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Conference back40::soapbox

Title:Soapbox. Just Soapbox.
Notice:No more new notes
Moderator:WAHOO::LEVESQUEONS
Created:Thu Nov 17 1994
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:862
Total number of notes:339684

543.0. "What does the term "sissy" mean to you?" by MOLAR::DELBALSO (I (spade) my (dogface)) Wed Sep 13 1995 02:28

OK - Let's get it all out in the open.

How do you define/describe a "sissy", or "sissy" behavior.

I think we all have some sort of mental image when we hear the term.

Is it "consistent"? Is it "justifiable"?

And, is "sissy" a "valid" term, neglecting for a moment whether or
not it's PC? Can it be used to convey a distinct, non-ambiguous
concept?

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543.1Talk HardSNOFS1::DAVISMHappy Harry Hard OnWed Sep 13 1995 02:382
    If I used the term still I would use it to describe a man who was
    cowardice.
543.2POLAR::RICHARDSONKiss my GAKWed Sep 13 1995 03:192
    Good G_d! This cowardice, he's some kind of cricket player or
    something?
543.3GIDDAY::BURTDPD (tm)Wed Sep 13 1995 03:235
Wasn't she Buffy and Jody's oldest sister?



\C
543.4POLAR::RICHARDSONKiss my GAKWed Sep 13 1995 03:241
    My G_d! Chele is right!
543.5GIDDAY::BURTDPD (tm)Wed Sep 13 1995 03:264
There goes my reputation :^(


\C
543.6Talk HardSNOFS1::DAVISMHappy Harry Hard OnWed Sep 13 1995 03:342
    What's wrong with cowardice ?? Or did I misinterpret the original
    question ? 
543.8Talk HardSNOFS1::DAVISMHappy Harry Hard OnWed Sep 13 1995 05:0311
    I was explaining what my interpretaion of the word was, not whether I
    would use it or not. I think I misinterpreted the original question,
    although I can't see how. My understanding is that Jack is asking for
    other peoples opinion on what the word 'Sissy' equates to.
    
    In reply to your specific question; I would have thought it irrelevant
    as to why I wouldn't say coward (I think:*). A rather large amount of
    words have the same/silmilar meaning !! Am I talking bollox or is this
    what you meant ?
    
    oh well, back to the drawing board !!        
543.11Talk HardSNOFS1::DAVISMHappy Harry Hard OnWed Sep 13 1995 06:063
    Yeah people in England would refer to a boy/man who was a coward/
    girlie/wimp as a 'sissy'. The abuse would be something like "ahhh
    you big sissy". 
543.13Talk HardSNOFS1::DAVISMHappy Harry Hard OnWed Sep 13 1995 06:545
    Ahh yes my friend :*) If you're any of the above you'd get shot!
    
    I personally don't agree with the shooting bit. Personally I make them
    charge stark naked at Jerry with only a small dagger and a hand
    grenade.
543.14WMOIS::GIROUARD_CWed Sep 13 1995 10:121
    wasn't she in some sitcom with Brian Keith?
543.15POWDML::CKELLYThe Proverbial Bad PennyWed Sep 13 1995 11:172
    chip-you and chelle are dating yourselves together, or something like
    that :-)
543.16GRANPA::MWANNEMACHERNRA fighting for our RIGHTSWed Sep 13 1995 11:423
    
    She was a character on family affair.
    
543.18SOLVIT::KRAWIECKIBeen complimented by a toady lately?Wed Sep 13 1995 13:1719
    
    Can we get a grip here?
    
    How is "sissy" any different than every other insult in the world??
    
    Is there now a classification system??
    
    
    If so, where does "dork", "clueless", "jerk", "thumper", "ditto-head",
    "feminazi", "liberal", "rycht-winger"...etc...etc.....ad nauseam, stand
    in that classification?
    
      I know.... it's a "different mind set"... right?? Somehow, this is a
    little more "offensive" to some....
    
     Some might even use that cute little word that's become so popular
    nowadays....
    
      It's "chilling"...
543.19CNTROL::JENNISONRevive us, Oh LordWed Sep 13 1995 13:254
	No one has ever called me ad nauseam (nauseating, yes) ...
	
	
543.20SOLVIT::KRAWIECKIBeen complimented by a toady lately?Wed Sep 13 1995 13:406
    
    <------
    
    They've accused me of that after a few of my particularly intense
    step-interval classes!! :)
    
543.21CSOA1::LEECHDia do bheatha.Wed Sep 13 1995 14:0125
    Sissy, to me, is a neuter form of insult that I interpret as "weak".  I
    do not associate this with any specific group, either (someone
    previously  mentioned in the SoC&S rathole, that sissy-boy was
    equivalent to homosexual...I disagree for obvious reasons - there are
    some very athletic/tough homosexuals out there, check up on certain
    pro-football players...I certainly would not call them sissies, they'd
    kick my butt all over the place  8^) ).
    
    In baseball, you could be a sissy if you couldn't throw the ball very
    far/hard.  In football, you could be a sissy if you were not
    aggressive or tough.  In track, you could be a sissy if you couldn't
    finish a race, or if you were hopelessly slow.
    
    Sissy is also interchangable with the more modern insult "wimp", IMO.
    
    Sissy can apply to either gender, IMI (in my interpretation).
    
    
    Trying to associate "sissy" as an insult to a specific gender or group 
    (that you happen to be in), to me, is going out of your way to be insulted.
    I recommend a thickening of the epidermal if this be the case.  
    
    
    
    -steve   
543.22PENUTS::DDESMAISONSperson BWed Sep 13 1995 14:1611
  from AHD:

  sissy n. 1. a boy or man regarded as effeminate.
           2. a person regarded as timid or cowardly.
	   3. (informal) sister.

  
  from Chambers:

  cissy n. an effeminate man; a timid, nervous boy, a cry-baby.
543.23POLAR::RICHARDSONKiss my GAKWed Sep 13 1995 14:201
    So, as far as insults go, it's a good one to use on a man, no?
543.24BIGQ::SILVADiabloWed Sep 13 1995 14:249

	Depends on the person using the word I would think. It could mean the
person is a wimp, if there is a limp hand jesture it would probably mean fag,
etc. Too many different meanings for the word. 



Glen
543.25MKOTS3::RAUHI survived the Cruel SpaWed Sep 13 1995 14:294
    There is sissy squats. I dont think this is whimpy or girly at all!
    Rather cruel and inhuman way to get bigger leg muscles.;)
    
    
543.26Not in my neighborhoodDECWIN::RALTOStay in bed, float upstreamWed Sep 13 1995 14:5114
    In my childhood, "sissy" was always used as "needlessly cowardly",
    i.e., showing unreasonable fear of something that contained no
    actual danger and/or that everyone else could easily do.  It
    contained *absolutely* no gender connotation, either for the
    recipient of the tag or to whom he/she was being compared.
    
    Thus, I was amazed to see the dictionary definition, with which I
    strongly disagree.  "Sissy" is essentially "wimp", which is also
    genderless.
    
    Aside from all that, .10 was nicely written.  We need some good
    writing like that around here.
    
    Chris
543.27PENUTS::DDESMAISONSperson BWed Sep 13 1995 14:594
    In my childhood, it was boys who were referred to as sissies,
    not girls.  So the dictionary definition seemed right.


543.28WAHOO::LEVESQUEsunlight held together by waterWed Sep 13 1995 15:065
    >In my childhood, it was boys who were referred to as sissies,
    >not girls.
    
     Predominately, yes. Sissy doesn't seem to have as much impact if you
    use it on a girl.
543.29LANDO::OLIVER_BWed Sep 13 1995 15:061
Frasier's brother is a sissy.
543.30WAHOO::LEVESQUEsunlight held together by waterWed Sep 13 1995 15:081
    :-) With a name like Niles...
543.31EST::RANDOLPHTom R. N1OOQWed Sep 13 1995 15:094
On motorcycles, a "sissy bar" is a small, metal, upside-down-U-shaped
framework attached to the rear of the seat, often with padding, not unlike
the backrest of a chair. It keeps you from falling off during hard
acceleration or going uphill.
543.32SMURF::BINDERNight's candles are burnt out.Wed Sep 13 1995 15:164
    .31
    
    And it's a kool place to mount your Death's Head with the red glass
    jewels for eyes.
543.33DEVLPR::DKILLORANDanimalWed Sep 13 1995 15:4113
    
> On motorcycles, a "sissy bar" is a small, metal, upside-down-U-shaped
> framework attached to the rear of the seat, often with padding, not unlike
> the backrest of a chair. It keeps you from falling off during hard
> acceleration or going uphill.

    Really?!  I was told that it referred to the big hoops of metal sticking
    out the sides of the bike up front.  The purpose of which (I've been
    told) is to keep your legs from getting shredded when you lay the bike
    down.

    Mr. McBride!  We need clarification on this!

543.34BUSY::SLABOUNTYHoly rusted metal, Batman!Wed Sep 13 1995 15:474
    
    	The sissy bar is the one on the back of the seat, because "only
    	sissies need a bar to hang on to".
    
543.35CSLALL::HENDERSONI'd rather have JesusWed Sep 13 1995 15:548


 "on which to hang"



 nnttm
543.36CSC32::M_EVANSnothing's going to bring him backWed Sep 13 1995 16:025
    And a "sissy pad" saved my shoulder and improved my aim incredibly. 
    Amazing how much tighter you can place groups when your rifle doesn't
    hurt you any more.  
    
    meg
543.37TROOA::COLLINSEvery now and then it's gotta rain.Wed Sep 13 1995 16:054
    
    See
    Sissy rider...
    
543.38CONSLT::MCBRIDEReformatted to fit your screenWed Sep 13 1995 16:399
    Those are crash bars Dan.  Not knowing this and admitting it in public
    are offenses that require you to trade in your ride for a big wheel
    until you have brushed up on your m.c. anatomy.  :-)
    
    A sissy bar is a vertical extension from the back of the seat to keep 
    the passenger from falling off and to give them something to rest against
    on extended trips. 
    
    Brian
543.39DEVLPR::DKILLORANDanimalWed Sep 13 1995 16:4713
    
    CRASH BARS !  THAT'S IT!  
    "I ain't no sissy, I don't need no crash bars!"  
    That's where my confusion came from.  Thanks Bri for the refresher.

    > Not knowing this and admitting it in public
    > are offenses that require you to trade in your ride for a big wheel
    > until you have brushed up on your m.c. anatomy.  :-)

    Actually I'm willing to trade it in if I can get $1500 bucks for it.
    Need the cash, and want to buy a bigger bike anyway.  Yes, it'll prolly
    be the 1100.

543.40SMURF::WALTERSWed Sep 13 1995 16:502
    
    The band, 10 Sissy
543.41WMOIS::GIROUARD_CWed Sep 13 1995 16:522
    only a sissy wouldn't have known that it was the back rest and confusing
    it with crash bars... :-)
543.42SPSEG::COVINGTONThere is chaos under the heavens...Wed Sep 13 1995 17:003
    The crash bars aren't for protecting your legs, anyways. Only a sissy
    cares about broken legs. The crash bars keep your engine from getting
    all scratched up. :)
543.43CONSLT::MCBRIDEReformatted to fit your screenWed Sep 13 1995 17:011
    .....and a convenient place to put your highway pegs.
543.44MKOTS3::RAUHI survived the Cruel SpaWed Sep 13 1995 18:096
    I thought those thingies were to protect the six pack in the saddle
    bag.:)
    
    And sissy-girrrrrlyman-ears stick out past his shoulders=Hanns n
    Fraaans.:)
    
543.45Talk HardSNOFS1::DAVISMHappy Harry Hard OnThu Sep 14 1995 02:396
>     if there is a limp hand jesture it would probably mean fag,
                                                             ^^^
>     Glen                                                   |||
    
    
    What in the world has this got to do with cigarettes ??!! :*)
543.46POLAR::RICHARDSONKiss my GAKThu Sep 14 1995 02:421
    Poofter then!
543.47SCAS02::SHOOKmetroplexedThu Sep 14 1995 05:206
    
    the "sissy strut" was a great dance song by the meters back in the
    late 60's.  of course, we never actually did this dance, perhaps
    because we didn't know how, and couldn't find out.
    
    bill
543.48BIGQ::SILVADiabloThu Sep 14 1995 15:046
| <<< Note 543.46 by POLAR::RICHARDSON "Kiss my GAK" >>>

| Poofter then!


	Too funny Glenn..... too funny.....
543.49CHEFS::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitThu Sep 14 1995 16:574
    Someone who doesn`t drink lager or watch football.
    
    Oh,hang on. That`s a PUFF.
    
543.50Talk HardSNOFS1::DAVISMHappy Harry Hard OnFri Sep 15 1995 02:524
    Stu,
    
    I would also include: Eat vinaloos and wipe their butt with sandpaper
    in the morning.
543.52WAHOO::LEVESQUEsunlight held together by waterFri Sep 15 1995 11:481
    yeow.
543.53CHEFS::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitFri Sep 15 1995 16:327
    .51
    
    Your name is John?
    
    By the sounds of it,something like Crispin or Rupert would be more
    appropriate.
    
543.54CSOA1::LEECHDia do bheatha.Fri Sep 15 1995 17:507
    re: .51
    
    I think your sensitivity meter is set too high.  That, or my humor
    meter is set too low.
    
    
    -steve (who also does not know what a vinaloo is)
543.55CONSLT::MCBRIDEReformatted to fit your screenFri Sep 15 1995 17:521
    A vinaloo is a vindaloo without the d.  HTH
543.57PENUTS::DDESMAISONSperson BFri Sep 15 1995 17:556
>>     <<< Note 543.55 by CONSLT::MCBRIDE "Reformatted to fit your screen" >>>
>>   ...HTH


	why do i think it won't? ;>

543.60...or vinabidet.LANDO::OLIVER_BFri Sep 15 1995 18:501
enter the contest and vinaloo.
543.62LANDO::OLIVER_BFri Sep 15 1995 19:001
I dunno.  Vat is dat?
543.64SMURF::WALTERSFri Sep 15 1995 19:091
    Hasta vasistas, baby.
543.65Burn in, burn out.COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertFri Sep 15 1995 22:523
A good vindaloo will put you in da loo.

/john
543.67CSLALL::HENDERSONI'd rather have JesusSun Sep 17 1995 02:214


 No thanks!
543.68POWDML::HANGGELIPetite Chambre des MauditesMon Sep 18 1995 01:434
    
    Jim looks like the sort who would be dashingly handsome with a pipe.
    
    
543.69CSLALL::HENDERSONI'd rather have JesusMon Sep 18 1995 03:2410


  Why thank you. Its getting near pipe smoking season for me.





 Jim
543.70CHEFS::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon Sep 18 1995 11:509
    Am I correct in thinking that a vindaloo isn`t a traditional Indian
    meal,but something invented by English Indian restauranteurs to please
    the average English nutter who demands something really hot??
    
    Pesonally,the hottest i`ll go to is a Madras,but really I rather limply
    enjoy something like a chicken tikka masala or perhaps a bhuna. Or a 
    rogan josh maybe.
    
     
543.71CBHVAX::CBHLager LoutMon Sep 18 1995 12:0818
>    Am I correct in thinking that a vindaloo isn`t a traditional Indian
>    meal,but something invented by English Indian restauranteurs to please
>    the average English nutter who demands something really hot??
>    
>    Pesonally,the hottest i`ll go to is a Madras,but really I rather limply
>    enjoy something like a chicken tikka masala or perhaps a bhuna. Or a 
>    rogan josh maybe.
    
I think that most popular `Indian' meals in England aren't original
but developed for the locals' taste.  As far as vindaloos go, I find
that these are more often than not no hotter than a good madras, and
in some cases are in fact milder.  Besides, a madras tastes nicer.

Anyone in search of a nice hot curry could do worse than to ask for
a kohlapuri, where whole chillis tend to lurk unnoticed, or a phal,
which is only for the commited nutter with a destroyed sense of taste.

Chris.
543.72MPGS::MARKEYMercenary geeks rool!Mon Sep 18 1995 13:4324
    
    Before refrigeration, meats were often dried/salted or were
    eaten spoiled (the next time you're enjoying $30 a pop Peking
    Duck, remember that you're really eating rotten duck meat.)

    Indian cuisine has two solutions for this problem:

    	1. Eat veggies instead (the preferred solution)
    	2. Load the meat with spices

    As you're probably aware, a Vindaloo is really a curry dish
    with Yogurt. Both are native "Indian"; there's nothing magically
    western about Vindaloo, other than the fact that it's generally
    served in larger portions than an Indian person would be
    inclined to eat... fat westerners and all...

    The "Indian" foods we eat that do have a decidedly western
    slant to them are those that are deep fried: Pakoras, Somosas,
    Poori, etc. Clogged arteries were England's cultural
    contribution to the near east.

    I prefer my Vindaloo "nuclear" (aka Tindaloo.)

    -b
543.73LANDO::OLIVER_BMon Sep 18 1995 15:045
>(the next time you're enjoying $30 a pop Peking
>    Duck, remember that you're really eating rotten duck meat.)

For true!?!  Omigod.  How rotten is it?  Just starting to turn,
I hope.  I love Peking duck...
543.74MPGS::MARKEYMercenary geeks rool!Mon Sep 18 1995 15:098
    
    For true. I love Peking Duck, don't get me wrong!

    Wander into a Chinese grocery in your nearest Chinatown and see
    for yourself. Don't be put off though. Nothing a little Hoisin
    sauce and some scallion chutes can't fix... :-) :-)

    -b
543.75LANDO::OLIVER_BMon Sep 18 1995 15:152
I'll just duck into one of those groceries next
time I'm in Beantown and check out the sitch.
543.76WMOIS::GIROUARD_CMon Sep 18 1995 15:381
    all this talk of vindaloo sounds a little sissified to me
543.77MPGS::MARKEYMercenary geeks rool!Mon Sep 18 1995 15:574
    
    I never eat vindaloo and shave my legs at the same time...
    
    -b
543.78PENUTS::DDESMAISONSperson BMon Sep 18 1995 16:0911
>>           <<< Note 543.72 by MPGS::MARKEY "Mercenary geeks rool!" >>>

>>    Indian cuisine has two solutions for this problem:

>>    	1. Eat veggies instead (the preferred solution)
>>    	2. Load the meat with spices

	same deal for Chinese food, i do believe.  e.g., Szechuan cooking
	uses the not-so-fresh inland stuff over there, and so loads it
	with more spice.

543.79SMURF::WALTERSMon Sep 18 1995 17:575
    
    In a land where Cows are sacred to one half of the population and pigs
    considered unclean by the other half, meat was never a big item on the
    menu anyway.
    
543.80USAT05::HALLRGod loves even you!Thu Feb 29 1996 01:003
    when I couldn't sleep the other nite, the tube had a cooking show on
    where this guy was doing duck but it looked as tender as med rare
    beef...i don't think i was dreaming
543.81USAT05::HALLRGod loves even you!Tue Mar 05 1996 23:541
    Paul Prudhome, to a T