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Conference misery::feline_v1

Title:Meower Power is Valuing Differences
Notice:FELINE_V1 is moving 1/11/94 5pm PST to MISERY
Moderator:MISERY::VANZUYLEN_RO
Created:Sun Feb 09 1986
Last Modified:Tue Jan 11 1994
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5089
Total number of notes:60366

2761.0. "Urinating " by FRICK::TRAVERS () Fri Aug 11 1989 15:02

    I'm looking for a few feline friends - some support - and hopefully
    some advice.   I know the topic of urinating has been discussed
    before...
    
    I'm sure each of you at one time or another has experienced a wetting
    problem with your feline - going where they shouldn't go.  I'm at
    my wits end.  
    
    My cat, Figaro, is eight years old.  Over the course
    of these years she has periodically urinated on my sofa.
    Now the first time this happened - as a kitten-  it was extremely hard 
    to detect as at the time we had a naugahide (leather-like) sofa, and 
    the urine just spilled right down between the cushions (which were NOT
    removable).  Eventually we ended up tossing the sofa.  
    
    We've now got a new sofa and loveseat in the living room and a
    sectional in the family room.   We prayed that once we got rid of
    the old sofa (and the scent) she'd stop.  She hasn't.
    
    Everytime we have an episode, she's seen by the vet and put on medication
    for a urinary infection.  I have cleaned up, sprayed, disinfected,
    etc.  We've changed her diet to a prescription CD.
    
    I have lived with plastic covered furniture (in the living room
    which isn't used frequently) because I cannot trust her.  Today
    I discovered a wet spot on my sectional sofa. I pulled out the
    cushions and find the sofa bed beneath soaked!
    
    I can't tolerate it any longer.  Figaro is a loving cat, has been
    a great companion and comfort to us - but I can't continue like
    this.  It's become embarrassing to have people stop by unexpectedly
    and not be able to sit down till all the plastic is removed... and
    no matter how good these products for neutralizing urine are, I
    can still smell it, especially on humid days.
    
    So, if you were in my shoes, what would you do?  
                                                         
                 
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2761.1some ideasGENIE::KRINERFri Aug 11 1989 15:5716
Has your vet ever treated Figaro for hormonal problems?  It seems that
altered cats sometimes get their hormones out of balance.  Our female 
cat Rainbow (RIP) had this problem, she sprayed, very much like a male
cat would do.  After checking & treating her for a urinary infection,
our vet put her on "doggie birth control" pills (that's what we called 
them, and I'm pretty sure that's what they actually are).  After about
a week & a half, she stopped spraying (at least in the house).

Sometimes, our cats wet where they're not supposed to, because they're
not happy with the condition of the litter box.  You might try changing
it more frequently, or adding another box.  Disinfect the boxes periodically
too, preferably with a product from your vet, stuff like lysol isn't good
for the cats.

Hope it helps,
Paul (Dad to 20 or 21 cats, I'm never sure)
2761.2Your response appreciatedFRICK::TRAVERSFri Aug 11 1989 19:4914
    We visited the vet today and he has determined that she does have
    an infection.  She pee'd all over the examining table and he used
    a syringe to get a sample to examine with a microscope.  So, she's
    back on antibiotics again.  We decided not to treat it as a behavioral
    problem - yet.  He did not mention hormone treatments.
    
    BTW, this is not "spraying" - she's leaving a bladder full of urine
    on my furniture!
    
    Thanks for your help.
    
     ^_^
    (>.<)
     ) ( Jeannie
2761.3And ....BSS::DAHLGRENFri Aug 11 1989 21:393
    See also note 2578.0 for a dietary source of bladder problems.
    
    						-- Ed
2761.4AWASH::NDCNancy Diettrich-Cunniff-I wanted it allSat Aug 12 1989 12:1113
    Jeannie,
      This may be hard, but I suggest you confine her to certain areas
    of the house for a while.  You can let her out when you will be
    there to supervise her 100% of the time.  If its a urinary infection
    its not her fault, but the end effect is the same.  
      Perhaps you could buy two of those "child gates" and stack them
    one on top of the other to keep her either in certain rooms or just
    out of the livingroom.  I priced them at Zayre's for about $16 each.
    WHatever you end up paying for them, its got to be cheaper than
    a new couch!
      Good luck
       Nancy DC
    
2761.5CIRCUS::KOLLINGKaren, Sweetie, &amp; Holly; in Calif.Sat Aug 12 1989 15:1712
    It sounds like she is having some chronic problem with urinary
    tract infections.  I agree that it is not a behavioral problem;
    she can't help what she's doing.  I'd talk to the vet to see
    why she keeps getting reinfected like this.  Could it be that she
    has an infection that's resistent to the antibiotic used, and so it
    keeps flaring up?  The vet needs to do some work here.  By the way,
    when I was last in at the dry cleaners, the counter man told me they
    had just rescued a sofa that had been substantially peed on by a cat for
    some time.  I believe part of what they had done was saturate it with
    one of the enzyme cleaners;  these are much better than regular
    cleaners.  Have you tried those?  One is Nature's Miracle.
    
2761.6I don't know how they did this!ROLL::ANDERSONMon Aug 14 1989 12:3222
    
    	I have a somewhat different problem, but same kind.
    
    	My cat lives with my mother until I graduate college; my mother is
    about to marry and move in with her new husband, who fortunately adores
    my cat as well as hers in spite of allergies.  I have one more year of
    school.
    
    	The problem is that my mother's fiance is very neat and my mother's
    worried about the litter box odor.  She says only my cat (an elderly
    female) uses it, because hers goes outdoors (a neutered male)--I
    believed this until we got an enclosed litter box.  Last time I cleaned
    it, the _walls_ had urine on them, which explained why it smelled worse
    than usual.  But I don't understand how either of the cats could have
    done this--there's not really enough space for a cat to lift his (her?)
    leg.  Sometimes we find urine stains other places in the cellar (same
    room as the box), but I don't think it's because the litter box is
    dirty because there's often fresher urine in the litter.
    
    	So what should I do? Do I have to camp out in the cellar to correct
    any possible mistakes? Or just install a closed-circuit camera in the
    litter box?  :-)
2761.7more than you wanted to know about spraying ;^)WR2FOR::CORDESBRO_JOMon Aug 14 1989 17:1326
    re:.6
    
    Is your female spayed?  
    
    A neutered male that goes outdoors is more likely to start spraying
    than a spayed female who stays indoors all the time.  The male will
    still have to mark his territory so that the other outdoor cats
    will know to stay out of his area.  He does this by spraying.  Once
    a cat learns the spraying behavior, it is hard to break them of
    it.  A cat doesn't lift his leg to spray.  A cat sprays standing
    up on all four feet.  They will left their tail high, and sometimes
    you will see it wiggle a bit.  The urine comes straight out.  A
    cat will almost always spray against something, the wall, a bush,
    the sofa, cabinets, etc.  If you look around your mom's house, at
    about a foot and a half off the floor, that is where you will find
    evidence of spraying, if someone is doing it.
    
    A spraying cat can be given hormones to help curb the desire to
    spray.  These have to be prescribed by the vet.
    
    I think it is more likely that the male is spraying than your female.
    That is, unless the female is not spayed, and is coming into season.
    Females in season will sometimes spray to mark territory, and to
    attract a mate.
    
    Jo
2761.8This calls for private investigation :^}ROLL::ANDERSONMon Aug 14 1989 18:1918
    
    	The female is spayed, but due to her age I was wondering if there
    could be possible kidney problems--but I can't seem to find any puddle
    stains on the floor or newspapers in the cellar (I didn't look higher),
    just a general odor.  The male was neutered sort of late, but I don't
    recall him spraying then.  Would he spray in the house, too, if he does
    in the cellar?  We would have noticed that.  We may have to start spying 
    on the critters, they're usually all alone in the cellar.  I'll have a
    look around the cellar again at a cat's eye level.  I was starting to
    wonder if my cat needed a check-up due to her kidneys or bladder;
    actually maybe both of the cats are the problem.
    
    	I didn't know females sprayed for any reason--we've always had
    neutered pets.  Thanks for the suggestion, but I'm starting to feel
    silly spying on our cats' bathroom habits.  If they'd just tell us!
    
    	Thanks again,
    	Lisa (and Snoopy and Tipper) 
2761.9CIRCUS::KOLLINGKaren, Sweetie, &amp; Holly; in Calif.Mon Aug 14 1989 21:198
    Sometimes it's hard to find the places they've gone outside
    the box.  Try an enzyme deodorizer like Nature's Miracle (I
    feel like I recommend this every day) to remove the smell;
    it will smell worse when the enzyme is working, then the
    smell disappears.  Since your baby is elderly, a checking, mentioning
    tthis possible problem specifically, would probably be a good idea an
    anyway.
    
2761.10Where to buy...FRICK::TRAVERSWed Aug 16 1989 16:278
    Re .5
    
    Where can I buy "Nature's Miracle"?  I work in Marlboro, live in
    Franklin.
    
     ^_^
    (>.<)
     ) ( Jeannie
2761.11Natures Miracle? you can say that againWOODRO::IVESWed Aug 16 1989 17:1910
    I just bought two quarts of it from a supply house in Calif. I paid
    $4.75 per quart and even with the shipping charges ($3.50) it came
    out a lot cheaper than what I was quoted in the stores around here.
    
    I will get all the particulars tonight and enter a note her tomorrow
    with the address.
    
    IT WORKED WONDERFUL.... just like they said it would.
    
    Barbara
2761.12FRAGLE::PELUSOWed Aug 16 1989 17:253
    I just saw in Noah's Ark Pet store in shrewsbury on Rt 9 in White
    City plaza.  It was like $9.00 for a huge bottle.