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Conference misery::feline_v1

Title:Meower Power is Valuing Differences
Notice:FELINE_V1 is moving 1/11/94 5pm PST to MISERY
Moderator:MISERY::VANZUYLEN_RO
Created:Sun Feb 09 1986
Last Modified:Tue Jan 11 1994
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5089
Total number of notes:60366

345.0. "Cat Breeders, please sign in here!" by DONJON::SCHREINER (Pussycat, on the prowl...) Fri Oct 10 1986 12:41

    Well, I have decided to start a note for Cat Breeders!!!  If you
    are a breeder, why don't you tell us a little about yourself, and
    the type of cat you breed, if you show, what associations you register
    in, etc.
    
    I'll start:
    
    I breed Persians and Exotic Shorthairs.  My cattery is named:
    Cattyshack, and I register and show in CFA and CFF.  I would probably
    be considered a small breeder, since I only have 5 cats, 4 females
    and 1 male.  I do have kittens periodically, but not all the time.
    
    I have taken a break from showing this past year, but previous to
    that have been showing consistently for about 5 years.  I have had
    Regional and National winners in CFF consistently and this year
    had my first Regional winner in CFA.  I was lucky enough to have
    two cats in the All-American Nationals in 1984/85, Great Balls of
    Fire whom I mentioned earlier was Cat of the Year, and another cat
    of my breeding, Cattyshack's Beginners Luck (I no longer own him)
    placed 10th National.  
    
    I reside in Fitchburg MA.  I do have pet kittens now that will be
    ready to go to new homes just before Christmas.  They are persians,
    and I have 2 white ones, and one red tabby.
    
    As far as color, both with the Persians and Exotics, I breed tabby
    and solids, but mostly tabbies.  When I do have solids, they are
    usually white or blue.  I am owned by: (besides Fire)
    
    Cattyshack's Look Alike - Copper-eyed White Persian female
    Theasaurus' Noname - Blue-Cream Female Persian
    Marsamis Myth of Cattyshack - Red Tabby Female
    Cyndi-Kits Xotica of Cattyshack - Brown Mackerel Tabby Female Exotic SH
    
    
    purrs
    cin
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345.1lovin kittiesSPIDER::PAREFri Oct 10 1986 17:146
    Out of curiosity, how much is a persian kitten?
    I have a beautiful (part black persian) cat who I dearly love and
    I think his unique qualities and personality come from his (part)
    black persian ancestry.  If all persian cats are like him they must
    be wonderful cats.  Keep up the good work.
    Mary
345.2MCALLI/ANJELLICLE CATSUSHS01::MCALLISTERTARDIS Sales and Service Co.Mon Oct 13 1986 13:0645
    HI, 
    I'm Dave McAllister, out of Houston TX.  I breed Maine Coons (the
    largest of the purebred breed, and America's native longhair) and
    Abyssinians (medium of build, but huge of heart).  I've been showing
    in TICA (The International Cat Association) and CFA (Cat Fancier's
    Association) for about 5 years.  Over the last 1.5 years, I have
    shown only CFA, due to a philosophic disagreement with TICA. 
    
    Currently, I am not breeding, due to my current workload and a new
    house.  I usually average 3 maine coon litters a year (12-15 kittens)
    and 1 aby litter a year (3-5 kittens).  I have the following:
    
    Lovabacon's Cap'n Crunch of McAlli, Black/white bicolor maine coon
    male, several years the best bicolor maine coon in the US
    
    Kriedcat's TiGRRlily of McAlli, a brown mackeral/white tabby female
    
    Chaimelle's Nicht Weiss of McAlli, a torbie female. (Her name is
    an inside joke, she has a decidedly noticable locket (lockets on
    her class are disqualifying).  We showed her anyway, through 70
    rings, before any judge ever noticed it.)
    
    Von Becknell's Basrah of McAlli, a ruddy abyssinian female.  Basrah
    is our dominant cat, and the smallest.  She is also the best mother
    in the bunch. 
    
    McAlli's Callista, a tortoiseshell/white female.  She is our fattest
    cat, and the most playful.
    
    McAlli's Doctor Who, a Brown classic/white tabby male. 
   
    two HHP's
    McAlli's Roxanne, a dilute tortoiseshell smoke female.
    McAlli's Rocky Ricocco, a brown tabby/white male.
    
    I have two registered catteries, McAlli for my Maines, (obviously
    and abbreviation of my name, but was chosen for Maine Coon and Alley
    cats), and Anjellicle for my abys.  I currently register only CFA.
    I am a breeder member of the Maine Coon Breeder's and Fancier's
    Association, and the Texas Maine Coonfederacy.
    
    I highly recommend the MCBFA newsletter to anyone interested in
    Maine Coons.
    
    Dave
345.3just a quick question??DONJON::KBLUBAUGHMon Oct 13 1986 15:366
    I have a question for you, Dave.......what is a "noticeable locket"
    on your cat, and why would it be disqualified??
    
    Just curious.
    
    -- kab
345.4i'm not a breeder...HIGHFI::BRODERICKaka <momcat>Tue Oct 14 1986 13:085
    ...but i DO have a passion for siamese (both traditionally
    colored as well as lynx-points) and oriential shorthairs - i
    go to as many shows as i can, and talk with breeders as much
    as possible (i try not to be a nuisance, though :-) ) - i
    also do lots of reading...
345.5Breeding Russian Blues, maybe?26176::GREENEFri Oct 17 1986 02:1919
    I went to the Lexington cat show -- my first.  It was quite confusing/
    interesting/entertaining.  Several breeders were very helpful when
    I mentioned that I am beginning to think about breeding (not just
    yet) my Russian Blue kitten.  I really have no idea what is involved,
    but I have several friends and family members who have expressed
    interest in the kittens someday.  Do I need to show the cat (now
    just about 8-9 months and still "little")?  She comes from a number
    of good show cats in the previous few generations, but I am not
    clear how to determine her "show quality."  
    
    And, I admit, I am more interested in the cats as special and
    affectionate companions than spending my weekends sitting next to
    a cat cage in a crowded room.
    
    DO ANY OF YOU HAVE RUSSIAN BLUES?  I'd enjoy comparing notes.
    
    And thanks, Deb, for your instructions to last week's show!
    
    	Penelope (and Cosette and Fantine and Natalia Mouseky)
345.6It might be fun!!DONJON::SCHREINERPussycat, on the prowl...Fri Oct 17 1986 11:4530
    The best way to determine if your cat is "show" quality is to obtain
    a copy of the standards from the association you choose to show
    in.  The standard will outline for you exactly what the cat should
    look like, and how many points are allowed for each feature.  You
    can compare your cat to the standard and then decide.  Or, you could
    contact other Russian Blue breeders and talk to them, maybe meet
    with them and ask them about your cat.  
    
    There are very few Russian Blues shown, at least in my experience,
    and I only know of one breeder.  In fact, I'm not even sure that
    she is breeding anymore.  I will check, and let you know her name
    and how she can be reached.  
    
    You don't have to show your cat to breed it, although a breeder
    may be more willing to provide "stud service" to a queen with a
    title, i.e. Champion or Grand Champion.  Because of the age of your
    cat, I would say that now may not be a good time to show.  Cats
    are shown as adults starting at 8 months, but they have to compete
    with all of the older cats, when they still have not outgrown
    kittenhood.  If she is small (not sure what size Russians should
    be), that may be either good or bad, depending on the standard.
    
    
    But then, again, it might be fun, and valueable to take her, since
    you may be able to talk to breeders and judges about the quality
    of your cat.  
    
    purrs
    cin
    
345.7Getting close to trying it...!26176::GREENESun Oct 19 1986 11:4525
    Thanks for your suggestions, Cin.
    
    Do any of you know if there might be more (than none!!) Russian
    Blues at the Copley show in Feb -- is it much larger than the recent
    show in Lexington?
    
    Cin, is the breeder you know of near Manchester, NH?  If so, that's
    where I got Natalia Mouseky.  The breeder does have one unrelated
    male I could use for breeding purposes -- that was one of the reasons
    I
    got the kitten then (otherwise all future litters would have this
    male as their father;  I know the breed is highly inbred, but
    still...).
    
    Do I write to CFA for their standards?  Russian Blues are "slight
    of build" in general, but N.M. seems so tiny.  I guess the worst
    that could happen if I enter her amongst a field of "real" adult
    cats is that she wouldn't pick up any prizes, but it would give
    me a chance to see how she reacts to the situation.  What happens
    if there are only one or two of a breed in a show:  no awards? 
    an award to all?
    
    Looking forward to more information and experiences!
    
    	Penelope
345.8You might as well, what have you got to loose!DONJON::SCHREINERPussycat, on the prowl...Mon Oct 20 1986 11:5245
    Penelope,
    
    You should write to CFA or CFF for the standards, I think they cost
    $2 or $3.  You can also purchase copies of the show rules for either
    association.  
    
    If you show your cat, and there isn't another Russian Blue there,
    then you would automatically get "Best of Breed", unless the judges
    didn't feel that she merited an award, then awards would be "withheld"
    or she would be disqualified.  She would also be considered for
    final awards based on her merits.  She would be competing with all
    of the other breeds for these awards.  
    
    But, your right, just the exposure would be good for her, and also
    for you.  
    
    Here are the addresses for CFA and CFF, along with phone numbers.
    I have found that the CFF staff is very helpful over the phone,
    and just the opposite with CFA, but they could at least tell you
    the prices for what you want to order.  
    
    Also, if you wish to show CFF, and your cat isn't registered, they
    have a "Pink Slip" that you can use to register a CFA cat in CFF.
    
    
    CFA
    The Cat Fanciers Association
    1309 Allaire Ave
    Ocean NJ  07712
    201-531-2390
    
    CFF
    Cat Fanciers Federation, Inc.
    9509 Montgomery Road
    Cincinnati OH 45242
    513-984-1841
    
    
    Like I said before, Russian Blues are very seldom seen at a cat
    show.  And, yes, the breeder I know is from the Manchester area.
    I haven't been able to locate her name and number yet (I just moved).
    I think her name was Virginia McFarland, or something like that.
    
    cin
    
345.9A Persian BreederLAIDBK::SHERRICKMon Oct 20 1986 20:5657
    Hi everybody!
    	I breed Persian cats, and show in the CFA.  I have solids, tabbys,
    and particolors.  Like Cin, I would be considered a 'small' breeder
    also with 4 females and 1 male. In addition I have a persian spay,
    who was the first purebred who moved in with me.  I have been breeding
    and showing for about four years now and have about 4 litters per
    year.
    
    That cats living with me are:
    GR CH Myshadows Echo of Beaudee   red male(Beaudee is my cattery name)
    GR CH Connaught Clair of Beaudee  blue cream female
    GR CH Beaudee Annie               red tabby female
    Connaught Maura        (my best producer - though never shown!)
    Anz Adelaide of beaudee    3 mo. old blue and white bicolor female
    
    My spay is:
    CH Poonainilam Tatiana Dee  (aka Baby Dee)
    
    
    re Penelope's questions - Has the breeder of you russian blue
    evealuated the show potential of your cat?  It might be a good idea
    to have her look the cat over for you, and give you tips on show
    grooming.  A cat can change quality drastically from kittenhood
    to 8 months.  If she has not seen it in a long time she may be
    suprised.  I have seen kittens that I sold as pets turn into grandable
    cats!  Russian blue breeders seem to be fairly abundant in CFA -
    at least in the area I am accustomed to showing - east coast between
    connecticut and viginia.  Try checking out the CFA shows near you,
    the russians might turn out to be a more popular breed there than
    in the CFF.  Who knows though - the popular breeds (and colors)
    of cats vary greatly from area to area.  If you can't get an evaluation
    ahead of time, and find yourself without competition (in your breed)
    at a show, then feel free to ask the judges (after the finals!)
    what they think of the quality of your cat.  Also try asking the
    breeders of siamese or oriental S.H. cats, as they will probably
    be more familiar with the russian blue standard than other breeders.
    
    To the person wanting to know how much persian kittens go for:
    It REALLY depend on where you live.  I understand that in europe
    kittens are far less expensive than in the U.S.  In the New York
    and Los Angeles areas well bred (ie GR CH lines) kittens of pet
    quality sell for $250-$400 (well under pet shop prices in those
    places).  In colorado  (Debbie B. should verify this) the same quality
    kittens would sell for $75-$150!  Other areas of the country vary
    according to supply and demand.  Other breeds also vary in price
    according to supply and demand.  Rare breeds may run at $400-$700
    for pet quality kittens!  The best way to determine the prices in
    your area is to attend a show.  I won't get into prices of show
    quality cats - it can be pretty outrageous - some people will pay
    a VERY high price to get a winner!
    
    This is a great conference people!  Keep it up!
    
    cheers!
    
    Molly
    
345.10Another Persian BreederBLITZN::BITTROLFFDebbie BittrolffThu Oct 23 1986 13:1022
    Hello,
         My name is Debbie Bittrolff, I breed Persian Cats and show
    in the CFA.  I live in the Colorado Springs area and show my cats
    in Colorado and the surrounding states.  
         I am still a small breeder although my numbers seem to be 
    increasing dramatically this year.  I have 13 cats of which
    3 are neuters, 4 are under 4 months, leaving 4 females that are
    breeders and one that will in a few more months and one male 
         I have primarily bred solid colors but will in the next year
    have silvers and bi-colors.
         I have been showing for 2 years now and have championed 4
    of my cats and am now in the process (I hope) of granding one and
    possibly two of my cats.  
         For those in Colorado there is a show this weekend at the
    city auditorium (Oct 25-26).  I'll be there as will Molly Sherrick
    would like to meet any other cat lovers, there will be over 200
    cats of all types and sizes.
         I love to discuss cats almost any time!
    
    
    					Debbie
    
345.11NEW BIRMAN BREEDERPUZZLE::CORDESJAThu Oct 23 1986 23:0737
    Hello,
    	My name is Jo Ann Cordes Brown and I am starting up my cattery
    this year.  I will be breeding Birmans.  Are any of you familiar
    with this beautiful cat?  My cattery name is still pending with
    CFA so I will enter that later on.  I just purchased my first show
    kitten from a breeder that relocated to the east coast in March.
    I am in California.  Birman breeders follow a tradition of naming
    their kittens with a letter that corresponds to the year they are
    born.  Kittens born in '86 should be named with a "J".  For example,
    Julianna, Justin etc.
    
    If you have any suggestions for a "J" name for a very feisty sealpoint
    female Birman, please advise.
    
    
    For those of you unfamiliar with Birmans, they are the Sacred Cat
    of Burma.  A one time they were the temple cats.  They are a pointed
    cat (marked like a siamese) with a long coat and blue eyes.  They
    are a different breed than Balinese or Himalayan.  Their distinguishing
    features are:
    
    		They must have white gloves on the front paws and
    		white laces on the back paws
    
    		They are the only longhaired cat that's coat will not
    		matt
    
    
    I also have three household pets which I show in TICA and CFA
    They are WINSTON CHURCHILL, JAMES MONROE, AND JESSE JAMES.
    Winston and Jesse are Maine Coon mixes, and Monroe is domestic
    shorthair.
    
    Wintly won the Morris Award at a show in San Jose CA
    CA.  		
    are a
    
345.12A sudden tragedy!26176::GREENEFri Oct 24 1986 11:1828
    Thanks to everyone for their encouragement and information.
    
    Natalia Mouseky, the little Russian Blue from New Hampshire, was
    put to sleep very suddenly this week, less than 24 hours after the
    first suspicion of FIP (see note 360 for someone else's experience).
    
    I have already located possible replacements, but we are first awaiting
    the results of two-stage blood titres on my two older cats.  Assuming
    we are a safe household, I'll start over again, this time with the
    relative of a 1st in nation several years ago.  Should be fun!
    
    In retrospect, the vet thinks that an acute illness when N.M. was
    just 3-4 months old was probably the first sign that got misdiagnosed.
    It also explains why she seemed to stay so little, even for a small
    breed.
    
    It was devastating -- I had no idea it would be so difficult to
    lose her after 6 months with us.  One comforting thought is that
    there was nothing that could be done, and she spent all but the
    last day at home with us rather than spending time being lonely
    at the cat hospital.  I held her and whispered to her as the vet
    gave her the injection.
    
    Any additional information about the aftermath of FIP would be quite
    welcome, either via FELINE notes or directly to GLINKA::GREENE.
    
    Thanks,
    	    Penelope
345.13FEWSEE Felines -- Tonkinese breedersSCOTCH::FUSCIDEC has it (on backorder) NOW!Sun Oct 26 1986 02:1742
My wife Eileen and I breed Tonkinese, the mink-coated, people-oriented cats
mentioned a few times in this conference. 

Our cattery name is FEWSEE, which is the phonetic pronunciation of our last 
name.  We register our cats in CFF, CFA, and TICA, but we haven't shown 
much in TICA.

We are also a small cattery.  The current horde is as follows:

	Samson, a household pet.  He's four years old, and the cause of all 
	this.  Sam is a neutered male, and runs the house.  Everyone likes 
	Sam.  Sam is "my" cat.

	Gr. Ch. Shanfoo's Lily Leilani of Fewsee.  Lily is two years old, 
	and our first show cat.  Lily only likes Sam and Eileen.  She's a 
	complainer, and very timid.

	Ch. Fewsee's Pepperanne Lily.  Pepper is one year old, and is 
	Lily's daughter.  Pepper's a lot like her mother, but ever since I 
	helped her with her first litter a month ago, she doesn't run every 
	time I get close, and will even come around for a cuddle.

	CH. Spielzeit's Karlchen Braun of Fewsee.  Charlie is a whole male, 
	and has a room to himself (albeit with lots of visits).  Charlie is 
	the "dumb jock" type -- looks good, but "no brain, no pain".  Likes 
	most everyone, but hates going to cat shows, so we haven't been 
	showing him lately.  Charlie is one year old.

	Our newest member is Connacht's Caitlin of Fewsee.  Katie started 
	out as "my" cat, but seems more even-handed with her favors lately. 
	She's done real well as a kitten, and will be shown as an adult (8 
	months old) in November.  If anyone's going to try to rule the
	roost, it's going to be Katie.  It's kind of strange watching her 
	chase Sam around the the house, and wrestle with him, being half 
	his size, (and Sam, once he figures out that it was Katie who 
	jumped him, patronizing her by falling over!)

We live in Hollis, New Hampshire.  We occasionally have pet kittens for 
sale.  Like most cat owners, we're happy to talk about our cats, and 
welcome inquiries.

Ray
345.14MySinhs Cattery in CaliforniaPUZZLE::CORDESJAFri Nov 07 1986 18:3244
    re 11:
    
    I finally received word from CFA about my cattery namme.  It is
    really a coincidence that my first choice was turned down because
    someone else had it and that someone is part of this notes file.
    
    The name is MySinhs and I am Breeding Birmans.  The name comes from
    Sinh, the name of the first Birman cat in the temples of Burma,
    and the possesive , my.  
    
    My kitten's name will be Sacrechat Joie de Vivre of MySinhs.
    
    I have also registered my household pets with my cattery prefix.
    The Happy Household Pet Cat Club will do this for a nominal fee.
    Most associations will honor this registration and print the names
    and numbers in there catalogs.  That is about the only benefit there
    is to registering household pets.  The club does give out awards
    at the end of the season but the cats don't have to be registered
    to win.
    
    This is the current lineup:
    
    MySinhs Winston Churchill- Blue classic tabby with white.  Currently
    on the "injured reserve" due to a bout of FUS. He is a Maine Coon
    type.
    
    MySinhs Jesse James- Shaded Silver Tabby.  Over 13 and still going
    strong.
    
    MySinhs James Monroe- Cameo Mackerel Tabby.  He is entered in his
    first show this weekend.  He was just "re-activated" last week.
    
    Sacrechat Joie de Vivre of MySinhs- Sealpoint female.  On the roster
    but still too young to get in the game.
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    MySinhs Jesse James- 
    
345.15Russian Blue'sPUZZLE::CORDESJAFri Nov 07 1986 18:4314
    Russian Blue Breeders:
    
    Kaztenburg- Ingeborg Urcia/ PO Box 36/Cheney WA,99004/(509)239-4450
    
    Nuance- Marge and Bob Jackson/5010 Madison St/Hollywood,FL
    33021/(305)981-1485
    
    Bluegenes- Judith Kethley/533 Elgin/Forest Park IL 60130/(312)771-5589
    
    Millermeows- Dixie & Jason Miller/2840 March/Zachary LA
    70791/(504)654-7016
    
    Jo Ann
    
345.16I couldn't get Cattyshack in TICA!!!DONJON::SCHREINERdanger zoneFri Nov 07 1986 19:008
    I have to ask....what was your first choice???
    
    
    I love the cattery name that you got, even if it was your second
    choice.
    
    cin....
    
345.17I like Kitty City!DONJON::SCHREINERdanger zoneFri Nov 07 1986 19:0514
    Oh yeah, I wanted to also add....CFF registers Household pets, and
    scores them for Regional and National awards.  They have a Top 10
    Household Pets, just like they have a Top 10 for kittens, whole
    cats, and alters.
    
    I read another entry in this notes file that had a reference to
    being called "Kitty City"....I think this would also make a great
    Cattery name!!!
    
    BTW, when I registered CATTYSHACK with CFA and CFF, it was my 4th
    choice, I think!!!
    
    cin
    
345.18CatCity was one of my choicesPUZZLE::CORDESJATue Nov 11 1986 20:4428
    My first choice was Jellicle, but there are a few variations of
    that out there.  My second choice was Catcity ... as in:
    
                 
                    Going to a cat show...
                    dah dah daaahhhhh
                    bompa bompa bomp...cat city
    
    
    This was made up to the tune of some song which I can no longer
    remember, but my husband and I have a great time singing it to the
    cats before a show.  It was turned down because there is a Maine
    Coon cattery by the same name.  I wonder if they know this song.
    
    My third choice was The Mad Catter.  This was unacceptable because
    it includes spaces.  I could have run it all together but I didn't
    like the effect.
    
    My fourth choice was MySinhs which I received.
    
    My fifth choice was StarEiis as in starry eyes.  They took my fourth
    choice so this one never got evaluated.
    
    Did you pick another name in TICA?  This has happened to a few other
    people.  For example McAlle/Anjellicle.  Also Annbirwaves/Tlingel.
    
    Jo Ann
    
345.19Everyone has their own opinion...here's mine!DONJON::SCHREINERdanger zoneWed Nov 12 1986 11:3923
    No, I  never did pick another name in TICA.  I decided that since
    my Cattery was the same in CFA and CFF that I would just register
    individual cats that I wished to show.  Because of the problems
    I had with TICA returning my money when I made this request, I later
    decided that I wouldn't even bother registering the cats.  So, if
    I want to show in TICA, I always show my cats as novices.  The points
    they score still count towards All-Americans, even if the cats aren't
    registered TICA.  That is the only reason I would show TICA anyway.  
    
    Personally, I don't think the TICA points are worth the money you
    have to pay for them.  Maybe it was just a bad experience on my
    part, but I find that TICA doesn't judge persians to the standards
    that I believe in.  I have also found the same thing with ACFA,
    and after my last experience with ACFA, I will NEVER show a cat
    in that association again.  
    
    Has anyone else had any experiences with either of these associations?
    I would love to hear some other opinions.
    
    purrs
    cin
    
                                 
345.20More Russian Blue BreedersPUZZLE::CORDESJAWed Nov 12 1986 22:4212
    Melton Meadow Russian Blues-Wilhemina Baker/Box 398/Dauphin, Manitoba
                                Canada R7N 2V2/(204)638-9337.  She also
                                breeds Birmans.
    
    Road's End Pets Russian Blues-RFD 1/Merrill Rd/Candia NH 03034
                                (603)483-2128.
    
    If you still need more names let me know.
    
    Jo Ann
    
    
345.21A good experiance..MIGHTY::WILLIAMSBryan WilliamsThu Nov 13 1986 17:0912
    
    RE: .20
    
    I'm not a breeder (read: yet), but I do own a Russian Blue. I bought
    him as a wedding present from the aforementioned Road's End Russian
    Blue cattery. The lady who runs it (her name is Virgina) is very
    helpful and knowledgeable. She does like to talk, so plan on staying
    awhile.
    
    Good luck,
    
    Bryan
345.22I'm not recommending Roads End anymore!DONJON::SCHREINERdanger zoneThu Nov 13 1986 17:5513
    I also recommended Roads End, but after talking to Penelope Greene,
    I'm not so sure that I'ld recommend them again.  Maybe anyone
    considering dealing with Virginia McFarland (that's her name) should
    talk with Penelope first, she had a rather "interesting" experience.
    
    I think it may also be documentated a little earlier in this or
    another note.
    
    Penelope, can you help us with this one!!
    
    purrs
    cin
    
345.23While you were typing, I was phoning!GLINKA::GREENEThu Nov 13 1986 18:3620
    Thanks, Cin -- I had already phoned Bryan.  Among other things,
    to see if it was little Natalia Mouseky's sibling (it wasn't, but
    it WAS one of the 3-week old cuties I saw when we picked up N.M.)
    
    All in all, after talking with literally dozens of breeders and
    vets this past month, my main concern about Road's End was not so
    much that we had an unfortunate experience, but how she handled
    it.  Almost every other breeder indicated that they would have made
    some special arrangement, ranging from a replacement kitten if a
    cat gets FIP within 2 years (!) to a reduced fee for a replacement.
    All I heard from Virginia (and keep in mind i had *just* held N.M.
    while she was put to sleep about 3 hours earlier and I was in tears)
    was not only NO sympathy, but a flat REFUSAL to call me (50c phone
    call) when she had more kittens--she said I'd have to keep calling
    her every few weeks to inquire.
    
    So, her cats may usually be fine, but if there's that occasional
    problem, I'D rather be dealing with someone else!
    
    Penelope
345.24What do you feed your show cats?PUZZLE::CORDESJAFri Nov 21 1986 16:259
    I have a question for all my fellow breeders:
    
    What do you feed your cats and kittens?  Do you give them vitamins
    and if so what type?  Do any of you have a special mixture for runt
    kittens?  What about senior citizens?  Any type of info on food
    will be appreciated.
    
    JoAnn
    
345.25This is what works for me...DONJON::SCHREINERdanger zoneFri Nov 21 1986 19:1213
    I feed strictly Science Diet Maintenance dry.  I also give felobits
    vitamin tablets about twice a week.  
    
    For kittens I feel the SD mushed up with water as a staple.  They
    also get Amore' Canned Food in the evenings.  
    
    I have found that this works out very well for me.  My persians
    are all fat and are carrying nice long shiney coats.  
    
    What about everyone else??
    
    cin
    
345.26This works for meBLITZN::BITTROLFFDebbie BittrolffFri Nov 21 1986 21:0118
    I give my cats/kittens a variety.
    
    Everyone gets Iams dry food which is out and available all day.
    They also all get pet beef about 3oz apiece each day. (This is like
    raw hamburger with more fat and gristle.)  Then nursing mothers
    and kittens also get a canned food - Friskies Buffet - any of the
    poultry varieties mixed with equal portions of cottage cheese.
    This keeps them all in good weight and their coats look great.
    
    I tried to use Science Diet at one time but they didn't hold 
    their weight as well.  I think that the food was too hard for them
    to chew so they did't eat as much as they should.  They did OK
    but they are in better weight now.
    
    I think I feed my cats better than I do my family sometimes.
    
    						Debbie
    
345.27Maybe she has jet lag?PUZZLE::CORDESJAMon Nov 24 1986 18:1614
    Once more I need advice from the more experienced out there.  Picked
    up my new kitten Saturday morning.  She is 13 weeks old now.  The
    little thing just moved right in and made herself comfortable in
    her new home.  She seems to be very happy and content, BUT... she
    has not eaten a thing yet.  She is drinking lots of water so I'm
    not concerned about that, but I can't get her to eat. The breeder
    sent food info with her and also some Iams kitten food.  The breeder
    says that she has been feeding her a variety of foods.  I have tried
    the Iams, Feline Growth (wet and dry), Amore, and 9 lives.  Am I
    over reacting?  It is now Monday and I haven't seen her touch a
    bite of food.  Help!
    
    JoAnn
    
345.28I think maybe she just wants extra attention!DONJON::SCHREINERdanger zoneMon Nov 24 1986 19:388
    She might be eatting and you haven't seen her, how does she feel???
    You should probably try giving her some Nutri-Cal or another type
    of supplement just in case....if you want to try to coax her to
    eat, maybe try some meat baby food.  Be careful not to spoil her!!
    
    Purrs
    cin
    
345.29Funny things happen when you add a kitten!PUZZLE::CORDESJATue Nov 25 1986 17:5225
    She is finally showing an interest in food.  Last night when I got
    home I offered her some canned Feline Growth and she gobbled it
    up.  I think I just overreacted due to the fact that her birth weight
    was lower than the rest of her litter and the breeder has been
    monitoring her progress for me for the last 3 months.  She had
    surpassed two of her litter mates and I didn't want her to loose
    any ground.  We have been offering her dry food all day and canned
    food twice a day.  This morning while getting ready for work, I
    was reminded very vocally that it was time for breakfast.
    
    One very unexpected thing has come out of having a kitten in the
    house.  I thought that my 13+ year old Maine Coon mix would have
    a really hard time accepting a newcomer.  I had originally wanted
    to buy an adult breeding female but chose a kitten instead because
    of him.  Last night her actually sought out the kitten to sleep
    with!  This morning when I got up,  I went into the cat room to
    get something, and there was Jesse(the oldtimer) in the middle of
    the room, surrounded by toys, battling it out with a fur mouse (toy)!
    
    This cat has not played for about the last two years.  I couldn't
    believe my eyes!  He just looked up at me with a look of sheer joy.
    It made my day.
    
    Jo Ann
    
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345.31Yet another question from the novicePUZZLE::CORDESJAMon Dec 01 1986 21:3312
    Here's another question for the rest of you to help with.  Let's
    discuss the advantages and disadvantages of entering a show kitten
    in it's first show at the tender age of 4 months (to the day).
    
    I'm trying to decide if I should show her right away or wait a month
    or so and let her get a little more settled.  Do judges take into
    consideration the fact that some kittens go through an ugly duckling
    stage as far as their development goes?
    
    Please advise
    
    JoAnn
345.32What do you have to lose, except the entry fee?DONJON::SCHREINERdanger zoneTue Dec 02 1986 14:2817
    Anytime you show a young kitten I feel your at a disadvantage. 
    You have to compete with the older kittens and there's quite a
    difference between a 4 month old and an 8 month old.  Judges are
    supposed to take into consideration the age of the kitten, but it's
    awfully hard to determine what a 4 month old is maybe going to look
    like at 8 months.  
    
    Personally, I think it's good to show them young.  Even if they
    don't do anything as far as awards are concerned, they at least
    get the experienced and are less likely to be nervous or jittery
    when they reach their really prime kitten age.  
    
    If you have a nice kitten I'ld go for it!!!
    
    purrs
    cin
    
345.33Anybody home?????PUZZLE::CORDESJAMon Jul 06 1987 23:0925
    Hello everybody!!
    
    I don't know if any body looks in on this note anymore but I stopped
    into the office for a few minutes and wanted to say hello to everyone.
    
    I also want to thank all of you that have sent get well cards to
    me.  It was such a joy to get mail from all over the country!  It
    really helped to keep my spirits up.
    
    The Cordes Brown household has a few new additions lately (of the
    fuzzy feline kind, anyway).  A new female Birman will be arriving
    in just two weeks and we recently (reluctantly) added another household
    pet kitten.  She was a rescue case that we took in, vaccinated,
    felv tested, de-ear mited, de-fleaed, de-wormed and had planned
    to find a good home for.  Well we did find her a good home...with
    us!  AFter all that work, it was hard to give her up.  But our
    intentions were good.
    
    Congratulations to all of you on your new litters and on your regional
    awards and such.  Hope to get my terminal at home working soon so
    I can play in notes every now and then.
    
    Bye for now....
    
    Jo Ann Cordes Brown
345.34In search of a White Persian KittyFREKE::JOHNSONCalgon... Take Me Away!!Wed Nov 16 1988 12:1617
    
    
    Hi,
    
    My mother has finally broken down and is going to let me get a cat.
    My family and I really would like a white persian kitten.  (Do some
    of them have blue eyes?).  My mother is admant on getting a kitten
    rather than a cat.  I live in Nashua, NH.  Does anyone know of someone
    who might have some white Persian kittens for sale in the NH area?
    I hope so because I want to get one before my mother changes her
    mind!
    
    Thanks!
    Chris
    
    FREKE::JOHNSON
    
345.35CLUSTA::TAMIRACMS design while-u-waitWed Nov 16 1988 18:589
    Chris,
    
    Give Allison VanStry a call.  She's in the Nashua Phone book.
    She has a beautiful white boy who fathers some real nice kids. 
    They are copper-eyed.
    
    BTW, I've got a white and cream Himmy.  Are you sure you want to
    put forth the effort to keep that little pushed in face nice and
    clean?  
345.36TOKLAS::FELDMANPDS, our next successWed Nov 16 1988 21:2414
    Some white cats, of any breed, have blue eyes.  This type of blue
    eye is frequently associated with deafness.  There are even cases
    where only one eye is blue, and only the corresponding ear is deaf.
    Deafness may not matter to you, especially if the cat is strictly
    an indoor cat.
    
    Siamese cats have blue eyes, but it's a different shade of blue,
    and isn't associated with deafness.
    
    I tend to agree with .35.  Longhairs in general require more care than
    shorthairs.  Depending on the source of your mother's reluctance, you
    may want to consider a kitten that take less care.

       Gary
345.37Want female kittyUSWAV1::JENKINSThu Nov 17 1988 20:2317
    I am considering getting a female kitten for show/breeding.  Because
    I am a dog breeder I require a very social kitty as I really do
    want it to be a house kitty.  I understand the Birman Cat does not
    require extensive coat grooming that most longhairs require and
    I simply must have a long hair.  I have always fallen in love with
    the hima. cats but I don't think it is the breed for me.  Could
    anyone out there give me any ideas about what breeds seem to have
    intelligence and are social?  I live in the NH area and definitely
    must deal with someone reputable and fair.  I have 10 years experience
    showing and breeding Shetland Sheepdogs and therefore know the
    importance of dealing with someone reputable and fair.
    
    Any help would be appreciated.
    
    Nancy
    263-6067
    
345.38YOSMTE::CORDESBRO_JOFri Dec 02 1988 22:485
    Nancy, I hope that I have mentioned that Birmans are not known for
    their intelligence!
    
    Jo Ann_who_can_say_that_since_she_lives_with_15_of_them_right_now!
    
345.39Spotted Silver Shorthair WantedMARKER::AREGOFri Dec 30 1988 13:315
    Looking for a Spotted Silver British Shorthair.  Have not seen any
    in person, but I have seen other spotted breeds.  If you know of
    a breeder for these felines, please write to MARKER::AREGO.
    
          Thanks
345.40YOSMTE::CORDESBRO_JOFri Dec 30 1988 14:146
    Spotted may not be a recognized pattern in the British Shorthair.
    If it isn't, you may have trouble finding a purebred one.  Have
    you considered one of the other spotted breeds?  I understand that
    Occicats are wonderful cats.
    
    Jo
345.42Egyptian MauVIDEO::TAYLORCat lovers are a special breed!Fri Dec 30 1988 14:325
    Egyptian mau's are wonderful cats.  BEAUTIFUL!!!  and there are
    silver ones.  
    
    Holly
    
345.44YOSMTE::CORDESBRO_JOFri Dec 30 1988 20:0814
    Gail Allen out here in California.  Also Duncan Knox out here in
    California.  Both are good people, I see them alot at shows.  I
    know that Duncan has had silvers before but I don't know about Gail.
    
    Since I don't have any cat magazines with me here at work, I can't
    give you their numbers.  Try the breeders directory in Cats and
    Cat Fancy magazine.  
    
    Occicats are very large, with short hair and spots.  They seem to
    have a wonderful temperament.  I have noticed at the shows that
    even the whole males are easily handled by the judges (can't be
    said about all whole males).
    
    Jo
345.45Spotted British are recognized in CFF - pretty kittiesCUPMK::TRACHMANZhivagoCats, Ltd..The Inn is Full..264-8298Tue Jan 03 1989 16:4210
    re:39
    
    Yes, spotted Brits are recognized in CFF - my friend will be
    breeding spotted brown tabbies very soon - there is a lot of
    silver in the line.  She will also be breeding scottish folds.
    
    If you are interested, send me mail and I will give you her
    phone number.
    
    E.T.