Conference misery::feline_v1

    If you find some literature, I could use it too.
    
    There is a note devoted solely to upcoming cat shows, have to go
    look to remember which one.  I can tell you that there's one 
    on April 8 1989 in Plymouth Mass (entry deadline is March 3, 1989
    - early bird deadline is February 14, 1989)  Send me your
    mailstop and I'll send you a copy of the flier I have.  OH - I just
    noticed that this is a CFF show.  Is there some reason that you'd
    only participate in CFA?
      There is one April 1,2 in Concord NH.   It is even possible to
    ask to be benched with other DEC folks.  I'm probably going to
    show my scottish fold and one of my house cats at that one.
      I'll go see if I can find the cat show note and mail you the
    number.
      Nancy DC
    

    NOTE 1093 has all lots of cat show info.
      NHDC

    The best way to find out about CFA shows is to subscribe to the
    CFA Almanac.  It is available from CFA for a fee of $18.00 (once
    a month)  The address is 1309 Allaire Avenue, Ocean, NJ 07712.
    
    Here are some February shows that are in the almanac (please keep
    in mind that I am in California and don't know exactly what states
    constitute the New England area.):
    
    Feb. 11-12 - Staten Island NY - Empire Cat Club - contact Lee Imes
    (716)436-8141 for info.
    
    Feb 25-26 - Warwick, RI - Allbreed CC of the Northeast - Michael
    Sirenski (401)334-3449
    
    March 4-5 - Cortland, NY - Fantastic Felines of Cny. - Lee Imes
    
    March 4-5 - Hauppauge, LI, NY - Paumanok Cat Fanciers - Joan Bernstein
    (516)878-0619
    
    March 11-12 - Danvers, MA - The Improper Bostonians - Jayne Smith
    (508)744-3597
    
    Once you start going to shows, you will get on some of these peoples
    mailing lists and then will be sent flyers for upcoming shows. 
    Also, clubs often pass out flyers to exhibitors at shows.
    
    Jo
    
    

    The 6 New England States:
    
    	Maine
    	New Hampshire
    	Vermont
    	Massachusetts
    	Rhode Island
    	Connecticut
    
    

    I think that the Improper show may not happen.
    
    CFF does recogzine lynxpoints - I think that David should call
    Norma Volpe for some reliable CFF/Oriental information - I have
    sent him mail with the info.
    
    David, who is the breeder of your oriental baby (that sounds like
    a real doll baby !!) ??
    
    E.T.

    re .4 In that case:
    
    April 8-9, Norwalk, CT Maine Coon Cat Club, C.A.T.S. (914)472-9879
    
    April 15-16, Milford, MA - Black Tie and Tails Cat Club - Lee Imes
    (716)436-8141
    
    Looks like Lee Imes knows what is going on with CFA shows in the
    "New England" area.  Looking back over Feb and March, I posted every
    show that was remotely located in the northeast.
    
    The new england area looks to be big on CFF.  
    
    Jo

    Hi Jo,
    
    Yes, we do have CFF in quantity up here.  Jo, I have been hearing
    that CFA is not having HHPs either in their shows at all or that
    they can only show one day of a two day show - 3 or 4 rings.  My
    friend from the mid-west has been telling me this about shows she
    used to attend.  Is that the case in your area?
    
    E.T.

    Don Swanson (our new regional director) puts on show in San Francisco
    at Golden Gate Park about once every 2 months.  He uses the Hall
    of Flowers which isn't very big.  These shows do not take household
    pets due to the lack of room in the showhall.  As it is, we often
    don't have enough room for double cages or groom spaces.
    
    Another club up in Sacramento did not have household pets in their
    show this year because for the last four years in a row, they haven't
    had more than 7 household pets enter. 
    
    Household pets are not being banned from shows here.  At the Turlock
    show, there was an entry of 38 household pets!  I think alot of
    the household pet people show their cats, get their Morris award
    and then stop showing.  We have to get new people interested in
    order to have a nice class of hhp's at the shows.
    
    I have been in charge of publicity for two local shows and have
    put an effort into getting the public interested in showing their
    cats.  I also put notes in the Silicon Valley file before local
    shows telling people about showing their housecats, and how to do
    it.
    
    I got my start showing household pets and I still do show them from
    time to time.  Tilly tied for 5th best hhp in the region last year
    in TICA.  It is true that TICA seems to do more for hhp's than CFA
    does.  They judge them in color classes like the purebreds. But,
    I prefer to show CFA anyway.  We don't have any CFF out here.
    
    I haven't been to a show in my area where the household pets were
    only allowed for one day of a two day show.  Nor have I been to
    one where they weren't shown in every ring.
    
    I did attend a show in Utah were the hhp's came on the second day.
    But they only paid a half fee for it and didn't seem upset about
    it. I thought it was weird.  I have noticed that some of the flyers
    for Southern California shows same "household pets will be judged
    in all rings", I thought that was weird too since they are always
    judged in all rings at our shows.
    
    Jo

    Hmmm.  Interesting - guess it's sort of true out there also.  The
    problem we have up here is that CFA won't P.O.P score the HHPs
    during the season, no titles as CFF does, no Regional awards like
    CFF does, and no National awards like CFF does for us.  CFF prefers
    that the HHPs be "NOT OVERWEIGHT" - that promotes healthy animals
    CFA (up here) thinks that huge (and I mean BIG) hhps are cute !!
    They final and my slender tube doesn't - not that she is a better
    cat, but CFA does seem to like the larger cat - in other words,
    we, up here, have our CFA entries & our CFF entries - keeps 
    thinks interesting.  As soon as one of our HHPs gains too much
    weight to show CFF, we say, well, put him down for the next CFA
    show!!
    
    E.T.

    RE:  .0
    
    Sorry, but I have to say it....
    
    "I am in possession of..."  ???
    
    
    I know you didn't mean anything by it, but I think we have to remember
    that these common phrases of ownership demean the relationships
    we share with our pets.  We are (hopefully) in SUBJECTIVE relationships
    with them, not OBJECTIVE.  Show Cats or Household Harrys, they are
    living creatures that we have the privilege to care for.
    
    Thanks for letting me "preach"  ;-)
    
    Maureen
    

    Funny that the topic of possession would come up at this moment.
    I was just going to enter a new note - I just popped into Canine
    to ask a question regarding a Kennel in my town - the owners have
    some dogs for little or no cost that need homes.  They also breed
    about 5 kinds of dogs, but I don't know anything about them and
    wanted some information (either + or -) before I enter the 
    adoption note.
    
    The interesting thing I noticed was that in CANINE, people refer
    to the "dogs they OWN" 
    
    where in FELINE, we refer to the "CATS that own us" or that 
    "we are owned by our CATS."  
    
    hmmmm  interesting....

    I refer to my cats as being owned by me but that doesn't mean anything.
    With the show cats, I planned a breeding program and went out in
    search of cats of specific lines that would be pets but also would
    add to my breeding program.  Just because I refer to them as being
    "my" cats doesn't mean that I don't love them.  Just because they
    are purebreds selected for their lines doesn't mean that they can't
    be pets too.
    
    I refer to them as being owned by me due to fact that I have
    registration papers stating such and I paid money to have them.  
    In my relationships with them I am the provider and they are the 
    providee's.  Of course both I and the cats benefit from our relationship.
    
    Maybe this doesn't make any sense, but people who have (notice the
    choice of works) show cats tend to think of them as possesions
    as well as pets.  I have other cats that have selected me to be
    their human, but I selected the purebreds.
    
    I just think that a person shouldn't be judged by his/her choice of
    words when refering to the relationship that exists between him/her
    and their cat.
             
    Jo

re: 2195.8

>    it. I thought it was weird.  I have noticed that some of the flyers
>    for Southern California shows same "household pets will be judged
>    in all rings", I thought that was weird too since they are always
>    judged in all rings at our shows.

In this instance, it's not just the Southern Californians.  Usually the 
judging slate will have some all-breed judges, and some long-hair(-only) 
judges, and some short-hair(-only) judges, and perhaps even some LH/SH 
judges, so long-haired cats might have a different slate of judges than 
short-haired cats, but "household pets will be judged in all rings".

Ray

    Ray,
    
    would that mean that a shorthaired HHP would get judged by a
    long-hair(-only) judge?  and vice-versa?
    
    confused as always,
    Deb 

    re: .10 .11
      I've given up - I do refer to the cats as "my cats" but then
    I refer to Jack as "My husband" - so I don't see a difference.
    
    My pet phrases now are "the furry foursome" for my kitties and
    "feline family members" which most accurately describes the
    cats' places in our home.
      Nancy DC
    
    p.s. I think that its the relationship that's important.
    

    Ray, I understand what you are saying, but that is not what I thought
    was weird.  I didn't realize at the time that some Southern California
    shows only allow hhp's in half of the rings.  These flyers were
    meant to tell hhp exhibitors that they will be judged in all four
    rings and not only half.
    
    CFA judges household pets all in the same class, longhairs and
    shorthairs together.  A judge that is doing LH/SH will judge household
    pets. In CFA a cat cannot be judged in more than four rings in one
    day, so if a club has three allbreed judges, a shorthair judge and
    a longhair judge, the household pets will be judged by 3 AB judges
    and then *either* the SH or the LH but not both.  The club usually
    decides when they contract the judges who will do what.
    
    Jo

re: 2195.14

>    would that mean that a shorthaired HHP would get judged by a
>    long-hair(-only) judge?  and vice-versa?

Yes.  HHP's are all judged together in one class.  They aren't separated by 
hair length like the others are.

The classes are:
	short-hair kittens
	long-hair kittens
	short-hair whole cats
	long-hair whole cats
	short-hair alters
	long-hair alters
	household pets

The judges judge this way:
	An all-breed judge judges all classes.  The short-hair and 
	long-hair cats are in competition with each other (but kittens only 
	get judged against kittens, whole cats against whole cats, alters 
	against alters, and HHP's against HHP's).

	A specialty judge (long-hair(-only) or short-hair(-only)) only 
	judges cats in their specialty, plus HHP's.

	Both-specialty judges judge all classes, but do not judge the 
	short-hairs and long-hairs against each other.

Hope this helps,
Ray

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re: .16

Now *that* IS weird, that they'd only judge HHP's in half the rings!

Ray

    .18
    
    Well, guess it's not weird if CFA is trying to eliminate
    Household Pets from show in CFA altogether.  From what I
    am hearing from the midwest, that's what happening.  One
    of my friends said that there is very little CFA left to
    show at because either the HHPs can only show on one day
    or they aren't having HHP classes at all.  
    
    It's funny how associations differ.  This weekend at the
    CFF Haledon, NJ show they had trophies only for the HHPs
    and not the rest of the classes - usually if they have
    them for one - they have them for all!  Different strokes
    I guess...
    
    E.T.

    I don't think that it is an effort of CFA to eliminate HHP's 
    from the shows.  It may be that individual clubs are not allowing
    them at shows in the midwest, but CFA cannot eliminate them without
    making a resolution to change their constitution, and then having
    all the member clubs vote on it.  So many of CFA's breeder got their
    start showing household pets that I don't think that it would ever
    pass.
    
    So far there has been no communication from the central office
    regarding the showing of household pets (I am club secretary for
    one of my CFA clubs and all correspondence from CFA comes to me
    directly).  I am not worried that it is an association wide decision.
    It must be at the club level only.
    
    Jo

    Hmm - interesting.  That's true - it seems with so many clubs doing
    it, it looks like it IS coming from CFA.
    It seems that lots of clubs are doing it.  The
    CFA shows here in this area N.E. usually have 10 - 15 HHPs - when
    that number is reached, they don't take any more HHPs. 
    
    E.T. 

    I am happy to say that we had 23 HHP's in the show this past weekend
    and my other club's show is next weekend and we have 38 entered!
                      
    Jo
    

    Very good numbers!!  It sure is interesting to see the differences
    from area to area!  Around here folks are lucky to have 11 or 15
    HHPs at a CFA show.  Boy, I'd like to see 38 at a show any day.
    This past weekend we have 25 and 24 (Sat - Sun).  
    
    E.T.