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Conference misery::feline_v1

Title:Meower Power is Valuing Differences
Notice:FELINE_V1 is moving 1/11/94 5pm PST to MISERY
Moderator:MISERY::VANZUYLEN_RO
Created:Sun Feb 09 1986
Last Modified:Tue Jan 11 1994
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5089
Total number of notes:60366

42.0. "Cat Food" by DELPHI::CALLAS () Mon Oct 08 1984 17:10

This came from the Info-Cobol mailing list. I pass it on without comment.

    Jon

From:	RHEA::DECWRL::"G.EGK@SU-SCORE.ARPA" "Edjik" 27-SEP-1984 15:47
To:	Info-COBOL@MIT-MC.ARPA
Subj:	[the tty of Geoffrey S. Goodfellow <Geoff@SRI-CSL.ARPA>: Cat Food.]


S.F. Sunday Examiner & Chronicle

                     BOY AND HIS PET PYTHON GIVE
                      NEW MEANING TO `CAT FOOD'

LA GRANDE, Ore. (UPI) -- A 15-year-old boy who scanned newspaper ads
for free kittens to feed his pet python "doesn't look at it as being
cruel," his mother says.

"He looks at it as just feeding his pet snake," said Pam Lewis, whose
son, Tim Barricklow, is the target of complaints.

"We don't feel like we're killing pets," Lewis said of the 9-foot-long
and growing snake, whose appetite is moving beyond the kittens stage.
"We're keeping one alive."

The boy responded to several newspaper classified ads offering free
kittens  earlier this summer.  He picked up kittens in La Grande,
Island City and Cove, Ore.  He also said he received three alley cats
from a La Grande pet store, two of which were fed to the snake.

The third was returned to the store because the snake refused to eat
it, he said.

"To me, it's no more inhumane than the Humane Society gassing them,"
his mother said.

Nevertheless, Lewis said, Barricklow stopped feeding kittens to the
snake, named Apache, because the python continues to grow and needs
bigger meals.

Several complaints against the boy have been filed with the Oregon
State Police, the La Grande Police Department and the Humane Society.

Barricknow insisted that the diet is part of the natural food cycle
and said using the animals as food is not as bad as making snakeskin
purses and boots.

He said the snake was underfed when he got it about a year ago.  He
began feeding it a constant diet of mice and rats, and as it returned
to good health its appetite increased until he was feeding it 16 rats
a week.

Once the 25-pound reptile reaches full growth of about 20 feet, it
will demand larger animals such as pigs or baby goats, he said.
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42.1ELUDOM::WINALSKITue Oct 09 1984 06:139
Well, kittens may not be the natural prey of pythons, but I see nothing
intrinsically wrong with the act.  The only grounds for complaints that I can
see is that the kittens were obtained under false pretenses.  The suppliers
of the kittens probably thought they were going to be kept as pets, and
probably would have refused to make them python fodder.  I think the boy has
a point about the relative merits of "humane" society's neutering and gassing
policies vs. feeding the unwanted animals to a python, though.

--PSW
42.2BERGIL::WIXWed Jul 10 1985 15:4012
I took up the topic with a friend here at work whose son has several
constrictors. These snakes are feed on a diet of fresh fish. He says that
it takes a while to transfer them over while they are young but that he has
had 100% success with this program. It seems preferable to me to use fish
for this than cats. I admit that I value cats more than I value fish and
that while I am sure a fish suffers in its own way when netted, I find the 
thought of a cat suffering in that way much more disturbing.


							.wIx.


42.3VAXUUM::DYERWed Jul 10 1985 19:542
	[RE .2]:  Probably because they are mammals like ourselves.
		<_Jym_>
42.4Cats for SnakesDSSDEV::MURPHYIs it Friday yet?Mon Apr 21 1986 19:309
    
    Personally, I'd rather have my cats put to sleep rather than suffer
    the anguish of being crushed and eaten by a damned snake.  As for
    the kitten being the "natural prey of pythons", I don't think there
    are too many domestic cats/kittens in the jungles where these snakes
    reside - maybe you're referring to leopards or other larger wild
    cats?  I think the boy should have never gotten an "exotic" pet
    in the first place (but that's another story).
    
42.5my 2centsASGMKA::WARDFri May 23 1986 14:4017
    This is my first time using NOTES for anything besides reading,
    so please bear with me.  Now to the issue at hand.  
    
    My concern is that if the snake, when full grown, will eat pigs
    or baby goats, what about small children?  Particularlly if it escapes
    (OH HORROR).
    
    Personally, I think snakes and other "exotic" animals should not
    be allowed as pets.  
    
    That's my two cents worth.  
    
    By the way, I've really enjoyed this notes file, even though we
    don't have cats, YET!  Our landlord is not a cat fancier, or any
    other type of animal fancier for that matter.  
    
    Bernice
42.6Snakes are pets too...DSSDEV::COLLINSFri May 23 1986 17:0027
	I've had constrictors for a period of some 16 years and feel qualified 
to coment on them. As for feeding a constrictor fish, such a diet would be 
lacking in many of the vitamins necessary for a healthy snake. This could be 
compensated for with artificial vitamins introduced into the fish though. I'm 
sure one could find someone that would think this was a "barbaric" thing 
to do (feeding fish to snakes that is).

	As for the term "damn snake", there are many people that would refer 
to cats with the same repulse, although I am sure there are more people who 
hate snakes. I agree with the premise that feeding kittens to snakes is not 
fundamentally wrong, they after all are just animals. Obtaining kittens under 
the false guise of providing a good home is wrong. I never fed kittens to my 
snake or ever entertained the idea, it is repulsive to me since *I like cats*, 
many people have different views on such things. It is a snakes nature to eat 
live prey, in many cases substitutions can be made, and is even recommended 
for the health of the snake - a live rat can do harm to a snake before the snake 
overcomes the prey. There are many cats in the areas where these big snakes 
come from, and as a rule big constrictors (Boas & Pythons) will eat *any* warm 
blooded creature they can get their hands (well mouth) on, even a full grown 
leopard (some snakes get *BIG* !!!). 

/harry

ps. I got rid of my constrictor (+8 foot Boa Constrictor), a pet of 8 years, 
since I felt he threatened the existence of my cats - among other things.

42.7Exotic PetsDSSDEV::MURPHYIs it Friday yet?Fri May 23 1986 20:5713
    
    Maybe the term "damned" snakes was incorrect to use since it is
    obviously not the snake's fault he (or she) has to live in an unnatural
    environment and has to eat what it is fed.  When left in the wild
    of the country they come from, they are able to hunt their own game.
    
    I also agree that exotic pets should be left in the wild where they
    are happier.  Too many times, many of these exotic animals are lost during
    the transit to other countries to be sold as pets or for laboratory
    experiments.
    
    Pat
    
42.8in defence of snakes as petsQUILL::LERNERThu Jan 08 1987 16:1417
    Let me add my two cents in support of snakes as pets.  I don't have
    a pet snake, but I have a friend who has two.  She is allergic to
    anything warm and furry like a cat or a dog.  The snakes are much
    more interesting pets than goldfish or turtles or toads or whatever
    because they 'interact' with the humans around them.  If you let
    a pet toad or mouse loose in the house, it runs away.  You can't
    handle a fish.  But a snake is perfectly content to be handled.
    It will contentedly ride on your shoulders or curl up in your lap
    (reptiles like warm places).  This particular friend had a 4 foot
    long ball python (4 feet is as long as that brand of python gets)
    and a 6 foot boa constrictor.  They fed on mice, rats, and one or
    two unfortunate gerbils ( cats will feed on unfortunate gerbils
    too, my 4 month kitten stalks my gerbil).  I see nothing inherantly
    wrong with having unusual pets, but a snake that grows to 20 feet
    is a little ridiculous.
    
    Cyndi
42.9the only good snake is a .....etc.RAVEN1::BUCHANANFri Mar 20 1987 18:592
    Re .8  Why is 20 feet ridiculous?  Do I sense some discrimination
    there?
42.10.......SUBURB::COFFEYJ1Thu May 05 1988 17:5519
    Come on.......
    
    A small snake's a good pet, as is a kitten/cat.
    
    A 20 footer is going over the top, as would a cheetah be.
    
    
    
    I also dislike the idea of feeding any live animals (yes OK especially
    kittens) to a snake.  They can, if the owner's humane be served
    dead meat instead of live kitties.
    
    If the kid was having to search for free kitties surely he shouldn't
    have had the snake ie: he couldn't afford to keep it.
    
    ?
    
    Jo
    UK