 
    Until I read this note, I didn't know double  paws were hereditary.
    
    
2972.9A New Englander from way backCRUISE::NDCNancy Diettrich-Cunniff-I wanted it allMon Oct 23 1989 17:306
    re: .5 - Fran 
       I'm Boston born and bred!  I've never heard of a double-
    pawed cat being referred to as a money cat - only tri-colored cats.
    Hmmm.... wonder if there's a dictionary of cat terms around here.
    Maybe we're both right.
      Nancy
2972.10PENPAL::TRACHMANExoticSH=Persian in UnderwearMon Oct 23 1989 20:119
    I'm New England born and bred also - 
    
    tri-colored = money cat
    
    double paws = originate in N.E. Does NOT money cat
    
    are you thinking of polydactyl = double paws
    
    E.T.
2972.11generic title inserted hereASABET::CUNNIFFMon Oct 23 1989 20:4511
    re .-1
    
    > are you thinking of polydactyl = double paws
    
    the double pawed ones that don't let you cut their claws are
    terrordactyls, aren't they? :-)
    
    Jack
    who_has_22_paws_of_claws_to_be_trimmed! 
    
    
2972.12WR2FOR::CORDESBRO_JOset home/cat_max=infinityMon Oct 23 1989 21:243
    oh, you are so *bad*...how does Nancy stand it?? ;^)
    
    Jo
2972.13Well, Argus has sure cost me plenty of $$, but he's a polydactylVAXWRK::SKALTSISDebMon Oct 23 1989 22:5021
    There are several notes in here on polydactyls (type SHO KEY/FULL=POLY*
    a the notes prompt).

    A few months back, Cat Fancy ran an article on a lot of little known
    cat organizations. I sent off for info on two, the MITTEN CAT CLUB,
    which registers polydactyls, and the Calico cat club, which registers
    tri-colored cats. I'm planning on registering Argus and Panther in the
    former, and Pip in the later. Incidently, it is the Calico club that
    uses the term "money-cat", I believe someplace in it's charter. I'll
    try to dig up the info.

    Before anyone flames these organizations, they aren't promoting
    breeding of animals with these characteristics, but rather are a source
    for people to share info about their unusual cats. The Mitten Cat Club
    in particular is very into spaying and neutering. The Calico Cat Club
    does,however, urge those with breeding/show quality purebred tricolors,
    (like the Persians and Main Coons) to concentrate on breeding the
    tri-colors rather than solids or tabbies as they are getting VERY RARE
    in the purebred area.

    Deb
2972.14Particolor purebreds very popular in our areaWR2FOR::CORDESBRO_JOset home/cat_max=infinityMon Oct 23 1989 22:5711
    Deb,
    
    I haven't found that to be true in the purebred class.  The Persian
    particolor class is one of the most popular in our area.  Also,
    most of the female Main Coons that we see are Brown Patched Tabby,
    which is a tri colored cat.  
    
    This year's top 20 National cats (CFA) will probably have a Calico 
    kitten in it, a very nice one is being shown by Jim Rambo.
    
    Jo
2972.15VAXWRK::SKALTSISDebTue Oct 24 1989 00:2215
    Jo,
    
    I guess that I should have been more specific; the tri-color that they
    are refering to are the black-red-white (and dilute version of that
    combination). I went to a show last month (which was overwhelmingly
    coons) and the judge remarked that out of over 40 Main Coons, all but 2
    were tabby patterns. Also, from a spectators point of view, it seems
    that most of the Persians that I see are solids; I've seem a couple
    brindled brown and red, but never any that are torie and whites, or
    "plain" old calicos. Just about all of the calicos are household pets.
    
    Maybe when all of this DUIT stuff is over, I'll type in the charters to
    both organizations.
    
    Deb
2972.16COGITO::SPINNEYThe truth will make you fleeTue Oct 24 1989 12:273
    ok ok ok..tri colored = money cat...
    
    
2972.17WR2FOR::CORDESBRO_JOset home/cat_max=infinityTue Oct 24 1989 18:3823
    What is DUIT?  
    
    Also, the solid color Persian class is the first class of Persians
    to be judged. What follows is Tabby, Shaded, Smoke, Particolor
    (includes bi-color, Calico, and Tortoiseshell, and the dilutes of
    those two), and Pointed.  In our area, the largest classes are Solids
    and Particolors.  Since we only get a few Maine Coons in our area,
    we don't have large classes of Calico Coons.  But, we do have some
    cBrown Patched Tabby Coons which are tri-colored.  No doubt, there
    are a lot more solid color Persians in most shows, but the Particolor
    class is a close second.
    
    Another thought, most Maine Coons bred around here are Tabby because
    the judges can't seem to judge a solid, calico, or whatever as well
    as the tabbies.  They are most used to seeing the tabby, feel
    comfortable with judging them, but don't feel comfortable judging
    the other colors.  It is true that color or lack of it on certain
    parts of the cats body can distort the look, and you have to be
    very experienced to judge past that.  Just ask any Persian breeder
    who has a gorgeous typey Tortoiseshell with a orange nose, right
    Cin?
    
    Jo
2972.18What I won't do for a free meal ...VAXWRK::SKALTSISDebWed Oct 25 1989 22:205
    Digital University Institute of Technology (i.e., mandatory fall school
    for just about all software servants in the field). I'm "facilitating"
    the VAX FORTRAN High Performance Option and Vector Tools Sessions.

    Deb