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Conference misery::feline_v1

Title:Meower Power is Valuing Differences
Notice:FELINE_V1 is moving 1/11/94 5pm PST to MISERY
Moderator:MISERY::VANZUYLEN_RO
Created:Sun Feb 09 1986
Last Modified:Tue Jan 11 1994
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5089
Total number of notes:60366

1195.0. "Recommendations for Bigfoot?" by MRESS::MIDTMOEN (Andrea and the Gang) Thu Mar 17 1988 13:01

         As you can see from 1194.2, poor Bigfoot has to have one or
    two "bad" claws removed as they are very likely to become ingrown
    or infected.  We don't know how old Bigfoot is, but we figure him
    to be at least 10-15, so any infection at this point that can be
    avoided should be avoided.
    
         My question is:  has anyone had any surgery done by the 
    Shrewsbury Animal Hospital (in, of course, Shrewsbury)?  I've taken
    all three of our cats there for routine exams and shots, and took
    Loki in to have a tooth removed (he's got such a sweet tooth, but
    doesn't want to brush his teeth!), and don't have any complaints.
    I'm just curious if anyone else has used them and any opinions,
    good or bad.  They are, of course, convenient for me because I live
    in Shrewsbury, about 5 minutes from them, but I'm more interested
    in quality than convenience.  Everything I've seen so far has been
    good - they take time to pet the kitties and try to calm them down
    before doing exams.  Oh, yes, I had them dipped there too (and
    Fluffy groomed - he and Bigfoot used to be indoor/outdoor and Fluff
    being long-haired got tons on pine sap in his fur - impossible to
    comb out - had to be clipped some.)
    
         Also, does anyone know how to hold an angry cat so his claws
    can be clipped?  Bigfoot is the sweetest, gentlest animal until
    you try to do anything to him (clip claws, dust for fleas, brush
    fur) - then he turns into a growling, hissing, biting maniac!  I
    took him to the vets yesterday to have his claws clipped, and it
    took two people!  I hate to bring him to the vet once a month for
    clipping, but the claws must be clipped by someone.  If I just had
    some ideas on keeping him calm so I could do it (no problems with
    Loki and Fluffy, at least)...
    
         Thanks!
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1195.1PBA::DALEYThu Mar 17 1988 15:3516
    When you say "bad claws removed" what does that mean? Are you talking
    about cutting the claws or de-clawing. What did the vet say to do
    with the claws? If it has to do with declawing - I would say be
    extremely cautious - as a cat of that age can have lethal reactions
    to anesthesia. The vet showed me where all the claws are on my cats
    were to ensure that I didn't miss any. I clip by cats' claws and they
    are okay but my mother's cat is a true brat.  Sometimes it takes
    two of us to do the job - one to hold him and one to cut, altho
    it can be done by one person. Wrap him in a towel except for the
    paw you will trim. I have to put him on the countertop in order
    to get a good grip on him ( and his towel). And he has 7 toes in
    front and 5 in back. 
    
    Yes indeed, some cats can be next to impossible to trim but it can
    be done.
                        
1195.2CIRCUS::KOLLINGKaren, Sweetie, Holly; in Calif.Thu Mar 17 1988 16:427
    I have a beanbag chair in my living room, and if I tuck a cat under
    my left arm and sit in the chair, the cat can't get any purchase
    to escape.  (For those of you not familiar with beanbag chairs,
    they are very squishy.)  Then various indignities like pill
    administration can be performed.  Fortunately, mine keep their claws
    trimmed themselves on their scratching posts.
    
1195.3A clarificationMRESS::MIDTMOENAndrea and the GangFri Mar 18 1988 11:4727
1195.5Let's talk to *his* vetMRESS::MIDTMOENAndrea and the GangFri Mar 18 1988 12:1016
         No, I don't think he's had any problems before (we've only
    had him for a few years; the people who had him before never took
    care of him, so if he did get infected, he got over it by himself).
    Also, he's an indoor kitty now, where he used to be indoor/outdoor,
    so the risk should be lower.
      
         The vet that I talked to on Wednesday wasn't Bigfoot's regular
    vet, so she didn't know how old we estimate him to be (even Tufts
    couldn't figure it out!); maybe we should reconsider after all.  I
    know he gets terrified every time we take him to the vet's; I'm
    always worried he'll have a heart attack from the ride or the visit.
    I think I will talk to his regular vet and see what she says.  I
    certainly don't want to lose him on account of a couple of claws!
    
         Thanks for the input - I'll let you know what we finally decide.
    
1195.7Final decisionMRESS::MIDTMOENAndrea and the GangMon Mar 21 1988 11:3812
         Well, Howie and I talked it over this weekend and it looks
    like Bigfoot will stay the way he is.  Howie tried to figure out
    Bigfoot's age again (he was his cat before he was ours)  and, as
    near as we can figure, he's at least 10-11 years old.  This doesn't
    make him too good a candidate for "cosmetic surgery" (my vet said
    around 12 years old is the cut-off point, so Bigfoot's just about
    on it).  She too recommended to let him be unless he started getting
    regular infections; just bring him in each month to be clipped (un-
    less we can get him to behave himself, then we'll do it ourselves)
    and make sure to keep and eye on him - if he limps, check it out.
    So the old guy gets a reprieve (boy was he glad to hear that!)!
    
1195.8Extra toes are okay!GRECO::MORGANDoris Morgan DTN 223-9594Wed Apr 06 1988 02:3114
    Alex-I was also a "bigfoot" with baseball-size mitts in the front!
    His thumbs were so big and out at an angle from the rest of his
    paw that it caused him to stand with both front feet angled out
    to the side, like a ballerina doing one of those steps (I don't
    know the name of it)!
    
    The deformity never cause him any real problems, except that he
    had a cute kind of walk.  I did have to keep the other extra claw
    between his thumb and rest of the paw clipped regularly, or it
    would curl back and start to become ingrown.  As long as you take
    care of this potential problem, I think he can safely live with
    his extra, extra toes!
    
    The extra toes are also very common in Maine Coon cats!
1195.9My boys have them, tooVAXWRK::SKALTSISDebWed Apr 06 1988 14:3211
    Argus and Panther are both double pawed, and both had this problem
    with the extra claw growing into the foot pad. I had the extra claw
    removed from Argus (just that one claw between the "thumb" and "fingers"
    on both of his front paws) when Argus was about two years old. Turned
    him from lion to pussycat. I had Panther's extra claw removed when
    he was fixed (about 8 months old). That extra claw can be such a
    problem  in a double pawed cat that I'm surprised that when a double
    pawed cat goes in for "fixing" that vets don't recommend removing
    it at the same time.
    
    Deb
1195.10I wish I had!EDUC8::TRACHMANWed Apr 06 1988 17:479
    Dr. Brody suggested that he do that when I have Ivan neutered -
    but I wasn't smart enough to agree - I said that I could trim
    the nail with no problem so, Let's wait! Dumb! Now, Ivan 
    weighs 12 lbs. - his feet are Huge - and it's hard to trim
    the inside nail.  I still can get to it if I do it facing
    him instead of him on his back on my lap (usual trimming
    position).  Hindsight .....
    
    E.T.
1195.11it may not be too late VAXWRK::SKALTSISDebWed Apr 06 1988 18:4813
    Elaine,
    
    consider having it done now if Ivan isn't too old. Argus was about
    2 when this was done to him, and even though he was knocked out
    for the surgery, he bounced right back, and didn't seem to be in
    any pain, although he was pretty groggy from the surgery. He only
    stayed in the hospital for one day after surgery, and that was just
    precautionary. The vet assured me that it wasn't even remotely as
    traumatic as a full declawing.
    
    Deb
    
    
1195.12I'm going to have Dr. Brody do it!EDUC8::TRACHMANThu Apr 07 1988 13:4014
    Deb, it sounds like a good idea for the summer - 
    he turned a year on 3-1.  I'll probably make the appointment
    on my next visit to Dr. Brody - some of the kids are due
    for their yearly visits.  Some of the younger ones and the
    show kids (they get shots twice a year) also could use a
    dose of "mites-by-mouth", as I call it.  They don't seem
    to have any that I can see, but it can't hurt to treat
    them once a year to keep the whole crew clean and mite-free!
    
    Yup, Ivan old man - that toe is going!
    
    Thanks for the support - I'll tell Ivan what you said tonight!
    
    E.T.