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Conference misery::feline_v1

Title:Meower Power is Valuing Differences
Notice:FELINE_V1 is moving 1/11/94 5pm PST to MISERY
Moderator:MISERY::VANZUYLEN_RO
Created:Sun Feb 09 1986
Last Modified:Tue Jan 11 1994
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5089
Total number of notes:60366

2434.0. "Dot Zero deleted because of unrelated discussion in .5" by --UnknownUser-- () Fri May 05 1989 14:36

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2434.1That was a wonderful thing to doVAXWRK::LEVINEFri May 05 1989 15:0713
Good for you, John.  I had a similar experience last summer when I was
in Spain and there were cats all over the hotel area.  There were some
I fed at breakfast each morning (the standard hotel breakfast included
a jar of pate which the cats were rather fond of).  And then there was
this sweet natured kitty who hung around the porch of our hotel and came
when I called her.  She was so nice that I thought alot about taking
her back with me. I even took pictures of her, but I thought it would
be impossible to bring a cat back to the US from a foreign country.
I'm not sure whether to thank you for this information because I
might now start bringing cats back every time I go away!

Pam
2434.2Great story!SUCCES::PEAKEFri May 05 1989 15:5333
    You are a wonderful person! I applaud you. In 1983, my husband
    and I visited his family in England. From England we flew to
    Rhodes (Greece). There were thousands of cats there, most of
    them starving. Once we were walking around the ruins of the
    old fortress and I heard a horrible crying. After investigation,
    I saw 6 newborn kittens scattered about rocks, their eyes not
    yet open, and their mother was no where around. I thought that
    either she'd abandoned them, or was looking for food.
    
    I was disgusted with Rhodes because of this. I can't see how
    people can live and see this suffering going on. I also saw
    during my visit some stillborn kittens just laying about here
    and there.
    
    I realize that it is a major problem, but caring people cannot
    stand by and let this go on. I could be wrong, but the impression
    I got was that the people of Rhodes were neither caring nor
    friendly (rude if anything...). I lost a great deal of respect
    for those people -- their ancestors were some of the founders
    of civilized life? Sure!
    
    Anyway, England has very strict requirements about bringing
    animals into their country, so I could not save any of those
    blessed creatures. The only thing I could do was feed them,
    and pray for them.
    
    Again, I applaud your decency and compassion!!
    
    Good luck in your new home, Mimi!
    
    lp
    
    
2434.3CIRCUS::KOLLINGKaren, Sweetie, & Holly; in Calif.Fri May 05 1989 19:163
    Maybe a word in the ear of some of the natives about starting a spay
    and neuter program....
    
2434.5Hamburgers do not equal cruelty JULIET::APODACA_KIIn the Palace of my Shame...Sat May 06 1989 00:1233
    Note to .4  This is NOT aimed at you as a person, I am merely referring
    to a statement in your note.
    
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    Yes, I have thought about it, but the difference between cattle
    and cats is that cattle are raised expressly for consumption (sorry,
    I don't like cruetly to animals, but I'm not so extremist where
    I give up my steak).  Cattle are basically ranged until they are
    taken to the feed lot (yes, I have seen feed lots, the cattle don't
    seem particularly unhappy, but they are not exceptionally demanding
    or intelligent animals, they eat and sleep and poop), then either
    sledgehammered or shot in the head.  Not particularly nice if you're
    the steer, but that's a bit different than, say, shotgunning a cat
    that's cruising around your yard, or running down a dog just cause
    it was on the road, or cutting open a monkey's head to see how it
    ticks and leaving it like that until it dies.  Yes, the way veal
    is raised it not particularly nice, and it is rather grim to picture
    how your steak got that way, but there is slaughter for food and
    animal cruelty, and they are both different.  Animal research is
    indeed a necessary and valuable aspect of science, however, certain
    research is NOT good.  You do not have to spray hairspray in the
    eyes of rabbits til they go blind--any fool knows not to spray
    hairspray in their eyes, and they are not likely to do it until
    they go blind.  
    
    I don't mean to rant--just to point out that there's cruel and uncaring
    attitudes towards animals, and then there's the fact that people
    eat meat.  They are two different things--granted they can overlap,
    but no one should feel bad cause they bought a hamburger.  That
    does not necessarily make anyone a hypocrite.  
                                      
                                                            ---kim