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Conference misery::feline_v1

Title:Meower Power is Valuing Differences
Notice:FELINE_V1 is moving 1/11/94 5pm PST to MISERY
Moderator:MISERY::VANZUYLEN_RO
Created:Sun Feb 09 1986
Last Modified:Tue Jan 11 1994
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5089
Total number of notes:60366

1396.0. "Family planning?" by HEART::JUBB () Mon May 23 1988 13:20

    Our female kitten is about 8-10 months old (we're not exactly sure,
    as she came from Animals in Need), and we're wondering whether or
    not to let her have a litter...
    
    One thing that does concern me about her having a litter is if she
    has one and it coincides with a period when there is no-one at home.
    I would not like to think of her being on her own when she might
    need me, or, more selfishly, I would hate to miss the kittens.
    
    Does anyone have any advice on taking steps to control to some extent
    the time she has a litter, and on which stages of a cat's pregnancy/
    kittens' development they would be most likely to need me around.
    
    (I know they are supposed to be able to take care of it all themselves,
    but Tilly is so dependent on human company, I wouldn't like to leave
    her).
    
    Alison
    
    PS: Tilly is an indoor/outdoor cat.  She comes and goes through
        the cat flap as she pleases.
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1396.1Just my opinionDRFIX::IVESMon May 23 1988 13:318
    According to our vet, once a cat has had a litter, spaying becomes
    a more difficult operation, hence it cost more.
    
    What would you do with the kittens?  To have  a litter just for
    the "fun of it" doesn't seem right (to me.) There are so many
    unwanted kittens now.....
    
    Barbara 
1396.2think about itSWSNOD::DALYSerendipity 'R' usMon May 23 1988 13:4721
    If you do not have homes all ligned up for the new kittens, JUST
    DON'T DO IT!  Take a look at the number of kittens/cats in this
    conference that are looking for homes.  Understand that many of
    them will end up being put down because nobody wants them.  Is this
    the sort of thing that you would be setting these kittens up for???
    The fact of the matter is that there are just too many kitties,
    and not enough homes for them.  Look especially at those adoption
    notes for adult cats.  Some are getting rid of the cat just because
    they are moveing and don't feel they want to put up with the hastle
    of arranging for the cat at in the new location (heck of a thing
    to do to a friend, I'd say!).  Therefore, even if you _do_ find a
    home for each new fur face, how good a home it is has yet to be
    seen.  So much for the down side.
    
    On the up side, if you want kittens why don't you "invest" in a
    quality pure breed of some sort.  Then there is a good chance that
    the kittens will be treasured for life.  Even if the original owner
    is unable to attend to the cat's needs, there is a good chance that
    somebody else will want her/him.
    
    Marion
1396.3if you want kittens, check a humane societyTALLIS::ROBBINSMon May 23 1988 13:5116
    Please, Please, Please do not breed her!
    There are so many homeless cats around. So many cats with no one
    to feed them, or give them medical attention, much less to love
    them!
    
    I understand your desire to have the kittens. They're so adorable,
    just irresistable. But, if you want kittens around, go to your
    local animal shelter and choose one (or more) from there. Better
    yet, choose a slightly older cat, one who is much less likely ever
    to find a home, simply because she's grown from a cute little kitten
    into a (still beautiful) cat.
    
    Please have your cat spayed! You'd be doing a lot of good for the
    feline world.
    
    
1396.4A litter too late!LDP::BANGMAMon May 23 1988 14:4917
    I agree with all the previous noters.  Don't let her have a litter.
    And because she is an outdoor cat -- have her spayed immediately!!!
    
    I let my cat have a litter - someone told me that it would make
    her a more docile cat after.  Not really!!!  What I ended up with
    is keeping 2 of the 3 kittens she had.  (You may get 4 or 5) I found
    a good home for one of them, with someone I used to work with, whom
    I see regularly at the Vet's.  I advertised (even though I wanted
    to make sure the kittens were placed with a family I knew) and got
    some strange folks on the line, but not many real interested parties.
    
    Anyway, I love all my 4 cats!  But they are a handful!  Chances
    are that you may end up keeping some (or more than you'd like) of
    the kittens.  Are you ready for that?
    
    Pam
    
1396.5It may be too late to decide!WRO8A::CORDESJAMon May 23 1988 15:4023
    Since she is an indoor/outdoor cat, she may be pregnant already.
    Has she been in heat yet?  If she has you better keep her inside.
    That way if she is not already pregnant, you can have more control
    over the situation.  She really is TOO YOUNG to have babies of her
    own right now.  The chances of her having a difficult birth are
    greater when she is this age.  I would wait and not let her mate
    until she is over a year old.  (In this same situation, I would
    not breed her but spay her.  But the decision is yours to make.)
    
    If she is already pregnant, you ought to start getting her ready
    for the big day.  First, make sure she is healthy and is eating
    a balanced diet.  Calcium is very important to pregnant cats.  Your
    vet may recommend a vitamin supplement for her.  Also, you will
    have to keep her inside or else you run the risk of her finding
    her own place to have her kittens, like under the neighbor's house,
    or out in a field somewhere.  Then you wouldn't be able to find
    her to help her, plus, the kittens wouldn't be able to be handled
    right away.  It is very important for you to handle the babies after
    they are born so that they will be amenable to it as adults.
    
    Think about all of this when making your decision.
    
    Jo Ann
1396.6DO NOT LET HER HAVE A LITTER -- SPAY INSTEAD!CYGNUS::KENNEYMon May 23 1988 16:3412
    Instead of thinking about letting her have a litter, how about
    thinking of all the millions of unwanted kittens and cats that
    are euthanized each and every year ?
    
    The problem is that if your cat has a litter and each of her
    offspring has a litter ...
    
    Sorry if I sound harsh but I've been placing unwanted animals for
    the past 25years and most of the animals that wind up in a shelter
    are euthanized.  PLEASE have her spayed and enjoy her as a pet .
    
    -- Elizabeth
1396.7not a flame- honest :^)TPVAX2::ROBBINSMon May 23 1988 18:0422
    
    
          I realize no one likes to be told what to do or what is best
    but please consider having her spayed.  I too am involved with
    placement and it can be very very depressing at times.  To think
    of the number of furry little innocents that one has found homes
    for and then compare it to the number that are put down can be very
    disheartening at times.  Right now is kitten season,  yes many of
    them will find homes because many people have been waiting for kittens
    but many will not.  I just visited a woman yesterday who works for
    a local humane society who at this time has the grand total of 25
    cats.  Many of them have come to her as strays.  All of them were
    kittens once but just were not lucky enough to be adopted at that
    time.  She knows they will probably always be with her as there
    isn't that much of a demand for older cats out there.  There aren't
    enough people out there like that to match the amount of homeless
    animals.  If you can feel secure that every kitten will have a
    loving good home and hopefully be neutered themselves that's good.
    But otherwise I know I wouldn't be able to sleep at night worrying
    and wondering.  
    
                                                              Kim
1396.8What happened to TillyHEART::JUBBTue May 31 1988 10:1712
    Thank you everyone for your advice.  We thought long and hard about
    Tilly, and decided to do the responsible thing for the sake of other
    homeless cats.  This morning she went to the vets for her operation.
    
    It seems a shame not to give her the fulfilment of having kittens,
    but I know that while we would definitely make sure her kittens
    went to good homes (or otherwise keep them), they would probably
    take up homes that would have been taken up by kittens with less
    conscientious owners.  (After all, Tilly herself was an "unwanted"
    kitten when we adopted her from Animals in Need).
    
    Ali
1396.9Thanks! You probably 'saved' several more.HILLST::MASONExplaining is not understandingTue May 31 1988 11:341
    
1396.10CHEFS::TUDORKIsis & Tarot - the moggie mafiaTue May 31 1988 12:433
    Thanks - it was generous and unselfish of you to come to that decision.
    
    
1396.11Hip Hip Hooray!58019::GERRYGo Ahead, make me PURRRR...Tue May 31 1988 12:562
    Three Cheers!!
    
1396.12What Tilly thought of it all ;*)HEART::JUBBThu Jun 02 1988 16:1811
    Tilly's first reaction when we brought her home after her op. was
    to run behind the washing machine (the most impossible place to
    extract her from), and stay there for 4 hours so that we couldn't
    take her to the vets again.
    
    I was rather worried that she might feel she couldn't trust us any
    more, but I woke on Wednesday morning (the next day) with Tilly
    lying across my shoulders (her favourite place to wait for breakfast),
    so I think she trusts me again ;*).
    
    Ali