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Conference misery::feline_v1

Title:Meower Power is Valuing Differences
Notice:FELINE_V1 is moving 1/11/94 5pm PST to MISERY
Moderator:MISERY::VANZUYLEN_RO
Created:Sun Feb 09 1986
Last Modified:Tue Jan 11 1994
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5089
Total number of notes:60366

2274.0. "SIAMESE KITTY'S FOR SALE" by --UnknownUser-- () Tue Mar 07 1989 14:23

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2274.1YOSMTE::CORDESBRO_JOTue Mar 07 1989 22:2119
    Don, mailed the contract to you this morning.  You should get it
    in a few days.  You, of course, will have to change the names to
    those of your cats.  Be sure to set a date for the spay/neuter.
    I usually give the buyers 10 months from the date of birth.
    
    A word of caution, don't let anyone come and handle the kittens
    until you have them vaccinated.  
    
    I am interested in the vet's prediction of color.  Lilac is a dilute
    and usually would not be apparent in all 5 litter mates of a seal
    to chocolate breeding.  Sealpoint is the dominant color.  If the
    seal parent is heterozygous seal, you may have blues instead of
    lilacs.
    
    I would wait til they were older to be sure of the color.
    
    Good Luck to you and let me know when you get the contract.
    
    Jo
2274.2*really* not likely to be lilacs!DINSCO::FUSCIDEC has it (on backorder) NOW!Mon Mar 13 1989 16:2630
re: .1, .0 (color)
    
>    I am interested in the vet's prediction of color.  Lilac is a dilute
>    and usually would not be apparent in all 5 litter mates of a seal
>    to chocolate breeding.  Sealpoint is the dominant color.  If the
>    seal parent is heterozygous seal, you may have blues instead of
>    lilacs.

"usually" isn't a strong enough word!

To get lilac points at all, the seal would have to be carrying both blue 
and chocolate, and the chocolate would have to be carrying blue.

If the parents had this genetic makeup, the chances of any *one* kitten of
this breeding being a lilac point is one in eight; seal or chocolate point
is three in eight (for each); and blue point is 1 in eight. 

The chances of one kitten in this litter being a lilac point is therefore 
a bit less than one in two (1-((7/8)^5)).  The chances of *all* *five*
being lilac points is only one in 32768!  (It's like tossing a coin and
getting "heads" fifteen times in a row.) 

>    I would wait til they were older to be sure of the color.

This is good advice.  Many experienced breeders find it hard to figure out
what colors kittens will be at an early age.  (Part of the problem is that
they've been known to change colors a couple times on you!) 

Good luck,
Ray
2274.3I questioned it too....LEDDEV::LINDIt does to work! At least I think so!!Tue Mar 14 1989 14:1710
    Thanks for the advise. It seemed highly unlikly to me that anything
    other than Seal or Chocolate would be likely, and I don't remeber
    the people that I got the cats from mentioning Lilac..  But they
    both mentioned Blue in the Granparents..
                  
    Remembering my old Bio. classes it did'nt make sense..
    
    Thanks again..
    
    Don