Conference back40::soapbox

    
    George
    
    Both tast great, when barbequed with a little A1 sauce on the side.
    Though, getting the hairs out between your teeth, is very similar to
    eating corn on the cob. I have many recipes from my Korean friends, if
    anyone is interested. Hope this helps.
    
    Mark

    Ferrets!
    
    
    
    (& cats)

    
    Dogs!  Definitely!
    
    jc (a kat owner)
    

	Dogs are better, unless you live in the city. Then it's cats. 

	Cats!

And ferrets seem pretty neat, too.

/john

 I prefer cats, but one thing I like about dogs is, when you've been gone
 for a few days they're always excited to see you.  After being gone for
 a couple days, I get home last night and all my cat seemed to care about
 was "are you going to feed me?"




Jim

    re: .6
    
    Ah! You need a "catdog"!  I have one.  He's orange, 23 lbs,
    can stretch himself out to about 3 feet, and is extremely
    happy to see me when I get home at night.  He follows me
    around the house to keep and eye on what I'm doing and 
    sleeps at the foot of the bed every night.  Matter of fact,
    my two Birmans are "catdogs" too, but not as lively as Red.
    
    Mary-Michael

    
    >He's orange, 23 lbs, can stretch himself out to about 3 feet...
    
    Mary-Michael, have you got a permit for that `thing'?

    I will vote with #1's reply! I am woundering if you have a hound skin
    hat and matching gloves? Perhaps a cat hide jacket? Seat cover?
    
    

    better at what?

    re: .8
    
    No, he's from upstate New York.  They grow them larger there.... :-)
    He's not fat either.  He's just big.  Looking at him all the
    time, you get used to him, but when we have people over for the
    first time, it's funny to hear, "My God that cat is HUGE!" When
    he jumps down from the cat tree, the floor shakes :-).  While
    you have to be attentive to a cat who can stand on his hind legs
    and grab his own dinner off the kitchen counter, or give you
    a hernia by jumping on your stomach at 5 in the morning, we 
    love him anyway. :-)   
    
    Mary-Michael (5 cats, 2 ferrets, 2 tanks o'fish - yes we DO
    lose fish from time to time :-)

    .7, .11
    
    i think i'm going to have nightmares
    
    ric

    Without a doubt Dogs are better.
    

    You should know Dougie----you've been with a few dogs in your time!!

    
    Alex
    	You've squashed a few cats!!
    
    HP

    >Without a doubt Dogs are better.
    
    Well garnished in a wok! Yep! I agree! Cat pizza! The best~

    re .1
    
    Wrap them with newspaper and set them on fire, this is the same
    technique used for getting pinfeathers off chickens.
    
    
    Cats for chinese food
    
    Dogs for BBQ
    
    
    
    Brian V

    The question I yet to figure is what kind of wine do you serve with pet
    viddles? 

    
    
    CATS!!!!!  :*)
    
    Glen,  wait till you see mine tonight!! They weigh 23 and 28 pounds,
    and asside from their weight, and one having a little orange dot on his
    cheek, they both look exactly alike!!!  They are twin brothers, and
    they have TRIPLE PAWS!!!!  :*)
    
    
    
    Terrie
    

    
    er... Terrie, if they have 3 paws, would that qualify them as sloths?
    
    Mark

    
    
    No Mark, they have two extra toes on each foot, as opposed to
    cats that are termed 'double-pawed', which in affect means
    that they have one extra toe on each foot.
    
    
    
    
    Terrie
    

    Would you serve a rosa or a rine with a slouth? Perhaps bergandy with a
    double pawed?:)
    
    

    
    
    You touch my cats and you'll be winning the next
    John Bobbit look-alike contest.....from the waist down anyways..
    
    
    
    
    
    Terrie
    

    hey, i dated a rosa 'long time ago.
    
    Chip

    Cats & squirrel...funny trying to get at each other threw a glass
    partion.

re .21:

We always called 7-toed cats (2 extra) double-pawed.  We had one
once (in upstate NY, they do have big ones there)  About 18 pounds.
Really held his own against dogs.

Some double-pawed cats did sort of have double paws (4 toes, space, 3 toes)
kind of like having 3 thumbs, others just had _big_ paws.

Never heard of a cat with just one extra toe.  Two extra toes is common.

    .23 Oooooh! I detect a threat! Hey! Yha know what Jeffry Dhamer said to
    Lorraina Bobbit?
    
    I have a couple of house cats, and a house mouse, and being a custodial
    dad of my 7 year old little girl. I would never do nasty things. I am
    spoofing. Hopefully you can tell!:)
    
    

	Terrie, these sound like real BIG catzzzzz! Are you sure they aren't
small dogs?

	Which leads me to, do small dogs qualify as real dogs?? heh heh... I
love miniture dogs as far as how they look, like a little pup their whole life.
But why is it that they always bark so much? 


Glen

    .27
    You gonna eat that thing....

    Definitely dogs...but personally, I'd like to get a pet skunk.
    
    -steve

    
    .28    Do small people qualify as real people..????    8*)  Just
    kidding!

    What's with these monster cats?  Mine are only around 10 pounds each.
    
    Cats are better because they don't drool and they don't yap.  Plus they
    look cuter when they're sleeping.

    .32 >Plus the look cuter when they're sleeping.
    
    Eturnally? 

>    What's with these monster cats?  Mine are only around 10 pounds each.

My cat is about 16 lbs now... He has gotten up to over 20lbs!!!

I've had him since he was born (his mother was our cat as well...) At the
time he came out, I saw the orange hair and called him Garfield. It's
turned out to be a perfect name for him, too... I don't think any other
cat could have lived up to his name as well as mine has!


/scott

	my dog doesn't drool or yap.  and she's the cutest thing since
	well, the last really cute thing there was.  ;>

    Re .34
    
    My cat can live up to his name better---he's called Shagger!!
    

    re: .32
    
    Well, Red was born in Russia, NY, which is about a 1/2 hour
    from Rome AFB.  Something in the water perhaps? :-)  Although
    HE doesn't glow in the dark, just his eyes do :-)
    
    The rest of my cats are pretty normal weight-wise:
    6, 8, 10 and 13 lbs. The ferrets are normal too,
    (well as normal as ferrets get....:-).  Red is scared
    to death of the ferrets tho', we think he may have had an
    argument with a mink in NY at some point, and the 
    mink won..... now I have a 23 lb cat who runs away from a 
    2 lb ferret.  It's pretty funny to watch... :-) :-)
    
    Mary-Michael

    I love dogs. They're more emotional than cats. I like cats, but I love
    dogs. And my border collie looks very cute when he's sleeping.

	Ahhh.... but Lady Di, with an owner like you, would there be a need for
an animal to yap??? Drool maybe, but not yap. :-)  


Glen

    ... quit sucking-up, Glen   :-)

	Chip, why would I need to do that???? Oh yeah.... for squash... yum....

	Glenn, I think Collies are by far the prettiest of all the dogs.
Simoyan (sp?) Huskies are up there too, but Collies ruuuuuuule!

    Well, border collies are quite different from collies. Mine has got
    great colouring. He's black with white underneath right up to his chin.
    A perfect white collar. White paws with little black dots, the hair on
    his nose is white with little black dots and he has a tuft of white
    hair on the end of his tail.

    His name is Domino. He has a little domino on his collar along with his
    dog tags.

    Glenn

    How about a cat named Underfoot... Thats where they usually are!
    
    I had a cat named Celest... it was going to be the clll-ast cat I was
    going to get!

    two... 1 named Fred and the named Lucy. we realized that they were
    I Love Lucy characters after the fact.
    
    Fred's about a ton and Lucy a peanut (pain in the arse) that evil
    to the bone... nasty little thing, but we still lover 'er.

    	Dogs.  But none of these yappy little dogs.  They're only
    	good for dust mops.  
    
    	Get a real dog.  45-pounds (20 kilos) minimum.  Something that
    	can pull your kid on a sled.  And that's the minimum.  If you
    	have the room, get something that's gonna grow to 100 lbs.

    -1 i think my cat (fred) will hit 100lbs. by summer! :-)

 If I were to get another dog I would get a Great Dane or a Golden Retriever..


 But I'm not about to get another dog.

    Great Danes are sh** factories.

 They certainly are...

What dogs aren't?

    	re .48
    
    	Not really.  It depends on what you feed them.  (And that
    	goes for any breed.)   Feed them supermarket-type dog chow,
    	and   volume-in == volume-out.  Give them a quality professional
    	brand where there is more nutritional value and less bulk fillers,
    	and their output is greatly reduced.

    
    
       I would vote for dogs as being the best pet, no matter how well the 
    litter box is kept cats just seem to leave a bad smell in a house. and 
    dogs are very versatile, they ussually make good home security pets,
    they can obey cammands (which is pleasing to the owner and the pet),
    and at times they are a better judge of character than we are. 
      
        I have 2 labs, they are great dogs, the black lab is almost 2 and
    the yellow lab is just over a year old, mo (the b.l.) doesnt really
    bark at people, he does a really low gutteral choppy growl, and that
    gets peoples attention real fast. now jo (the y.l.) barks at every
    noise when he's in the house, but at the hush command he starts the 
    growling routine along with mo.
    
                                                                  Lee
    
     P.s. Being a resident of upstate NY, If you dont stop talking about
          things growing big in upstate NY we are going to develope an ego
          problem.
    
    
     

    .46 Force feeding is cruel. But interesting to watch if they really do
    explode!:)

    re: .53
    
    If you feed them a high quality diet and keep up with the
    output, so to speak, the litterboxes will be no problem at
    all.  Litter tracking is the biggest problem I have.
    
    The person who owned our house before we bought it had
    a dog.  I think the dog used to sleep in the kitchen.  
    I shampooed the carpet in the kitchen 4 times and it
    still smelled like wet dog when you came into the 
    house for 6 months afterwards.  You can bury your
    face in a cat's fur and there isn't much odor attached
    to it.  Bury your face in a dog and it smells like,
    well, dog.  And eventually your whole house smells
    like dog.  I have never like that smell.  Maybe if
    you bath your dog regularly it isn't as bad, but, 
    I think dogs smell much worse than cats do.
    
    Mary-Michael

    
    Years ago when I was in high school and college, we had two German
    Shepherds that weighed about 110 pounds apiece. They were both black
    and silver. Best dogs I've ever owned, bar none. They were quite a
    tandem, especially when people would cut across our back yard, which
    had a fence. They usually saw the error of their ways quickly.
    Unfortunately, one happened to attack my girlfriend at the time, and
    we had to put him to sleep. Rather sad thing, is that she still has
    the scars to this day. He started getting rather cranky in his old age.
    
    If I ever got another dog, it would be another Shepherd.
    
    Mark

	if a cat piddles on the carpet, no matter how gracefully,
	you might as well burn the house down and start over.

      <<< Note 272.45 by CSC32::J_OPPELT "Whatever happened to ADDATA?" >>>

>If you
>    	have the room, get something that's gonna grow to 100 lbs.

	Well if you really like MID-sized dogs, I suppose a hundred
	pounds is OK.  ;-)

	Our house is becoming a zoo. 

	Cats - Three. Lucifer, 20 lbs. Oscar, 16 lbs. Inker, 10 lbs.

	Dogs - Three or Five depending on your definition. Dude, 165 lbs.
	Cleopatra, 130 lbs. Valkyrie, 120 lbs. Amanda, 15 lbs. Sebastian,
	20 lbs. (Dude and Cleo are Great Danes, Val is half Dane/half Black
	Lab. Amanda and Sebastian are Lhasa Apsos).

	And we're thinking about rescuing another Dane. This time a 9 month
	old Blue male. I want to complete the set. Dude is a Brindle, Cleo's
	a Harlequin, so we need a Blue, a Black and a Fawn. My wife is 
	underwhelmed by this goal for some reason.

Jim

    .57 Nope! Contrair! Use of a rental extractor and undustrial streingth
    cleaners can be used. I have, esp when some yha-hoo doesn't box train
    thier pet well. 
    
    I once had to evict some client who had an illegal cat.... The client
    left and I had to box up all left over clothing, and personal
    belongings of the said client..... Everytin was saved... in a shed thru
    the summer.. And the tenant came back... looking for his stuff... and
    the catbox that was never emptyed....

	Glenn, that sounds like some puuurrty dog. The markings must be a sight
to see. 

    Dogs, cats, they're all unique and I love 'em both.  Current
    inventory in our house is 3 cats (2 males at 13 lbs. apiece;
    one female at 7 lbs., but she takes no prisoners), 2 mice (one
    black, one white; had to segregate them cuz they couldn't get
    along), and tank 'o fish.
    
    No dogs, since we don't have the room or the time, but our next-
    door neighbors have a big 'ol yellow lab named Chet who's a cupcake.
    Border collies are great.
    
    My ultimate pet is a pig.  Read about a special breed that only grows
    to about 30 lbs.  Not those Vietnamese pot-bellied ones.  It was bred
    for research purposes, I think.  Looks like a domestic pig but doesn't
    grow to humungous proportions.  (Mom must have read "Charlotte's Web"
    to me too many times.)
    
    Come to think of it, I'd be pretty happy if my house was like Ace
    Ventura's place.  In fact, one of the pet mice hops up onto my hand 
    when I reach into the cage, walks up my arm, and sits on my shoulder under
    my hair.  He'll sit in my hand and eat, take a drink of water, etc.
    
           

    	And some beautiful Danes they are, Jim!  No doubts at all.
    
    	Good thing you have them to protect your guns from robbers!  :^)
    
    	(The Lhasas are another story.  I won't hold them against you...)

	pigs.  one of my cousins has a whole bunch of 'em, two of which
	have reign of the house.   kinda neat to be coming up the driveway
	and see some big old pig standing there ready to greet you with
	a little smile on its face.

    They must get mad when dad brings home the bacon though.

depends on if mom fries it up in the pan

	A friend raised a pig for eating purposes. But they named her (Piggy
Sue). She now lives on the farm and is quite huge. It was fun to have the pig
chase you around the pool though!

    Dogs or cats, which one's better? Well, I don't know, but perhaps we
    should ask someone who works in a Chinese restaurant! :-) :-)
    
    -b

    One of my cats goes bonkers when we have Chinese food.
    Loves lo mein, she does.  Once caught her dragging a BBQ
    spare rib across the kitchen counter when she was about
    a 1-lb. kitten.  Was it someone she knew?
    

      <<< Note 272.62 by CSC32::J_OPPELT "Whatever happened to ADDATA?" >>>
                                  -< re .58 >-

>    	And some beautiful Danes they are, Jim!  No doubts at all.
 
	Thank you.
   
>    	Good thing you have them to protect your guns from robbers!  :^)
 
	Indeed. I've told Kat any intruder that can make it past the
	dogs should be shot on sight, cause he's gotta be crazy. ;-)

>    	(The Lhasas are another story.  I won't hold them against you...)

	I will plead before the Court, they were NOT my idea. ;-)

Jim

    
    if i could, i'd have a dog.  not one of them things small enough to
    step on...my g-mother has a thing for those...between the pekinese(sp)
    and the tea-cup and regular poodles, i don't know what was worse...
    
    but cat piss is disgusting...the place i am in now, the former tenants
    had 1 dog, 3 cats, a rabbit and a ferret...and only the dog was known
    about by the landlord...and this place was a mess...it stunk to high
    heaven when i checked it out...but the neighbor (who i know and told me
    about the upcoming vacancy) assured me that the tenants would have to
    clean the place before they left...well they did...but all the rugs in
    there had to come up...cuz the cats apparently never used the litter
    box...and one of them decided he wanted to use the bathroom for his
    box...which would have been nice if he had use the toilet, but he
    decided to go NEXT to the toilet...my bathroom stunk for about a month
    after i moved in...and that was after washing the floor the twice and
    scubbing it down once...
    
    now these people have their own house with all those animals...plus the
    kittens one of the cats delivered recently...and now that place is a
    mess and it's starting to stink already...
    
    most people i have that have cats, their house has a certain 'smell' to
    it, letting you know there are felines present.  a couple, you'd never
    know...
    
    but i'd still rather have my doggie...

    
    
    sail cats...they are the best by far!!

 You wouldn't know I had a cat (except for the wallpaper ripped off the
 wall in places, and all the stuff on top of bookcases that is now on the
 floor and the cat food dishes on the floor and all the little rubber bands,
 milk jug rings and other assorted toys around the place.




JIm

    	To get cat piss (stain and smell) out of carpets, put a mixture
    	of table salt and baking soda on the spot.  You have to do it
    	when the spot is relatively fresh.  Once it has had a chance
    	to ferment there, well, someone back there said to burn down the
    	house -- and they're not far off!  For dog urine all you need is
    	salt.  But add some baking soda to it for cats.
    
    	First you have to blot up as much as you can get from the spot
    	with newspaper or paper towels.  Then spray with some water and
    	blot again.  Then pour a layer of the salt (with baking soda if
    	needed) on it.  The salt will draw up the rest of the moisture.
    	Vacuum up when dried.
    
    	For other pet "bodily wastes" (vomit, craps) just use straight
    	baking soda.

I've been on some cats that were fast,  and some that were real dogs.

               <<< Note 272.70 by GAVEL::JANDROW "brain cramp" >>>

>and regular poodles, i don't know what was worse...
 
	Nit. (I'm just in one of those moods today)

	The Standard Poodle is not a little dog (well to me they are
	but we went over that earlier). Miniature Poodles ARE
	little dogs (except to those folks that have a penchant
	for the Maltese).

	;-)

Jim

    Well, let's see, this morning my daughter's dog puked on her bed and
    the cat puked on the hallway rug. I didn't have to clean up after the
    dog but I DID have to clean up after the cat.
    I'll go with dogs...
    
    
    					Sir Thomas...

    
    I like all animals...but my favorite is my Cocker Spaniel, Jason.
    
    He's our best friend.  We take a lot of time to make sure he is
    properly cared for...groom him daily, take him for walks, make sure
    he has fresh water every day before we go to work, etc. etc. etc.
    
    Next month he will be 10 years (our time) old.  He's happy, contented,
    and so are we with what has been a terrific overall relationship.
    
    We will miss him when he is gone.
    
    Our biggest question right now?  Should we get another puppy to ease
    the pain/transition of that inevitable event?
    
    We don't know...Does anyone out there have any experience in this?
    
    

    re.75
    
    miniture poodles are rats with a fancy hair doo :>)
    
    i still like sail cats the best

    Dogs is Crazy...
    
    	..."mans best friend" doesn't do them justice.
    
    		...mine likes cats, confuses them with birds, feels they
    		   should all be in the tree where they belong
    
    	...kittens are neat...cats....well I'll let my dog answer that one!

    
    Unquestionably cats, like my three precious babies:  Fargas DeLaTour;
    Othello, the Moor of Shirley; and Pamina, daughter of the Queen of the
    Night.						
    
    Well...I'd take a dog iffen 'twas an Airedale terrier.

    The best wine with cat is Ripple Pagan Pink, but Night Train goes best
    with dog.
    
    Is that" Peyogee" or "Keyogee"......             

    I have two Maine Coon cats.  One is orange and white tiger and the
    other is all black.  They were abandoned as kittens, so we had to take
    them.  The poor things were so dirty and hungry.  We gave them a nice
    warm bath and then blow-dried their fur.  Have you ever seen a Coon cat
    that's had their fur blow-dried!?  They looked like two static dust
    balls with eyes!  (Next time I think I'll use mousse!)
    
    As for dogs...I would love to have one, but they need just as much
    attention as children do and I've already got two of those, well three
    if you count my hubby.
    
    A friend of ours named his dog "STAIN".  Not because of any messes the
    mutt left, but because he loved to get peoples reaction when he called
    the dog..."Come Stain, here boy.  Come stain!"
    
    Yes, I do hang around with really sick people!  8*}
    
    

    <<< Note 272.82 by MKOTS3::MACFAWN "My mother warned me about you..." >>>

>    As for dogs...I would love to have one, but they need just as much
>    attention as children do 

	Not completely true although they do require more attentions than
	cats. On the plus side, compared to children, dogs are easier to
	housebreak and they tend to listen better. ;-)

Jim

    ...and dogs don't talk back!
    
    

	Yes they do.....

    
    
    Glen, were you blow drying my cats during the night friday??
    
    
    
    :*)
    Terrie
    

	Terrie, do you think the cats hair would have looked matted at all on
Saturday??? They would have had enough jell on them and enough poofed hair that
you would have thought they were huge dogs, instead of huge cats! 


Glen

    My idiot samoyed definitely "talks back"
    
    But for that matter, so do the kitties.  However, they seem to learn
    from their mistakes, or to be sneakier about them, Sonja seems to need
    multiple reminders about appropriate behavior in the house.
    
    meg

	My roomates cat can open his bedroom door by getting on the easy chair,
putting her paws on the doorknob, while pressing with her hind feet, she turns
the knob and she is in. While I thought that was amazing, while being in his
room with the door closed, I heard a noise and looked over. She opened the door
somehow from the inside. Don't know how, but she definitely is a bright one.

    My cat is clean.  It doesn't eat much.
    My dog likes to get into all sorts of <r.o.> and stinks.  It likes
    to dig up all my flowers in my fountain.
    
    My dog will tear yer arse off if you come into my house uninvited.
    The cat is useless against bad people (except it can annoy them, no
    doubt).
    
    MadMike

    re: Note 272.89 by BIGQ::SILVA
    
    After tearing a couple screan doors off the hinges, I taught my
    dog to ring the doorbell when she wants to come inside.
    
    MadMike

    Well, I keep the litter boxes in the basement, and I don't have
    carpets.  (I do, however, have hardwood floors.  That's why I didn't
    want male cats, although the shelter assured me that spraying wasn't a
    problem if you had them fixed at the proper time.)  I do get the
    occasional hairball accident, but no lingering aftereffects.  I had a
    scratching post right from their kittenhood, so when they started
    clawing the furniture I just picked them up and shifted them to the
    post.  They learned.  They still claw my leg when they want attention,
    of course, but perhaps I look like a scratching post....
    
    Unless they're dinky, dogs can't sleep in your lap.  Regardless of
    size, they can't purr in contentment when they're with you.

    
    3 cats (2 are Siamese, the other's a big fat white one).
    
    Nix to pooches.  bb
    

     
      I had a German Short-Haired Pointer and now have a Chocolate
      Lab.  I do not feel right unless my dog gets one good leash-
      less run a day.  That means I average over 30 minutes of hiking
      per day.  Its good for me, but it adds up!
    
      I also have two cats; actually they are my daughters' cats.
    
      My feeling is that cats are one of the most outwardly selfish
      creatures on this earth!  They are also almost maintenance free.
      Meanwhile, my previous and present dogs truly seem to like me 
      for more than what I do for them.  But, man, are they a lot of
      work!
    
      I prefer dogs albeit acknowledging that they require more work.
      The benefit to me is that they demonstrate love for me more than
      cats.
    
                                                 Tony           

    
>>    Unless they're dinky, dogs can't sleep in your lap.  Regardless of
>>    size, they can't purr in contentment when they're with you.

	No, but they can wag their tails and wiggle their butts to 
	beat the band.  ;>

    Ever been whacked by a happy dog's tail?  Some of 'em pack a wallop.

When Geeziz wags his tail he knocks magazines off the coffee table.

>>    Ever been whacked by a happy dog's tail?  Some of 'em pack a wallop.

	yes.  they get mighty happy at times.

Someone else can have the 101 Dalmations snarf.

    101 Dalmations snarf.

From: Marcus J Ranum <mjr@tis.com>
Subject: hacking your cat
To: <censored>
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 1995 19:38:10 -0500 (EST)


Fabulous cat fact/oddity

	When I was on vacation, someone demoed the weirdest cat trick I
have seen for a while. I tried it on Marbot and it worked on him, too,
so it has a 100% success rate for the 3 cats on which I've seen it
done.

	Basically, what you do is take a longish light towel, or
scarf, or something like that, and fold it so it's about 6" wide
and use it to bind a cat's abdomen. Wrap it so that it's on
snugly, but not tight, if you know what I mean -- it shouldn't
be on so loosely that it slides around, but it shouldn't be so
tight that the cat complains while you're putting it on (unless
the complaint is just your cat's natural reaction to being treated
in such an OuTrAgEoUs manner) - anyhow, it should go around about
2-3 times, so it won't unroll too fast. You probably need not
pin it or anything.

	Put the cat down on its feet and let it go. Every cat
I have seen this done to looks at you with an expression of
surprise and confusion (not fear and anger) and either topples
over and just lies there, or takes a few steps, then topples
over. Sometimes they get up and immediately topple. It's as if
somehow it messes up their sense of balance or something. From
what I know of how cats are built there's nothing down there
that's especially critical, and you're not wrapping it so
tightly that it'd squeeze the diaphragm or anything. It seems
to be harmless -- I kept a close eye on the cats to make sure
they showed no sign of distress. They seem generally puzzled
but alert. I've never left a cat that way for long, mostly
because it's so weird. I *ASSUME* it's harmless; the cat
doesn't act like it's suffocating or anything weird like that.

	Any ideas what might be going on? The only thing I
can theorize right now is that somehow it keeps the cats
hips from moving forward, which makes it lose its balance.

mjr.

    re -.1
    
    	Bear in mind that CATS and HORSES have a similarily weird sense of
    humor.  Has anyone tried this on a horse to see if it's the same.  If
    it is, perhaps it's just their stubborn refusal to go along with
    anything they didn't think of first.
    	Might just put this question out there...Has anyone tried this on
    thelarger CATS...
    

    Dogs

    
    .102
    
    I'm DYING.
    
    I just tried this on both Fargas and Pamina with a long silk scarf.  
    It wasn't tied tightly at all.  They each took two or three very awkward, 
    waddling steps, and then fell over sideways.
    
    Othello kept his distance once he saw what happened to the others 8^).
    
    I'm laughing so hard I'm crying 8^).

    Sounds like even more fun than making a kitty run after a laser-pointer
    spot.  Seemz they think it's some sorta aLIeN mOUsE, that Must Be
    Chased Unto Death.  You kin make 'em climb walls, skid for 2 yards on
    linoleum, or turn on a dime on carpet.
    
    Of course, that enjoyment is as NOTHING as that which is afforded by
    watching a Ladye of Refynement check out her 'BoxBashPix, each of which
    features a large, luminous ChinZit, courtesy of MeAnMyLazer... :-)
    
    |-{:-)
    

    .102
    
    howzabout noting this in FELINE ?
    
    ric

    
    .106
    
    Dr.Dan - 8^ppPppPPpPpppPpP!
    
    .107
    
    Er, they might not appreciate it as much as we do 8^).

    .102 
    
    It changes the cats center of balance.  Cat's have a very light
    bone structure and their strength and balance depends on their
    muscles and their center of balance.

    On The Discovery Channel, there is an Australian show called "The
    Wonderful World of Dogs" which shows up periodically. The real
    star of the show is a German Short Hair Pointer named "Fugly" who 
    has the record for being the most "arrested" dog in Australian 
    history, and probably the one with the best sex life.
    
    His owner could almost pass for my "twin", the resemblance is uncanny, 
    i've been told...

    .105
    
    did your cats get upset or seem at all miffed at this treatment ?
    
    ric

    Ed,
    
    Is that because your as Fugly as the hound?

    
    .111
    
    Well, I have to admit that they avoided me for a while afterwards. 
    They both went downstairs and sat at the bottom of the steps staring
    up at me balefully.  I shouted various apologies down to them every
    once in a while.
    
    By the time I went to bed, though, they had forgiven me and were ready
    for snugglebunnies.

    .113
    How does one stare "balefully"?

    .114
    
    if you have to ask that question, you obviously do not understand cats.

>    How does one stare "balefully"?

Hay, you don't understand?

    .116
    If I understood I would not have asked!

I'd ask my fodder, if I were you.

I understand the baleful cat look.

I also understand the extremely-dilated-pupils-
about-to-let-loose-with-an-insane-burst-of-energy
look.

I don't understand the I-don't-get-it look when
I peek out from behind the shower curtain and wave
hello to my cat Sarah.  We've been practicing this
for 9 years; surely she must understand that I
expect her to wave back to me.  Sheesh.

>I don't understand the I-don't-get-it look when
>I peek out from behind the shower curtain and wave
>hello to my cat Sarah.  We've been practicing this
>for 9 years; surely she must understand that I
>expect her to wave back to me.  Sheesh.



 I do this with  my cat (as she dutifully sits on the bathroom scale staring
 at the shower curtain)..she just stares at me.  This morning, though, and
 everyonce in a while, she'll let out a "howl" that has a "worried" sound 
 to it..I wonder what she's worried about?




 Jim

    Um, showers, cats....Why do I have an image of a Hitchcock movie
    running through my mind?
    
    Dan

>    Um, showers, cats....Why do I have an image of a Hitchcock movie
>    running through my mind?
    
 

 That's why I keep lookimg out the curtain at her..




Jim

Hey, I keep looking out at her because one of
these days I'll catch her in the act -- checking
up on all the little things she's been stealing
from me.  The mother lode of earrings, milk
bottle rings, and cotton swabs is out there
somewhere.

    Our cat, Sammy, does the worried howl thing whenever anyone in the
    house bathes -- doesn't matter whether it's a shower or a tub-bath.  He
    does not seem to think humans should wash with water.  He much prefers
    to do the washing for us.  He especially likes to groom our hair
    (yuck!!).  He is, it seems, particularly fond of my nice, thick blonde
    curls.  He much enjoys attempting to straighten them, one section at 
    a time, as I sleep (double yuck!).  Since I sleep quite heavily, it 
    took a while before I figured out what was happening to my hair during 
    the night.  While it is rather disgusting, I must admit, it does appear
    to be having a salubrious effect on my hair :)!!
    
    My husband (who loves cats) is into cat torture.  He ties things to
    their tails, tapes their eyebrows together, etc.  I must tell him about
    the silk scarf thing.  I just know he'll stealing one of my scarves
    in a heartbeat!
    
    M.
    
    (P.S. - Sammy likes to kiss, too!)
    
    

I forwarded .102 to a famous desperado, and he replied:

  You can do this with a strip of paper.  An envelope works well because of
  the mucilage.

    
    It would have to be a pretty big envelope to go around my cats'
    tummies.

    Howzabout one of dem bizniss envelopes that envelop 8.5x11" paper
    without having to fold  it.  Hey I've got it, you could undo one, put
    stamps & an address of your wurst enema on it, envelop a cat's
    midsection wiv it, apply such that the address & stamps are on the
    dorsal aspect, and mail the little buggers wifout them being able to do
    anything but flop around in the mailboxes like beached smelts.  Add a
    bit of kittylitter down the mailbox to mitigate the damage to other US
    Mail contents and you have a perfect solution to the idiocy that is
    cats. 
    
    I knew I liked Parmenter for a reason other than he believes all the
    crap "they" write about the Richest & most Wonderful biznissman on the
    Planet.
          

    
    IDIOCY THAT IS CATS?!?!?!?!
    
    {snarl}
    
    This is war!

Wurst enema?  Glen?

Yes, but, the idiocy of the cat is its charm.
It cares about only what it wants to care about,
and you can't change that.  It doesn't give a
flying leap about anything else.

Cats, as Dave Barry said, "would not make good
corporate citizens."

    Re: cats and showers
    
    Valentina used to check up on me when I was in the shower.  Now just
    jumps onto the side of the tub when I turn the water off and attacks me
    through the curtain.
    
    
    Re: cats as corporate citizens
    
    Catbert will make an appearance in "Dilbert" as the human resources
    director.  "He's perfect for the job -- he looks harmless and cute and 
    he doesn't care if you live or die."

	Just found out that I'm going to be an "Uncle". Dude's mom is
	pregnant. Looking forward to seeing Dane puppies, they're supposed
	to only be about 1 pound when they are born.

Jim

 ...and they grow VERY fast.  

      <<< Note 272.134 by CSLALL::HENDERSON "Friend will you be ready?" >>>

> ...and they grow VERY fast.  

	That's the problem. I've only seen pups at 8 weeks or later,
	and by that time they're already bigger than some other
	breeds adults. ;-)

Jim

 One can practically watch them grow before your eyes..

>> One can practically watch them grow before your eyes..

	Jim's eyes?  Not from here.  ;>

 Eesh....

>>          -< and I was gonna stop by and say Hi today:-) >-

 <look of inaudible alarm> 

    .133 One pound? That's very interesting considering the size of them
    doggies. How many pups to a litter? A friend has an English Bull
    Mastiff. This is a 210 lb. puppy. Scratch his ears and neck and you
    have a friend for sure. When he lays his head on your leg it's similar
    in size to a basketball with ears. If you are standing and talking and 
    he wants your attention he just walks up and leans against you. And it
    works! She mentioned that they usually have two pups to a litter - at
    close to 9 lbs. each. That's really got to be something to see. This
    doggie at 210 is a lot smaller than his "daddy" who was 265. Best of
    all is to see him with the long-haired dachshund which is the other dog 
    in the house. And they are just as jealous of each other as two little
    kids. Quite a pair to see in action.

                      <<< Note 272.141 by GMASEC::CLARK >>>

>    .133 One pound? That's very interesting considering the size of them
>    doggies.

	A pound at birth and by 8 weeks they stand close to a foot high,
	Most of which is LEGS. ;-)

> How many pups to a litter?

	Like all the breeds it varies. Dude's litter was 6, we're waiting
	to see what Hanna produces for the "Bravo" litter (we'll know
	in a few days).


>She mentioned that they usually have two pups to a litter - at
>    close to 9 lbs. each. That's really got to be something to see.

	Bet Mom is cranky for a while. ;-)


Jim

    I let the cats go out Saturday afternoon, while it was still snowing. 
    They decided they didn't like it, and came back in.  An hour later,
    Valentina's whining to go out again.  Apparently she couldn't connect
    the view from the bay window with the freezing sensations from her
    previous trip.  Or maybe she just forgot what it was like.

  I live in an apt with a long hallway right outside my door..my cat has become
  increasingly interested in dashing out the door evertime I open it, and I've
  had to become creative at preventing these daring escapes..one of which came
  this morning as I had to come back to my apt to get some (clean) litter to
  help get me out of the pile of snow in which I was stuck..she dashed out the 
  door and up the stairs to the next level..

  There are 2 doors leading in to the apt, both of which are off of the same
  hall and enter my kitchen..what I've started doing when I come back to 
  the apt is playing with the door knob on the little used door (she hasn't
  yet caught on to the fact that the pile of stuff in front of the door would
  prevent me from opening it), waiting a few seconds and then quickly coming
  in the other door..its only a matter of time before that little ruse no longer
  works.



 Jim

    For the first time in thirty years there are no cats, dogs, or kids in
    the house and as I used to talk to the animals a lot when I was alone i
    really miss them. We always try to get both cats and dogs when they are
    young but as our last German Shepherd was 12 when she died our tabby 
    did not buy the farm until she was sixteen so she had to get used to a 
    new dog that "followed" my daughter home. This one I am afraid did not last
    long as it was not too young and suffered from a heart problem. I must
    admit I like most animals and we will be getting both a kitten and a
    puppy in the spring. And yes, before any-one asks, we did try to find
    out who owned the dog but no-one ever claimed her.
    
    Joan.

    How come dogs have to be licensed but cats do not? Cats being nocturnal
    critters are much more likely to come in contact with a rabid wild
    animal than are dogs as most states now have leash laws to keep the 
    doggies under control. I am surprised more dog owners haven't raised
    a big ruckus over this. Talk about discrimination.
    
    

    
    "This is a dog license with the word `Dog' crossed out 
     and `Cat' written in in crayon!"
    

A dog is tougher than a cat?   A clip from Asahi Evening News.

_Tak

===
18 days after the Great Hanshin Earthquake knocked down her house,
Teruko Kimura heard a barking in the rubble.

"Dick?" she shouted, calling the name of her 6-month-old golden retriever.

More barking.

Four hours later, 34 firefighters and police had pulled the dog out of
the ruins, looking weak but otherwise in good condition, a police offical
said Sunday.

    i believe it has something to do with them being predators which
    is also why you don't have to restrain them like dogs... not that
    there already sufficiently restrained (mind you) :-)
    
    Chip

    >  believe it has something to do with [cats] being predators
    
    and dogs aren't predators?  have you checked out the dentition of a dog
    lately?

    In 196(mumble) there was a rabies scare in colorado.  Cats had to be
    restricted to the indoors.  The rodent population skyrocketed that
    year, and consequently so did plague cases.
    
      

    dogs are not predators under general city/state ordinance...
    
    i know dogs are predators and i hope to God nobody begins to list
    the current dictionary definitions...
    
    Chip

    Thought I'd put this here rather than the OJ topic.
    
    While picking up my fuzz-butts at the vet yesterday I came up
    close and (almost) personal with 2 Akitas.  These animals are
    HUGE!!!  Then I found out they were 10 month old pups, unbelievable!!
    The male dog was already 110 lbs. and is expected to fall betwen
    140 to 160 lbs. at full growth; the female is expected to hit 120 lbs.
    These dogs are awesome!!
    
    Needless to say we got around to talking about all the attention
    being put on Akitas.  The man and his son breed and train guard and
    attack dogs (there is a difference).  This guy has worked over 25
    years in the business, primarily with Shepherds, Rottweilers and
    Dobies until about 10 years ago when the Akita started generating
    attention.
    
    Both he and his son have taken numerous animal behavior courses over
    the years.  It's his opinion (and everyone seems to have one) that
    Kato the Akita probably was familiar with whoever killed Nicole.
    He said no one has indicated that Nicole's dog had received attack
    training (attack dogs are trained to jump into action with a voice
    command given by the primary handler).  If Nicole was grabbed from
    behind and her throat cut before she could call out, this would con-
    fuse an attack dog.  He said these breeds typically equate the human
    family as being their pack.  He said an Akita without attack training
    typically will leap to the defense of anyone in their pack if they
    did not recognize the attacker.  If the dog recognized the attacker
    and the attacker spoke the dog's name, it would definitely baffle the
    dog.  Since the dog would not regard Ron Goldman as part of his pack,
    he probably wouldn't attempt to leap between Goldman and the perp;
    but the Akita probably *would* bark loudly and continuously.
    
    He did say if anyone tried to hurt/strike/engage the dog in a fight,
    the dog would definitely fight back....furiously.  If the dog didn't
    recognize the perp, the dog would almost surely go for the arm that
    might be making sudden, swift, slashing movements.  He said the
    agitation described by Schwab and Bosteppe is very consistent with
    an Akita who still feels a compulsion to help its master/mistress.
    
    The guy pointed out that (in his opinion), not too many men would
    stay in an area where one of these dogs is loose, unless the man/men
    knew the dog and were confident they could control it.
    
    The man said these dogs have such a tremendous instinct to protect
    their pack leader that he prefers NOT to sell an Akita into a family
    that has young children.  He did say an Akita pup (8-10 weeks old)
    might assimilate into a family with small children (the pup would
    view the children as one of its siblings).  He said it takes quite
    a while to train a good guard or attack dog, thus the dog is no
    longer a young pup when it's sold.
    
    This guy said as soon as detailed reports started coming in about
    the murders he said to his wife and son "that dog knows the killer".
    
    The man actually went into a lot more detail; it was a fascinating
    conversation.
    
    

    
    akitas are beautiful dogs...a guy i used to work with has one...simply
    gorgeous.  a woman i used to work with has one, as well (one got the
    other interested in them)...again, a beauty of a dog...
    
    someday...
    
    

    
    <---------
    
     I like the way Akitas look.... except when one's walking away from
    me... :) :)
    

    
    well, then don't look... ;>
    

Fitting an Akita into a Jeep Wrangler is kind of
tricky, though, raq.

My next door neighbor has a yellow Lab, and it's
always a hoot to see him going for a ride in their
Wrangler.  Chet's, a might over-sized for the leetle Jeep.

    
    
    Get a hummer.

Hey Mike, that's a whole 'nother....
well, never mind.	;^)

        <<< Note 272.157 by SUBPAC::JJENSEN "Jojo the Fishing Widow" >>>

>My next door neighbor has a yellow Lab, and it's
>always a hoot to see him going for a ride in their
>Wrangler.  Chet's, a might over-sized for the leetle Jeep.

	You should come see my wife taking Dude (the Dane) for a ride
	in her Firebird. ;-)

	It's a little easier in the summer when she can take the
	"T" roof out.

Jim

 I used to take Babe, our Dane, for rides in my VW bug ;-)

    i'd stay away from akitas until this OJ thing is settled... :-)
    
    Chip

From: mmccall@uop.cs.uop.edu (C. Michael McCallum)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.misc
Subject: Unofficial Dog Breeds
 
I was going over the Golden Gate Show list, and came up with some 
breeds that weren't even listed...
 
Index of Breeds
 
Afghan Hounds
Pakistan Hounds
Khurdistan Hounds
 
Airedale Terriers
Grounddale Terriers
Chip'N Dale Terriers
 
Alakan Malamutes
Alaskan Hard-of-hearings
Tibetian Malaprops
Norm Crosby Hound
 
American Staffordshire Terriers
German Surrey Terriers
Native American Terriers
 
Australian Cattle Dogs
English Sheep Dog
German Chocolate Dogs
Peruvian Poultry Dogs
 
Basenjis
Basetensies
Basetwosies
Octal Hounds
 
Basset Hounds
 
Bearded Collies
Mustachioed Retrievers
Hirsuite Hounds
Male Pattern Baldness Dog
 
Belgian Tervuren
Andorran Tweeveren
Ukrainian Servern
 
Bernese Mountain Dogs
Northwest Yeti Dogs
Sierra Foothill Dogs
San Joaquin Low Down Dirty Dogs
 
Black and Tan Coonhound
Black and Tan Alehound
Black and White Halftonehound
Pink and White Fru-fruhound
 
Bloodhounds
Plasmahound
Lymph Retrievers
Ambulance Chasing Hound
 
Border Terriers
Interior Terriers
Sudentenhund
International Incident Dog
 
Borzois
Girlzois
Androgenouzois
 
Boxers
Sluggers
Punchers
Jerry Cooney Glassjaw Heeler
 
Bull Terriers
Fullofit Terriers
Pathological Terriers
Liardogs
 
Cairn Terriers
Listening Labradors
Brusqe Boxers
Aloof Alsatians
 
Chinese Cresteds
Indian Aimeds
Haitian Sensodyned
Tom's of Maine Dog
 
Chow Chows
Yum-Yums
Bingehounds
 
Collies (rough)
Collies (smooth)
Collies (coarse)
Collies (you wouldn't let date your sister)
 
 
Dachshunds (longhaired)
Dachshunds (Jarhead)
Dachshunds (rednecked)
Dachshunds (Wirehaired)
Dachshunds (Wireless)
 
Dalmatians
Alsatians
Alaskans
Cicelians
 
Doberman Pinschers
Weidermann Pokers
Zimmerman Twisters
 
Foxhounds 
Wolfhounds
Coyotehounds
Prairedoghounds
 
German Shepherd Dogs
Belgian Sheepdogs
American Blacksmith Dogs
 
Giant Schnauzers
Large Schnauzers
Jumbo Schnauzers (Best Value)
 
Great Danes
Good Norwegians
Not-so-great Icelanders
 
Great Pyrenees
Grand Tetons
Swell Black Hills Hound
 
Harriers
Falcons
Spitfires
 
Japanese Chin
Korean Nose
Tibetian Ear
 
Keeshounden
Lockehounden
Brinkshounden
 
Kerry Blue Terriers
Kelly Green Terriers
Teal Terriers
Izod Terriers
 
Maltese
Casablanca
Key Largo
Bogie Dog
 
Manchester Terriers (standard)
Manchester Terriers (toy)
Manchester Terriers (assembly required)
 
Mastiffs
Sailiffs
Tilleriffs
 
Norwich Terriers
Noreast Terriers
Sandwich Terriers
Submarine Terriers
 
Papillons
Hunters
McQueenslands Terriers
 
Portuguese Water Dogs
Andorran Sand Hounds
Alcatraz Bread-and-Water Dogs
 
Rottweilers
Blauuweilers
Gelbbweilers
Yellowdog
 
Salukis
Yamalas
Mitsulishis
 
Shiba Inu
Shih Tzu
Yoko Ono
 
Siberian Huskies
Tibeten Regulars
Finnish Petites
 
Silky Terriers
Shiny Terriers
Sticky Terriers
Prickly Terriers
 
Skye Terriers
Winde Terriers
Seae Terriers
Sande Terriers
 
Soft Coated wheaten Terriers
Brittle Coated Flaxen Terriers
Nettle Coated Oaten Terriers
Crispy Coated Whole-grain Terriers
 
St. Bernards
Beatified Border Terriers
 
Standard Schnauzers
Basic Beagles
Common Coonhounds
 
West Highland White Terriers
East Lowland Blue Retrievers
 
Whippets
Doobie Dogs
Cap'n Trips Hounds
 
Wirehaired Pointing Griffons 
Curly-coated Poking Chimeras
Shorthaired Annoying Minotaurs
 
Yorkshire Terriers
Jello Terriers
Chocolate Mousse Retriever
 
(I have a similar list of educational institutions, so I can't really
take credit for the idea....)
 
--Mike

    
    I could always use another fuzzy face around my house.

Covert's taken.

    
    "fuzzy" is an understatement for Covert 8^).

Our family has always had both cats and dogs and I couldn't imagine living 
in a home without any pets.  However, if I could only choose one or the 
other, I would definitely keep the dogs.  It doesn't matter how bad a day 
I've had... the sight of my "Taz" waiting at the front window for me to get 
home always brings a smile to my face.  Dad says she goes over to the window 
around 5:00 and won't budge until I walk in ( I feel bad those nights I 
don't come home right away!)  When she sees me, she jumps up and her whole 
body starts wiggling with the weight of her tail swinging - quite the ego 
boost! Our other dog is older and wiser.  She does what she wants until she 
hears you come in the front door, but then she has to tear around the house 
until she can find something to bring you as a present.  Usually it's one of 
their toys, but if not, a shoe or sock or anything she can put in her mouth 
will do.  She also knows how to pass me the tv remote when I'm really being 
a couch potato!  Dogs give unconditional love and I have a feeling that the 
cats only love us because we happen to feed them.  Oh sure, they'll start to 
purr if you scratch their ears, but they only pay attention to you if they 
feel like it.  You may remember I was lamenting a month or so ago about 
whether or not this "pup" of mine would ever get trained. Well, she is 13 
months old now and weighs about 150 lbs.  I think the 1 year mark was the 
turning point, because she has had the run of the house for over a month and 
so far (fingers crossed) no damage.  She still barks at strangers but I 
guess if that's the worst we have to put up with, I can live with it.  Taz 
is really affectinate and loves to give hugs by jumping up and putting her 
front paws on my shoulders and bury her face in my neck.  It's funny how we 
will change our lives to accommodate the dogs - in fact I'm planning on 
buying my 1st home this fall and, although I could afford a condo or 
townhouse on my own, the thought of leaving my dog with my Dad is 
unthinkable, so instead I will put myself into massive debt to obtain a 
small bunagalow with a yard *and* a basement apartment that I can hopefully 
keep rented out.

    Yesterday, Zoe decided she wanted to go out.  I figured she'd change
    her mind pretty quick, so out she went.  As she stood on the stoop,
    pondering the change in geography (what's with the white stuff?), a
    snow plow came heading down the cross street, straight for my yard,
    roaring and scraping.
    
    The screen door was closed.  In a panic, Zoe leapt up and clung to the
    middle of the door (where the window insert fits), begging me with wild
    eyes to LET ME IN LET ME IN LET ME IN.  Then she took off and hid
    behind the bushes until the danger had passed.

    Week of Wonders for Pelle, our dog.
    
    On Tuesday it was raining as we want for the night walk. Me encountered
    a person wearing a cape, the cape hanging down to the knees. Pelle,
    curious and always eager to great everyone, who pays attention, 
    "look what I nice dog I am" approaches the caped person. But then -
    shock! horror! 
       A person with no arms ?!
    He lets (Pelle) lets out a bark and ducks away. :-)
    
    Yesterday evening, it was (surprise) darkest night as we went for the
    night walk. This time we encounterd a person with almost black skin. 
    We have met not-white-skinned people before, but that was at daytime.
    Pelle, again approaches curiously. And then (this time from greater
    distance than the day before):
    Shock! Horror!
       A person with no head ?!
    
    I was amused. 
    It was nice to see Pelle's relief, when the invisible head started to
    smoothly talk to him. That's where dog's are superior to humans. They
    may suffer from xenophobia, but they come over it very quickly.
    
    Heiko
       A pers 

    
       Well I am begining to wonder about my labs, they have been locked
    in our small bedroom since the chewing instances, well they have been
    very good for about a month or so.
       so this morning before I left I decided that they would be given a
    test, I let them have the run of both bedrooms, well they will now be 
    back to 1 room, seems as tho they liked the old comforter better with
    holes in it, so as they could wear it like a shawl(sp) and MY pillow
    had suck marks on it! geesh these guys are over a year old now this was 
    suposed to cease at a year.
       I wish that I had a camcorder, I bet I wasnt even outa the driveway
    before the destruction took place, I can just imagine it now, ok dads 
    gone you do the pillow I'll take care of the comforter, and I know it 
    was the yellow lab pup that started it, he has such an attitude!.
    
    
                                                                 Lee
    

    Pelle is here with me in the office today.
    
    He's been here about 6 times before and he hates it. :)
    He's not allowed to leave the room. Previously it was a joy to
    him to be greeted and talked to by other persons, but today he is
    so bored, he doesn't even bother to stand up/lie in 'down' position
    when somebody pets him.
    
    So he's just watching the passers-by in the hallway.
    
    
    Heiko
    (Pelle -> http://hboda1.hbf.dec.com/heiko/photo.html)

    Heiko:
    
    Your pooch must be one well-behaved dude.  If I brought my 2
    youngest (Bonkers and Peanut) into the office, they'd probably
    clear the CSC in 5 minutes flat :-)
    
    

How is it that some of you are able to have your dogs in the office? Under
what conditions?

I had a friend once wose dog's leg was broken by a car. The dog had the whole
outside metal frame/pins thru the skin into the bone, etc. He was able to 
bring the dog into teh office for a while, but if memory serves, it took an
act of god.

    I'm not allowed to bring my dogs into the office, I was "what-
    iffing" :-)  Well, I could probably fit Peanut in my purse (teacup
    poodle); all in all it still wouldn't be a good idea.  Her bark
    kinda sounds like Harpo Marx's horn ;-}
    
    A team member does use a seeing-eye dog; Rosie is a super GSD, she
    knows the dog lovers in the group and comes 'round gives us a kiss
    and a sniff :-) (When she's not in working mode).
    
    

 As I type, my cat is perched on the monitor and her tail hanging down
 over the screen..crazy cat...I've been sick all weekend and she's
 taken the opportunity to park her self on my chest as I lay
 on the couch..



Jim

    
    It was easy.
    I asked if I could.
      And I was told, yes, as long as you don't bring him every other week 
      and nobody would complain.
    
    Heiko
      

So, what is it with some cats, anyway?

#1 daughter brought hers back home from Louisiana a coupla weeks ago.
Cat is about 8-9 months old, just neutered about two months ago [she
(spade) her (catface)]. Adopted as an abandoned kitten at age 3-4 weeks
by my kiddo.

When I visited in Louisiana, the cat hissed at me every time it saw me,
tried to attack me whenever possible, and left tracks on my arms from
claws and teeth.

Now that it's a "house guest" in my abode for the summer, the cat hisses
at me every time it sees me, tries to attack me whenever possible, and
leaves tracks in my arms from claws and teeth. And has a sandbox taking
up a few feet of floor space in the downstairs john.

Every house cat I've ever owned in the past (with the exception of one
who suffered a heart attack while a vet was attempting to sedate her for
treatment of ear mites) has basically turned into a docile ball of fluff
after being altered. What's with this one that it thinks I'm a major
pin cushion?

    And here I thought you were lucky.

I kept telling you.
But would you listen?
Of cow snot.

    I like cats too
    
    they taste just like chicken!

    Jack, 
    
    Cats are very sensitive to the supernatural.  You may be possessed. 
    HTH.
    
    Brian

        <<< Note 272.177 by MOLAR::DELBALSO "I (spade) my (dogface)" >>>

>Every house cat I've ever owned in the past (with the exception of one
>who suffered a heart attack while a vet was attempting to sedate her for
>treatment of ear mites) has basically turned into a docile ball of fluff
>after being altered. What's with this one that it thinks I'm a major
>pin cushion?


	This one is a better judge of charachter than your previous felines?

	;-)

Jim

    Jack, perhaps you bear an uncanny resemblance to the veterinarian
    what performed the unspeakable act.
    

    Change the soap.
    if n/a: use soap.
    
    HTH
    Heiko

    In ancient Egypt, cats were worshiped as gods; they have never
    forgotten this fact.

 .185  of course not - they'd have to have brains in order to forget
       things.

    
    <-- them's fighting words, sister 8^p!

>        <<< Note 272.177 by MOLAR::DELBALSO "I (spade) my (dogface)" >>>

>#1 daughter brought hers back home from Louisiana a coupla weeks ago.
>Cat is about 8-9 months old, just neutered about two months ago [she

So just bring it down to our annual spring free-cat shoot ,,,err , this
isn't the gun-control topic? never-mind.

Amos :-}

>>                   -< more than one way to skin a cat?? :-} >-

	yes, there are 120.  this is a little-known fact.  that's
	5 factorial.  you can start with any leg, or the tail.

>       <<< Note 272.190 by POWDML::LAUER "Little Chamber of Passhion" >>>
>                                -< <-- {glare} >-

 Lady Di, I bleeve Ms Deb is upset with us :-} must be something _you_
said :-}   

    
    Youall are just jealous cuz I have the three cutest fuzzy faces
    in existence 8^).

       And your cats are attractive, as well.

I've seen that movie -- The Three Faces of Deb.

    -1 Bwahahahahahahaha

            yes, there are 120.  this is a little-known fact.  that's
            5 factorial.  you can start with any leg, or the tail.
    
     720. A skilled skinner can also start with the head.

But how many ways can you scan a CAT?

    Steve? ------------------>

Do Cats Snarf?

    Re: .177
    
    >So, what is it with some cats, anyway?
    
    Some of them are just weird.

       Some?

    Weird beyond the usual expectation of cat weirdness.

I can't be arsed with cats or dogs; cats are smelly and stupid, dogs
are also smelly, and whilst not stupid, are generally too yobbish.  Rats
are cool, though.

Chris.

    >Rats are cool, though.                                                   
    
    I expect it's that Newcastle wind chill factor.

>    I expect it's that Newcastle wind chill factor.

nah, I was on about my mate Heather's rat Charlie, and she's from
sunny Bishop's Stortford.  She is half Welsh, though...

Chris.

Heather or the rat?

>Heather or the rat?

er, Heather.  And don't refer to it as `the rat' (or `the deceased') as
she gets a bit upset...  it was a pretty cool rat, though.

Chris.

        Did she make a tart (without too much rat in it), then?
        

    
    My little sister lives in Hendon, Sunderland, which is almost
    Newcastle. Their guard cat, Table (so called because he has four legs)
    was recently hit by a train and killed.  There's no point to this story
    other than the minor coincidences of Newcastle, dead pets, and the
    basenote being about cats. But it does reinforce your point about cats
    being stupid enough to play chicken with a train.

       The world's dumbest cat (and it's possible that he shares a house
       with us) is still smarter than 80% of the people who will read
       this note.

Your cat can read?

       
       You thinking someone who reads this chazzerrei is smart?

    
    
    Hmmmm, good thing I'm part of the twenty persent.

    
    	Persent??  8^)
    
    	So, TOPAZ, would you say the 'BOX is "partly intelligent"?
    

    what Mr. Topaz really meant by that was that 80% of us shine out like a
    shaft of gold when all around is dark.

    
    <---  I wish I'D said that 8^/.
    

        Hmmm -  I've  heard  of Goldfinger and Shaft, but not the combo
        ...
        
        

    
    "Shaftfinger" rings a bell too.......
    
    
    
    
    
    
   

>    Their guard cat, Table (so called because he has four legs)

Interesting approach, that. If he were to lose a limb, would they rename
him "Milking Stool"?

    
    Possibly.  He lost more than a limb in the train accident though.  I
    expect "Chest" would be a more appropriate name now.

    went riding with a woman this weekend that brough her dog named
    Kitty....  Several of us wondered of she had a cat named Doggie.

"Walking My Cat Named Dog."  Who did it?

    Brian failed to mention that Kitty was of portly dimensions.
    
    

>"Walking My Cat Named Dog."  Who did it?

I can't recall, Gerald. but the vintage was 66-68 or so, I believe.
Very odd piece of music. Perhaps Jim H. can recall?

 I can't remember who did it, and it has been driving me crazy ever since I
 read the question.  I believe it was around 1965.




 Jim

Not to worry, I'm checking with a couple of knowledgable sources.

And here's the answer, courtesy of Tom Cafarella:

	Oh, that one's easy. Norma Tanega.

 
 Phew...

Dog is a good ol' cat.
People what you think of that?
That's where I'm at.

    
    
    NO THANK YOU
    
    No I do not want a kitten,
    No cute, cuddly kitty-poo,
    No more long hair in my cornflakes,
    No more midnight meowing mews.
    
    No more scratchin', snarlin', spitters,
    No more sofas clawed to shreds,
    No more smell of kitty litter,
    No more mousies in my bed.
    
    No I will not take that kitten--
    I've had lice and I've had fleas,
    I've been scratched and sprayed and bitten,
    I've developed allergies.
    
    If you've got an ape, I'll take him,
    If you have a lion, that's fine,
    If you brought some walking bacon,
    Leave him here, I'll treat him fine.
    
    I have room for mice and gerbils,
    I have beds for boars and bats,
    But please, PLEASE, take away that kitten--
    Quick--'fore it becomes a cat.
    Well...it IS kind of cute at that.
    
    
    (It's accompanied by this hysterical drawing of a man drowning in a sea
    of hundreds of cats and kittens, as this hand reaches out with another
    little one for him)

    
    It was on yesterday's TV news.  It shows many dogs owners go to
    hotel and led their beloved dogs right into room and says "which
    bed you want?".  The big dogs jump right into the nice comfortable
    bed.   Would you like to be the next hotel guest laying on the
    same bed previous occupied by the dogs?
    
    J.

	It could actually be a step up for some places.

    
    	Cats must be better.
    
    	DISNEY showed "The Cat from Outer Space" last night.  If dogs were
    	better, the title would have been different.
    

    .371> The big dogs jump right into the nice comfortable
        bed.   Would you like to be the next hotel guest laying on the
        same bed previous occupied by the dogs?
    
    Sure, but I would be assuming that the linens would have been changed
    between guests :-)
    
    Leslie

>    Sure, but I would be assuming that the linens would have been changed
>    between guests :-)
    
    Based on a news report I saw a couple of months back, this might be
    an optimistic assumption.

    <<< Note 272.374 by MPGS::WOOLNER "Your dinner is in the supermarket" >>>

>    Sure, but I would be assuming that the linens would have been changed
>    between guests :-)
 
	Not a great assumption.

	When Mike Tyson was first accused of rape, police took the bedspread
	from the hotel room. They had to sort out over 300 "samples" to find 
	Tyson's.

	And this was at a high class hotel.   

Jim

    that's disgusting.

    
    	I know.
    
    	I don't believe they forced the victim to do a taste test of those
    	proportions.
    

    it has to do with preference, not proportion.

         <<< Note 272.377 by LANDO::OLIVER_B "ready to begin again" >>>

>    that's disgusting.

	Does make you wnat to turn the bed down using tongs, doesn't it?

Jim

    forget the tongs.  gasoline and a match will do.

    
    I always check if there is hair on linen before saying 'ok'.
    One time I caught it dirty and I asked to change room.
    By I always assume the bed spread is dirty.          

    
    a new trend in japan:  dog rentals.  yup.
    
    take your rental pooch for a sunday walk in the park.
    

    An interesting sentence from _Science News_:
    
         The scientists then deprived the cats of sleep by constantly
         playing with them.
    
    
    				-- edp
    
    
Public key fingerprint:  8e ad 63 61 ba 0c 26 86  32 0a 7d 28 db e7 6f 75
To find PGP, read note 2688.4 in Humane::IBMPC_Shareware.

>    a new trend in japan:  dog rentals.  yup.

Someone has too much money and too little to occupy themself.

    Rowdy Rotty Rentals! For a rollicking good time.   
    Hire-a-hound! Weekend specials
    Lassie leases! Day, week or month.
    Shepherd Shares! (time share a German Shepherd)
    Chihuahua charters!  
    

    
    it's gotta be a time/space thing.  no time, no space.
    

 Boxer borrowing!

    pet let!