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172.1 | And then I'd call the newspapers | MOLAR::DELBALSO | I (spade) my (dogface) | Mon Dec 12 1994 12:32 | 4 |
| I'd call the DA's office and file a complaint against the police department.
That is, unless you value your life, and all.
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172.2 | ditto on the media.. | DELNI::SHOOK | clinton has been newt-ralized | Mon Dec 12 1994 15:24 | 3 |
| and make sure that you document names, dates, times, locations, etc. of
who you talked to and when. you'd be amazed how these complaints
sometimes get "lost."
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172.3 | | MPGS::MARKEY | Pee Wee Herman for Surgeon General! | Mon Dec 12 1994 15:40 | 53 |
| My fave cops on the loose story is a sad one indeed. I was sitting at a
traffic light with a friend. We just left work for lunch. My car was
about 4 or 5 back from the light.
The first car started out in each direction and SMASH!!!! Broadsided,
it turned out, by an elderly women who thought it was the perfect time
to release herself from this mortal coil and thus embarked on a fatal
stroke as she approached the red light.
As another 2 or three cars joined the fray for effect, it was clear
that we were _not_ going anywhere for a while. My friend was a Navy
Medic (I forget what the proper name for these guys are, but they're
renowned for covering grenades and other selfless acts of heroism),
so he jumped out of the car to help the victims.
I helped him lift some of the people out of their cars and then
went off to do the only other thing I figured I could be useful
at: directing traffic around the accident.
When the ambulances and fire vehicles arrived, we were definitely
hemmed in. So, I just stood off to the side. That day, I was
wearing a blue down vest and mirrored sun glasses, and hence,
looked rather "official". The other piece of information that
you need to understand is that this all occurred right
next to a housing project known as "Great Brook Valley", a
place where *anything* can happen.
Some women rushed over to me and started yelling "your car
is on fire!!!." I looked at my car... nope. Not on fire.
But she was pointing elsewhere... to one of the police cars
at the scene. And sure enough, someone had rolled up a
bunch of newspaper, lit it on fire, and shoved it under
the police car's gas tank. I didn't even think, I just
dived under the car and swept the paper away with my arm.
Bad idea. Very bad idea. Cop comes over and arrests me for
whatever violation of the law lighting a police car on
fire is... I get cuffed and placed, in a most ungenteel
manner, into the back of said police car. I get called
names that even the master of foul-mouthed slice and
dice had never dreamed of. My ancestry is called in question,
particularly regarding it's stature in the animal kingdom.
These people are _not_ happy with me.
Eventually, my friend managed to convince the cop that
not only was I not the person who attempted to torch his
car, but I may have even saved his life. To this, he
responded: "OK, you can go". OK, YOU CAN GO!!! FYVM!!!
That's what I thought, of course, not what I said.
I left, but not before taking with me a rather bitter
taste of Worcester's finest...
-b
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172.4 | | CALDEC::RAH | the truth is out there. | Mon Dec 12 1994 15:55 | 2 |
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should've let it burn. cops are useless.
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172.5 | Be very careful | AIMTEC::MORABITO_P | Hotlanta Rocks | Mon Dec 12 1994 16:10 | 6 |
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I just wonder if it would be worth it to nail these cops. Them or their
collegues might make your life a living hell. These dudes stay together
big time. If you do anything, try to remain anonymous if it is possible.
Paul
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172.6 | | SUBPAC::SADIN | Keep it off my wave... | Mon Dec 12 1994 16:11 | 6 |
|
Worcester cops paralyzed a friend of mines boy for life. Must've
been one of them you ran across....
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172.7 | | MPGS::MARKEY | Pee Wee Herman for Surgeon General! | Mon Dec 12 1994 16:23 | 4 |
| By the way... I thought of the name of the Navy Medics as I was going
to the caf for lunch... Corpsmen!
-b
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172.8 | | GRANPA::MWANNEMACHER | Montanabound, oneof these days | Mon Dec 12 1994 16:31 | 3 |
|
Yup, I've pondered the ramifications of making a toodoo about this.
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172.9 | | MPGS::MARKEY | Pee Wee Herman for Surgeon General! | Mon Dec 12 1994 17:26 | 7 |
| >Yup, I've pondered the ramifications of making a toodoo about this.
Mike,
Just don't let your toodoo get you in doodoo. :-)
-b
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172.10 | :') | GRANPA::MWANNEMACHER | Montanabound, oneof these days | Mon Dec 12 1994 18:37 | 3 |
|
er.......okay.
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172.11 | | RANGLY::RICKER_STEVE | | Tue Dec 13 1994 01:23 | 8 |
| Guess this is the best place for this. In another note, I asserted
that a cop is obligated to enforce a law, even if he doesn't believe in
it or feels it is unconstitutional. It is the Judciary who is supposed
to rule on such things. I thought this was self evident, but was
promptly compared to the Nazi's. Other thoughts on this issue???
S.R.
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172.12 | | MOLAR::DELBALSO | I (spade) my (dogface) | Tue Dec 13 1994 01:34 | 6 |
| > Guess this is the best place for this.
> Other thoughts on this issue???
My thought would be, why did you put it here where we're trying to examine
why cops ignore the judiciary when they're trying to protect their own?
Hardly a good place to point out their positive aspects.
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172.13 | | SOLVIT::KRAWIECKI | Zebras should be seen and not herd | Tue Dec 13 1994 11:29 | 9 |
|
Ve vere only obeying orders Herr Commandant!!!
Do you know what they did with those people who refused to follow
certain "orders"? They were promptly transferred to the "front" to
become cannon fodder... At least their consciences were clear...
Who knows? Your "front" may become another Waco...
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172.14 | | BIGQ::SILVA | Nobody wants a Charlie in the Box! | Tue Dec 13 1994 13:30 | 21 |
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When I was a kid, long long ago, me and a friend of mine missed the
bus. We decided to walk to school. On our way the Chief of Police for Berlin MA
saw us walking. He pulled over and asked what we were doing. We told him. He
asked us if our parents knew, which we said no. He said to get into the car. Up
to this point there really is no problem. BUT, my friend was new in town, there
only a couple of weeks. The Chief called him by his name and asked if his
parents were home. Being surprised that the cop even knew who he was, he smiled
and said yeah. The brakes get pressed, we stop in the middle of the road. The
cop gets out, opens the back door and pulls the kid out shaking him screaming
he ain't gonna take any of his shit, and then threw him back in the car,
ripping his jacket, and slammed the door shut. When he brought us to my house,
his mother and my mother were outside talking (how convienant) He told them we
were skipping school and he caught us. The parents would have believed him too,
but my friends mother asked how his jacket got ripped. We answered before he
did. While we didn't get in trouble for this, our parents didn't do anything
about the dear old chief.
Glen
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172.15 | | MOLAR::DELBALSO | I (spade) my (dogface) | Tue Dec 13 1994 13:36 | 9 |
| >to this point there really is no problem. BUT, my friend was new in town, there
>only a couple of weeks. The Chief called him by his name and asked if his
>parents were home. Being surprised that the cop even knew who he was, he smiled
>and said yeah. The brakes get pressed, we stop in the middle of the road. The
>cop gets out, opens the back door and pulls the kid out shaking him screaming
>he ain't gonna take any of his [R.O.], and then threw him back in the car,
>ripping his jacket, and slammed the door shut. When he brought us to my house,
What did I miss here? What triggered the cop to go balistic?
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172.16 | | BIGQ::SILVA | Nobody wants a Charlie in the Box! | Tue Dec 13 1994 13:48 | 6 |
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We have yet to ever figure that out. He was always one who thrived on
intimidation, having a powerful family who ran the town, but what set him off
to that level is beyond me. Too much caffine?
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172.17 | | CONSLT::MCBRIDE | aspiring peasant | Tue Dec 13 1994 13:59 | 3 |
| Or maybe too much caffEine :-)
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172.18 | Lunchtime humor | VMSNET::M_MACIOLEK | Four54 Camaro/Only way to fly | Tue Dec 13 1994 14:29 | 51 |
| How to piss in a cops wheeties. :^) I got more of these too.
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Here's a really funny one.
I had (still own) a hot 1980 Z28. I drove it a lot, and was known
around town. My friend had a cheesy Nova with a 6 banger in it.
The local neighbors kids would make fun of him, cause their daddy
owned some hot deal Chevelle. I had recently bought a 1970 RS Camaro,
which was built pretty heavy too.
Anyways, about a week after I bought the car, me and the nova dude
get in my Camaro and swing by the neighbors house. It was about
10PM at night, and I stopped at the front of their house, for a few
seconds, dump it in 1st and...
BBBZZZZZZZZZZ, RRRRRRRRRRR ... RRRR.RRR RRRRZZZZZZzzzzZZZzzZZZZZzzzzz
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA<chirp>WWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Smoke screen - big time.
Anyways, this dude had to change his shorts.
So, me & Jimbo are out joy riding. I drop him off and head home.
As I'm pulling up to my house, I notice a trooper walking down
my driveway, get into his car and speed off.
I get out and walk up the driveway, and ask my pop what was up.
Seems the Suffield Cops got a call from an irate citizen, about
some young dude driving a black 1980 Z/28, license 687BKW, with
a couple runaway chicks in it. They phoned the Enfield police and
a cop went over to my house. <what my father told me>
He saw the Black Z28, 687BKW sitting in the driveway and confidently
walked up the driveway smacking his lips. Rang the doorbell and said
"Black Z28?", "687BKW"? "Mr. Maciolek, this car was observed doing
<all this real bad stuff> in Suffield."
My father said "Do you have a moment officer?" He said yes.
My father got a flash light and they went to the car, where my father
popped the hood, and to the cops amazement, the engine in the car
had the heads removed. The cop said "Oh shit, I'm really sorry" just
as I was idling up.. and he said "Hey, what about that car?", and my
father said "That's not 687BKW is it?". and he sulked off.
Sometimes, I feel sorry for all the crap I put my daddy throught, well,
my son will make it up to grandpa, I'm sure.
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172.19 | San Fran's well trained finest | CSSREG::BROWN | KB1MZ FN42 | Wed Dec 14 1994 14:28 | 76 |
| In article <3cih0t$t58@xring.cs.umd.edu>, Thomas Allen <THOMASA@Relations.usu.edu> writes:
From: Thomas Allen <THOMASA@Relations.usu.edu>
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
Subject: S.F. Stupid Cop Tricks
Date: 12 Dec 1994 16:57:49 -0500
Organization: VP Relations
Lines: 67
The following shooting occurred in San Francisco last week about
three blocks from my hotel. To summarize, eight cops shot more than
100 times at a suicidal Ethiopian armed with a toy hand grenade and
hit him three times for a shot/hit ration of less than 3%.
"BofA Suspect Had Once Been Mental Patient", San Francisco
Chronicle, 12/8/94. By Steve Rubenstein, Thaai Walker and Tara
Shioya, Chronicle Staff Writers.
"The man killed in a hail of police gunfire inside a downtown San
Francisco bank was a former mental patient at Atascadero State
Hospital, investigators said yesterday. Authorities identified the
suspect as Amanuel Abraha, 29... (stuff about history of deceased and
family reaction to shooting deleted).
Abraha was fatally shot Tuesday morning inside the Bank of America
branch at Powell and Market streets by eight officers, who fired
dozens of bullets after Abraha appeared to pull the pin on a hand
grenade and throw it at police. The grenade turned out to be an
inoperative training grenade containing no explosives.
At a press conference yesterday at the Hall of Justice, police Chief
Tony Ribera praised his officers for their valor and speed in
responding to the crisis. He said they used appropriate force.
"I know that when a number of rounds are being shot, the concern is:
Are these shots being fired in a reckless manner," Ribera said. "The
suspect clearly had deadly force in his possession, and he didn't go
down. It if took 100 rounds to (keep the public safe), it was 100
rounds well spent."
Asked if officers could have negotiated with Abraha rather than shoot
him, Ribera said: "If he was simply armed, negotiating could have
been a viable solution. But given the fact that he had hand grenades,
it was not."
(Police inspector Alex) Fagan said officers continued to fire at Abraha
because "at no time did he ever give any verbal response to the
officers nor did he appear to be hit." He said police still did not know
how many shots they fired.
Although police fired dozens of shots from close range -- by some
accounts as many as 100 shots in a two-minute period -- Abraha was
struck only three times. He was wounded in the head, knee and foot,
police said.
Fagan called the death a "police-assisted suicide" and said Abraha
intended not to rob the bank but to cause a disturbance that would
bring police."
(Details about pre-shooting events, alarms, etc. deleted).
Contributions to the Valor Award, Marksmanship Training and
Opthalmological Examination Fund should be directed to the San
Francisco Police Department. Just dial 911 and depend on the police
to protect you. They always hit their man, even if they do have to
reload two or three times to do so.
Thomas L. Allen
wk 801/797-1324
fax 801/797-1364
-------------------------------------------------------
"You cain't serve a writ on a rat, baby sister."
Reuben Cogburn
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172.20 | | CALDEC::RAH | the truth is out there. | Wed Dec 14 1994 14:50 | 3 |
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certainly a most pathetic display.
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172.21 | | HAAG::HAAG | Rode hard. Put up wet. | Wed Dec 14 1994 14:55 | 3 |
| you folks in kaliph ought to send your cops to the range once in awhile
to release some of that pent up hostility they seem to rain down on the
citizens with regularity.
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172.22 | where did the other 97 rounds go? your house?? | TIS::HAMBURGER | let's finish the job in '96 | Wed Dec 14 1994 15:02 | 13 |
|
I have often thought the best weapon in a police cruiser, just for these
situations, would be a Winchester or Marlin lever-action carbine in .44Mag
or .45LC. equip it with good peep sights. It would make these medium-range
shoot-outs much less deadly to bystanders and since a rifle is easier to
become accurate with than a handgun chances are 5 or 6 shots would have
resulted in the same 3 hits.(a good marksperson could have fired one to end
the engagement :-})
Giving cops handguns and no training, then throwing in a 12-guage for
"backup" doesn't work in these situations. A good street-rifle would.
Amos
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172.23 | | CALDEC::RAH | the truth is out there. | Wed Dec 14 1994 15:05 | 5 |
|
they go and play rambo with their MP4s regularly,
dressed in their commando suits as if they were
the OMON.
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172.24 | NOT | POWDML::BUCKLEY | I [heart] Roller Coasters! | Thu Dec 15 1994 19:03 | 32 |
| A couple of years ago, I got majorly harrassed by Worcester's finest.
I was driving down 122, and got majorly lost!! I took a wrong turn,
and a couple blocks down, realized I was not where I needed to be.
So, I bang a U-ee in the driveway of a project that just happened to
be there, and started to re-trace my steps. A cop car pulls out of
the project behind me and pulls me over.
First, they have me get out of the car, then they search me. Then
they proceed to search my ENTIRE bronco (which took them all of like
2 hours!). Gee, we were having fun now!
Since...
a) I have no police record, other than the fact they probably should
have been able to tell I have worked part-time as an officer, and
have tested many times to go fulltime with the state.
b) did not have any incriminating evidence on me
c) did not have any incriminating evidence in my car
...I figured all would be fine and they would let me go. Wrong. They
then decided to try the intimidation factor and tried to get me to
confess I had gone to the projects to buy drugs. They didn't like my
arguement that I only had about $3.00 in my wallet, and that wasn't
going to get me much of anything, much less drugs. However, they kept
me there another hour yelling and screaming at me before someone with
half a brain decided to tell them to let me go.
Gotta say, that was probably some of the most _quality_ 4 hours I've
ever spent on God's earth...
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172.25 | | CALDEC::RAH | Make strangeness work for you! | Thu Dec 15 1994 19:42 | 2 |
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was it a white bronco?
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172.26 | People in glass houses... | MKOTS3::LEE_S | | Mon Dec 26 1994 17:48 | 8 |
| >172.4 should've let it burn. cops are useless.
I'm sorry you feel that way 172.4. I just hope nothing ever happens
that you would require their services.
Perhaps a few bad apples give them a bad reputation, but the fact of
the matter remains that they are willing to put their lives on the line
for you.
steve
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172.27 | | GRANPA::MWANNEMACHER | yup, it's a watchamacallit | Tue Dec 27 1994 11:36 | 12 |
|
Steve,
I don't buy it. They want the excitement and the power. Sure, some
start out by wanting to help their fellow person, but much of that is
soon lost. I've seen it first hand.
Mike
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172.28 | ehhhhh, to each his own! 8-) | MKOTS3::LEE_S | | Tue Dec 27 1994 11:57 | 10 |
| Mike Re:172.27
Well, I do agree that some do start out as trying to help their fellow
man, and many do become power hungry. Like I said, a few bad apples,
and all.
I guess I am fortunate to have not have seen that deterioration
first-hand, and I hope I do not.
But, like I said before, we're not all the swine you make us out to be.
steve
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172.29 | | TROOA::COLLINS | Gone ballistic. Back in 5 minutes. | Fri Jul 14 1995 19:22 | 15 |
172.30 | | MPGS::MARKEY | The bottom end of Liquid Sanctuary | Fri Jul 14 1995 19:25 | 7 |
|
From what I've read, those Montreal cops are real doozies...
This case, and several other similar incidents, were recently
discussed in a Boston Glob article.
-b
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172.31 | | SOLVIT::KRAWIECKI | Zebwas have foot-in-mouth disease! | Fri Jul 14 1995 19:26 | 8 |
|
Awwwwwwww.... poor babies.... their weekends all shot to hell for the
next 2 years or so!!! Tsk tsk....
Funny it doesn't say what they'll be doing the other 5 days of the
week... perhaps back on the job???
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172.32 | | TROOA::COLLINS | Gone ballistic. Back in 5 minutes. | Fri Jul 14 1995 19:28 | 5 |
|
Yes, the Montreal force is pretty bad. Several serious incidents over
the past few years. The Toronto and Vancouver forces have had their
problems too, but neither as bad as Montreal.
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172.33 | Customs Corruption | TROOA::COLLINS | Careful! That sponge has corners! | Wed Jul 26 1995 15:16 | 45 |
|
Quoted without permission from today's `Toronto Star',
by Naomi Klein
For a lot of people, 11-time `Playboy' model Lisa Heughan makes an unlikely
feminist heroine. But for the past two-and-a-half years, the 25-year-old
Toronto-based model and actor has waged an exhaustive, and mostly secret,
battle against the U.S. Customs department over allegations of sexual
harassment.
Heughan says that when she tried to get entry into the United States at
Pearson International Airport on New Year's Eve, 1992, U.S. Customs agents
- who had seen pictures of her in `Playboy' - tried to extort their own
private strip show. But one-and-a-half years after Canadian police
concluded that a crime had been committed and the U.S. Attorney-General's
office instructed that the agents be disciplined, the offending officers
are still working at Pearson.
Heughan says that she was detained at Pearson's Terminal 3 for 12 hours,
during which four officers looked through the copies of `Playboy' they found
in her briefcase and barraged her with lewd comments about her body. The
agents refused to let her cross the border, accusing her of planning to work
illegally in the U.S. Then, she says, she was offered a deal: Perform a
strip-tease at the customs agents' New Year's Eve party that night and she
could cross the border the next day. The agents gave her a map to the party,
which she submitted as evidence to the FBI. Heughan says she was then taken
into a private "employees only" room by one of the agents where he caressed
her face, rubbed his groin, and offered to let her cross in exchange for
oral sex.
She fled to the main airport terminal where she was approached by a female
American Airlines employee who noticed her distress. The two immediately
reported the incident to the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. Because the
agents are employees of the U.S. government, the RCMP and the local Peel
Region police force passed the case on to the FBI.
Based on extensive interviews with airport employees and the agents in
question - including one who testified against his fellow officers - the
FBI report found that "the subjects did invite her to the party." At least
two agents were found to have "lied in their sworn affidavits in their
attempt to cover up their involvement in this incident," the report says.
It also states that an agent "did meet with Heughan in an interview room"
in a manner that was "suspicious" and that when questioned, he "was found
not to be truthful during polygraph examination on the issue."
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172.34 | | NOTIME::SACKS | Gerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085 | Wed Jul 26 1995 15:19 | 2 |
| Is Pearson the Toronto airport? Why are there U.S. customs officials at
a Canadian airport?
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172.35 | | POLAR::RICHARDSON | Painful But Yummy | Wed Jul 26 1995 15:22 | 2 |
| It reduces congestion at Chicago O'Hare by having people clear customs in
Toronto.
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172.36 | | TROOA::COLLINS | Careful! That sponge has corners! | Wed Jul 26 1995 15:23 | 5 |
|
Yes, Pearson is Toronto International. For flights to the U.S.,
passengers pass through customs before boarding. Don't know why,
except maybe that they think it might be more efficient.
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172.37 | | POLAR::RICHARDSON | Painful But Yummy | Wed Jul 26 1995 15:30 | 7 |
| Well, Toronto being a major hub it makes it easier for the other
airports. I liked getting the customs thing out of the way before
landing at O'Hare. Makes getting your connecting flight a whole lot
easier.
I suppose the other reason is, if they refuse entry to someone, they
don't have to fly them back to Canada.
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172.38 | Contractor sues town of Shrewsbury for false arrest | MILKWY::JACQUES | Vintage taste, reissue budget | Wed Jul 26 1995 18:01 | 56 |
172.39 | | DEVLPR::DKILLORAN | It ain't easy, bein' sleezy! | Wed Jul 26 1995 18:20 | 7 |
|
> The only explanation I can come up with is....arrogance.
Greed, power trip, and maybe a couple of others apply.
Dan
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172.40 | | MPGS::MARKEY | The bottom end of Liquid Sanctuary | Wed Jul 26 1995 18:26 | 10 |
|
re: .37
i haven't read the article in question, so i'm left wondering
how the contractor responded to the police officer. your
note makes it sound like a benevolent "explanation of the
facts", whereas the reality could have been more like "look
you effing pig, we don't _need_ no steenking registration".
-b
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172.41 | He should have called the US marshall to get him out | VMSNET::M_MACIOLEK | Four54 Camaro/Only way to fly | Wed Jul 26 1995 19:53 | 22 |
| re: Note 172.38 by MILKWY::JACQUES
That's why I do what I do.
May I see your license?
No. Good bye.
May I see your license?
Is that a demand?
Yes. (hmmm... now we have an ARMED threat)
Demand identification, including HIS drivers license (so you know
where to put the lien on your new house)
May I see your license?
No, get a warrant from a judge. (you have no requirement to identify
yourself unless your being arrested. To arrest someone, you need
a warrant. You didn't give probable cause, you didn't volunteer
information, you didn't play HIS game - he played yours)
Drive off.
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172.42 | read it and weep | MILKWY::JACQUES | Vintage taste, reissue budget | Wed Jul 26 1995 20:00 | 14 |
172.43 | This'll be settled "out of court". | VMSNET::M_MACIOLEK | Four54 Camaro/Only way to fly | Wed Jul 26 1995 20:35 | 17 |
| You know why the suit was filed in federal court?
Notice I said "he should have called the us marshall".
Legally he was kidnapped, and held for ransom. That is a big no-no.
In legal terms its "false arrest" or whatever, but the basis was
he was kidnapped. His only legal rememdy is via federal civil
action.
re: one persons words.
No, the cop went onto PRIVATE property, probably WITHOUT a complaint,
therefore no probable cause, took the guy away and stuck him
in jail. That's deprivation of freedom. Then they had to ransom
him to get himself out (called bond). Plus....
THEY GAVE HIM ALL THE EVIDENCE HE NEEDS TO PROVE THIS IN COURT.
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172.44 | Scary tactic, but it DOES work. | SCAS01::GUINEO::MOORE | Outta my way. IT'S ME ! | Wed Jul 26 1995 20:47 | 3 |
| .41
Make sure you have a passenger in the car with you as a witness.
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172.45 | See you in court, Sonny! | MILKWY::JACQUES | Vintage taste, reissue budget | Wed Jul 26 1995 20:52 | 24 |
172.46 | This should go in the "fun facts" topic | VMSNET::M_MACIOLEK | Four54 Camaro/Only way to fly | Wed Jul 26 1995 21:17 | 17 |
| re: Note 172.44 by SCAS01::GUINEO::MOORE
> Scary tactic, but it DOES work.
Isn't it ironic (sad realy) we have to do this?
> Make sure you have a passenger in the car with you as a witness.
(After parking in a safe area, like a gas station next to a witness)
"Officer, this conversation is being recorded for our safety"
Sorry sir.
Also, NEVER NEVER get out of your LOCKED car, with the windows rolled
down about 2 inches. If you get out, your his. (you're now on
public property)
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172.47 | | VMSNET::M_MACIOLEK | Four54 Camaro/Only way to fly | Wed Jul 26 1995 21:22 | 11 |
| re: Note 172.45 by MILKWY::JACQUES
They have to settle out of court. I'll tell you why:
18 USC 1652 Citizens as Pirates. Life imprisonment
18 USC 1661 Robbery ashore. Life imprisonment
18 USC 241 ????? 10 years prison
18 USC 242 Deprivation of Rights under Color of Law. 1 year, 10
if bodily harm occurs, Life if death occurs.
These are "the other charges". Go read the complaint.
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172.48 | | TROOA::COLLINS | Careful! That sponge has corners! | Sun Jul 30 1995 15:28 | 10 |
|
Re: .33:
The Toronto Star printed a correction in yesterday's paper to the
story I posted in .33, stating that they had mis-identified the
offending agents as U.S. Customs, when in fact the complaint was
laid against INS agents.
The Star (heh-heh) "regrets" the error. :^)
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172.49 | | EST::RANDOLPH | Tom R. N1OOQ | Thu Sep 21 1995 18:21 | 16 |
| Yesterday, a friend of my wife's stopped in the street, signal on, to pick up
a friend. This was on a dinky side street, no main thoroughfair. The friend
got in and they drove off, only to be pulled over shortly after.
"You were stopped in the middle of the road when I came around the corner",
sez the cop.
"Yes, I was picking up my friend", sez my wife's friend.
At this point, realizing he had absolutely nothing to charge her with, he
starts going over the car, making her work the turn signals, brake lights,
etc. and finally finds a turn signal out and writes her up.
In a similar situation, what would you do? Am I mistaken in believing that
she didn't have to comply with any of that crap, and could have bid him good
day and driven off?
|
172.50 | | BUSY::SLABOUNTY | Holy rusted metal, Batman! | Thu Sep 21 1995 18:27 | 5 |
|
Point to the [valid, hopefully] inspection sticker and mention
that a certified inspection station has already declared this
vehicle roadworthy. Have a nice day.
|
172.51 | | GRANPA::MWANNEMACHER | NRA fighting for our RIGHTS | Thu Sep 21 1995 18:33 | 4 |
|
Correct, ask him/her why you were stopped and if they can't give a
reason say, seeya.
|
172.52 | | PCBUOA::KRATZ | | Fri Sep 22 1995 16:23 | 6 |
| re .49
This in Mass, right?
I have noticed that Massachuesetts drivers have no concept whatsover
of pulling off the road; they just stop in the middle of the road.
I don't think it's too much of a stretch to have this written up
as improper lane utilization.
|
172.53 | | PENUTS::DDESMAISONS | person B | Fri Sep 22 1995 16:27 | 4 |
| >> I have noticed that Massachuesetts drivers have no concept whatsover
yeah, we all drive exactly the same way, you're right. how
very observant of you to have noticed this.
|
172.54 | | SUBPAC::SADIN | frankly scallop, I don't give a clam! | Sun Sep 24 1995 18:52 | 8 |
|
re -1
it's much easier to lump us all into the same bucket Lady Di....
|
172.55 | | WMOIS::GIROUARD_C | | Mon Sep 25 1995 09:19 | 2 |
| and besides no one from another has ever done this
^^^^^^
|
172.56 | | CONSLT::MCBRIDE | Reformatted to fit your screen | Mon Sep 25 1995 13:20 | 3 |
| Another? Where is Another? I've been to Somewhere but never Another.
Do they dirve erratically and cluelessly in Another? Maybe this
should be in 17...:-)
|
172.57 | effin goose-stepper | VMSNET::M_MACIOLEK | Four54 Camaro/Only way to fly | Sat Sep 30 1995 03:13 | 8 |
| re: Note 172.49 by EST::RANDOLPH
Hopefully your wifes friend asked this state agent for two pieces
of identification (as required by state law, at least in Georgia).
Not only do you see the badge, but you see something else with an
address on it. He'll be the one saying "see ya later".
MadMike
|
172.58 | Why am I cranky today? Here's why. | AIMHI::MARTIN | actually Rob Cashmon, NHPM::CASHMON | Wed Oct 11 1995 09:33 | 37 |
|
I'll be off for the next two days, and I'll post a more detailed
description of tonight's events when I return, but before I go,
I wanted to leave you with a topic to think about...
Police officer A pulls into a certain computer company's parking
lot in the middle of the night and sits at the back of the lot,
lights off. When approached and asked if he is on official
business, he:
A.) says no.
B.) when informed that he is on private property, says that he's
a police officer and can go anywhere he wants to go.
C.) when asked to leave if he is not on official business,
refuses.
D.) when informed that he is now trespassing on private property
and asked to leave, threatens to arrest the person who is
informing him of these things for obstruction of justice.
Questions: Is this not trespassing? If he is not on official
business, is it proper for him to refuse to leave private property
without permission? Is this not harassment of the employees of that
computer company, since he was obviously just waiting for the night
shift to get off work so he could follow them out of the parking lot
(okay, that is an assumption on my part.) How can I be charged with
obstruction of justice if there is no investigation going on?
Discuss amongst yourselves, if you would. I'll be back on Friday
night (I hope.)
Rob
|
172.59 | | SUBPAC::SADIN | frankly scallop, I don't give a clam! | Wed Oct 11 1995 10:22 | 19 |
|
Rob, he was wrong. A police officer needs a warrant to enter
onto/into private property. Unless he was on official business (and he
said he wasn't) he's trespassing.
Of course, he could arrest you, bring you to jail, make you post
bail and fight him in the courts, etc. Probably the worst he'd get is a
60 day suspension with pay. This happened to a friend of mine who was
falsely arrested just because the officer didn't happen to like him.
Once he got his record cleared (after a couple grand in lawyers fees)
his lawyer told him not to pursue it any furthur. The lawyer said my
friend would have to spend upwards of $10K and the cop would definitely
not get booted from the force (at worst, 60 days off with pay..nice
vacation!).
Register a complaint with the local PD, speak with the chief if you
can, write a letter to the local paper, but don't expect much.
jim
|
172.60 | | SUBPAC::SADIN | frankly scallop, I don't give a clam! | Wed Oct 11 1995 10:23 | 7 |
|
.....unless of course this was NH where parking lots are PUBLIC
property, not private (according to NH law).
jim
|
172.61 | | BIGHOG::PERCIVAL | I'm the NRA,USPSA/IPSC,NROI-RO | Wed Oct 11 1995 10:50 | 15 |
| <<< Note 172.58 by AIMHI::MARTIN "actually Rob Cashmon, NHPM::CASHMON" >>>
Rob, We need a few more details.
Are you with Security? Are you an officer of the Corporation?
If the answers to these questions are "no", then I don't believe
that you have the authority to ask someone to leave company
property.
If they answer to either one is "yes", then the best approach
would be to get a badge or car number and call the station
with your complaint.
Jim
|
172.62 | | BUSY::SLABOUNTY | A swift kick in the butt - $1 | Wed Oct 11 1995 12:37 | 9 |
|
RE: Jim
But as non-security employees, we're expected to police the
entrances and make sure no one unauthorized is to come into
our sites?
Which is it?
|
172.63 | | TROOA::COLLINS | Cyberian Puppy | Wed Oct 11 1995 12:43 | 5 |
|
.62, Shawn:
Standing orders are to notify security, NOT confront the intruder.
|
172.64 | | MKOTS3::JMARTIN | I press on toward the goal | Wed Oct 11 1995 13:07 | 7 |
| Rob:
Will I be implicated as an accomplice because you're using my account?
Will they check further into some of my writings?
Are one way tickets to Mexico inexpensive these days?
|
172.65 | | DASHER::RALSTON | MR. NEXT UNSEEN | Wed Oct 11 1995 13:40 | 8 |
| Come on Rob, your quilty and you know your guilty. Some poor innocent
police officer just minding his own business, protecting us from all the
known parking lot criminal activity, trying to spend taxpayer money
efficiently and keep your parking lot safe, probably drinking a cup of
java and eating a fresh Duncun Donut, is assaulted by you and you
complain. Sounds like obstruction to me. I suggest you handcuff
yourself and walk, don't drive, to you closest friendly police station
and turn yourself in!!!
|
172.66 | | BUSY::SLABOUNTY | A swift kick in the butt - $1 | Wed Oct 11 1995 13:47 | 4 |
|
Rob, you weren't wrong for what you did, but I do have to say
it probably isn't the brightest thing you've ever done.
|
172.67 | | TROOA::COLLINS | Cyberian Puppy | Wed Oct 11 1995 13:50 | 3 |
|
What's the brightest thing he's ever done?
|
172.68 | | CONSLT::MCBRIDE | Reformatted to fit your screen | Wed Oct 11 1995 13:52 | 3 |
| >>>Come on Rob, your quilty....
Is quilting in public a felony or a missed demeanor?
|
172.69 | Sorry, I ment g, I think :) | DASHER::RALSTON | MR. NEXT UNSEEN | Wed Oct 11 1995 13:54 | 1 |
|
|
172.70 | | BUSY::SLABOUNTY | A swift kick in the butt - $1 | Wed Oct 11 1995 14:00 | 6 |
|
>Is quilting in public a felony or a missed demeanor?
You can't really make a blanket statement like that ... depends
on the locale.
|
172.71 | | CONSLT::MCBRIDE | Reformatted to fit your screen | Wed Oct 11 1995 14:00 | 1 |
| That's comforting to know.
|
172.72 | | GRANPA::MWANNEMACHER | NRA fighting for our RIGHTS | Wed Oct 11 1995 14:09 | 2 |
|
DARN IT, cut this spreading of the foolishness....
|
172.73 | | TROOA::COLLINS | Cyberian Puppy | Wed Oct 11 1995 14:14 | 3 |
|
Cops don't have blankets, duvet?
|
172.74 | | GRANPA::MWANNEMACHER | NRA fighting for our RIGHTS | Wed Oct 11 1995 14:15 | 3 |
|
Then why do they always say "cover me"?
|
172.75 | re .58 | CSC32::J_OPPELT | Wanna see my scar? | Wed Oct 11 1995 15:19 | 2 |
| If the cop is not on official business, what justice were you
obstructing when he threatened you with arrest?
|
172.76 | | TROOA::COLLINS | Cyberian Puppy | Wed Oct 11 1995 15:22 | 3 |
|
I guess bothering an on-duty cop in any way is obstructing him.
|
172.77 | | CONSLT::MCBRIDE | Reformatted to fit your screen | Wed Oct 11 1995 16:23 | 2 |
| He probably actually said obstructing jellyfilled but with his mouth
full it came out differntly.
|
172.78 | The differance between between right and wrong(right) | MILKWY::JACQUES | Vintage taste, reissue budget | Wed Oct 11 1995 19:37 | 27 |
172.79 | | BUSY::SLABOUNTY | I'm with stupid ----> | Wed Oct 11 1995 19:58 | 3 |
|
Digital facilities are posted as "private property".
|
172.80 | | RUSURE::EDP | Always mount a scratch monkey. | Thu Oct 12 1995 11:44 | 17 |
| Re .60:
> .....unless of course this was NH where parking lots are PUBLIC
> property, not private (according to NH law).
What New Hampshire law? I couldn't fine anything in the RSA that said
this. The chapter on traffic laws begins with a statement that the
laws apply to "highways", and the first annotation to that is a case in
which the court decided one of the laws in the chapter did NOT apply to
a private parking lot.
-- edp
Public key fingerprint: 8e ad 63 61 ba 0c 26 86 32 0a 7d 28 db e7 6f 75
To find PGP, read note 2688.4 in Humane::IBMPC_Shareware.
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172.81 | Step into this jail, said the fly to the spider. | DPDMAI::GUINEO::MOORE | HEY! All you mimes be quiet! | Fri Oct 13 1995 04:09 | 15 |
|
In Texas, where most of you don't live, an officer is FORBIDDEN to
enter any property where a "POSTED: NO TRESPASSING" sign is
staked, nailed, or in plain view...unless the officer in question
has a warrant.
Two IRS agents found this out the hard way, by virtue of a 3 day
stay in the slammer. This is precedent here in Texas...no court
has ever overturned it...move down here, and you'll find a better
view of right and wrong.
Of course, there was that nasty turn in Waco...but we've already been
through that.
Barry
|
172.82 | How's yer new law ? | GAAS::BRAUCHER | Frustrated Incorporated | Fri Oct 13 1995 12:02 | 4 |
|
So Barry, are ya carryin' concealed yet ?
bb
|
172.83 | | ROWLET::AINSLEY | Less than 150kts is TOO slow! | Fri Oct 13 1995 12:21 | 6 |
| re: .82
He can't legally do that yet. The application and training/testing
process started 9/1 with the ability to carry starting on 1/1/96.
Bob
|
172.84 | right from the horse's mouth | EST::RANDOLPH | Tom R. N1OOQ | Mon Oct 16 1995 18:11 | 32 |
| I give you the discussion in its entirety, <r.o>s deleted... you be the
judge.
>Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
>Subject: Re: Police Radar - Some Facts
>>>The errors will be made by the officer, not the electronics.
>>I once got a radar ticket for doing 125mph in a six-cylinder '49 Chevy.
>>I was transmitting on 10m at the time. Although the judge didn't
>>understand harmonics, he just didn't believe that my '49 Chevy would
>>go 125mph.
>I can't believe the officer would even give a ticket that stupid. In all the
>radar tickets I got (about 3 as I recall) the policeman never showed up
>in court. I waited 5 hours for my turn usually, and the bailif would call
>me and the policeman. There being no policeman, the case was dismissed.
>Yea, OK, where do I get my 5 hours pay?? :-) *******s...
>My older brother had a 49 Chevy, but it had a 283 race engine and a Muncie
>4 Speed. It couldn't do 125 MPH, but it could jump a block in 2 seconds :-)
>Wonderful automobile. I think he sold it in 73 when the Arabs got po'd...
Gee, I'm amazed. When I was a cop, I would have forgone sex to have a
chance to prosecute a ******head like you. I would have told my
supervisor that I couldn't handle the fatal accident I was assigned at
the same time as my court appearance. I would have told my daughter
"tough luck" when she ran a fever on the way to the babysitter's house. I
would have INSISTED that I be allowed to get out of the investigation I
was conducting in order to come to court and harass some little jerk like
you who got my attention because he was driving with his head up his ***
in the first place...
|
172.85 | | MAIL1::CRANE | | Wed Oct 18 1995 10:21 | 2 |
| .84
Do I sense a bit of hostility here? :')
|
172.86 | | COVERT::COVERT | John R. Covert | Fri Mar 08 1996 22:41 | 78 |
172.87 | | COVERT::COVERT | John R. Covert | Fri Mar 08 1996 22:42 | 1 |
| "Liquid hell" is a slang term for mace.
|
172.88 | | SPECXN::CONLON | A Season of Carnelians | Fri Mar 08 1996 22:54 | 11 |
| They showed part of this tape on CNN (I think) last night.
It was outrageous. He was yanking on her to get her out of the
car although her seatbelt was still fastened.
He was absolutely BELLOWING at her. "Get out of the car! NOW!!!!!!!!
NOW!!!!!!!!!!!" He had his gun pointed at her.
He pushed her down on her face (on the pavement) really hard, too.
What a maniac.
|
172.89 | | BIGQ::SILVA | Benevolent 'pedagogues' of humanity | Sat Mar 09 1996 00:25 | 5 |
|
Suz...maybe they didn't show it on CNN...maybe it was on Cops. :-)
Glad he got fired, though.
|
172.90 | | POLAR::RICHARDSON | Alrighty, bye bye then. | Sat Mar 09 1996 02:43 | 2 |
| "Didn't think you'd be dead meat? You shouldn't have pinned her on the
street."
|
172.91 | | CONSLT::MCBRIDE | Keep hands & feet inside ride at all times | Mon Mar 11 1996 12:14 | 1 |
| "Want your record to have a scar? Yank a speeder outtada' car."
|
172.92 | | BUSY::SLABOUNTY | Don't like my p_n? 1-800-328-7448 | Mon Mar 11 1996 13:38 | 5 |
|
Speeding, failure to stop for a police officer, resisting arrest.
I think he should've shot her, actually.
|
172.93 | | EDSCLU::JAYAKUMAR | | Mon Mar 11 1996 13:59 | 5 |
| All said and done, did anyone care to ask her why she didn't stop for 7
minutes..? It will be very intimidating with those flashy lights and sirens
blasting!
If only this lady had been an African American...
|
172.94 | | POWDML::HANGGELI | Little Chamber of French Heaters | Mon Mar 11 1996 14:03 | 7 |
|
I wouldn't stop for an unmarked car. Women are repeatedly told NOT to
EVER stop along the road for an unmarked car; to instead drive to the
nearest police or fire station or hospital or somewhere similar before
stopping.
|
172.95 | He disobeyed the rule about wearing his hat. | SPECXN::CONLON | A Season of Carnelians | Mon Mar 11 1996 14:08 | 3 |
| The guy wasn't wearing his police hat, either (which they are required
to wear when trying to stop someone.) It's part of their identification
to the public.
|
172.96 | | WMOIS::GIROUARD_C | | Mon Mar 11 1996 14:41 | 1 |
| poor brakes? she was doing 80mph after all.
|
172.97 | | PENUTS::DDESMAISONS | person B | Mon Mar 11 1996 14:45 | 7 |
| > <<< Note 172.94 by POWDML::HANGGELI "Little Chamber of French Heaters" >>>
> Women are repeatedly told NOT to
> EVER stop along the road for an unmarked car;
told by whom? nobody has told me this even once, let alone
repeatedly. i feel left out, as usual.
|
172.98 | | SUBPAC::SADIN | Freedom isn't free. | Mon Mar 11 1996 14:50 | 8 |
|
re: .97
Usually this is a key point in womens self defense classes.
jim
|
172.99 | | SPECXN::CONLON | A Season of Carnelians | Mon Mar 11 1996 14:53 | 20 |
| At the place I worked before Digital, a female police officer gave
a speech to the female employees of the company and told the women
not to EVER stop for a police officer in an unmarked car in an area
where there were few people nearby. She said to head for the nearest
police station with the police officer following.
She also said that women should never be willing to get out of the
car (if the women do stop for a police officer) and that the first
thing to do is to get the badge number of the cop and write it down.
Also, this police officer said to ROLL THROUGH stop signs if no one
else is around. (People can smash the window and reach inside if
you do make a full stop.)
This police officer lectured to women all over the country during the
early 1980s. She received all sorts of commendations for her lectures.
Her lecture series was about preventing rape. Apparently, a big
concern is that phony police officers (and a very few bad police
officers) are considered a danger to women on isolated roads.
|
172.100 | | POLAR::RICHARDSON | Alrighty, bye bye then. | Mon Mar 11 1996 14:56 | 1 |
| Also, never let an unmarked hitchhiker in your car.
|
172.101 | | PENUTS::DDESMAISONS | person B | Mon Mar 11 1996 14:56 | 5 |
|
so do the police, as a whole, condone the behavior? if so, i think
it's great, but i'd just like to be sure it's the police that are
instructing women not to stop, if i'm ever being "pulled over"
by an unmarked car.
|
172.102 | | BUSY::SLABOUNTY | Don't like my p_n? 1-800-328-7448 | Mon Mar 11 1996 15:01 | 10 |
|
Where'd she finally stop, then? In a lighted, populated area?
I doubt it.
And if I ever get stopped for rolling through a stop sign after
dark, I guess I can use the excuse "I didn't want to stop for
fear of being attacked by a woman with ONE THING on her mind".
|
172.103 | | NOTIME::SACKS | Gerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085 | Mon Mar 11 1996 15:06 | 1 |
| How do you find the nearest police station in an unfamiliar area?
|
172.104 | | MOLAR::DELBALSO | I (spade) my (dogface) | Mon Mar 11 1996 15:08 | 2 |
| Channel 9 on your handy-dandy CB radio.
|
172.105 | | NOTIME::SACKS | Gerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085 | Mon Mar 11 1996 15:12 | 1 |
| CB radios have been out of fashion for years, good buddy.
|
172.106 | | CSLALL::HENDERSON | We shall behold Him! | Mon Mar 11 1996 15:13 | 10 |
|
>How do you find the nearest police station in an unfamiliar area?
stop at a payphone in a well lighted, populated area, and call directory
assitance.
Jim
|
172.107 | | MOLAR::DELBALSO | I (spade) my (dogface) | Mon Mar 11 1996 15:16 | 3 |
| Well, Gerald, I guess that explains why I couldn't get any police assistance
on Rte. 3 a few weeks ago when my engine threw a rod and I was stranded.
|
172.108 | | CSLALL::HENDERSON | We shall behold Him! | Mon Mar 11 1996 15:17 | 13 |
|
>CB radios have been out of fashion for years, good buddy.
Well, that's a big 10-4..keep it between the ditches, and we'll catch
you on the flip flop.
Jim
|
172.109 | | BUSY::SLABOUNTY | Don't like my p_n? 1-800-328-7448 | Mon Mar 11 1996 15:20 | 6 |
|
Does someone want to tell Gerald what "good buddy" has come to
mean?
Nah, he'll figure it out.
|
172.110 | | POWDML::HANGGELI | Little Chamber of French Heaters | Mon Mar 11 1996 15:23 | 8 |
|
>How do you find the nearest police station in an unfamiliar area?
Good question. Any suggestions?
I know you can find hospitals by following the H signs. Dunno about
police and fire stations.
|
172.111 | | MKOTS3::JOLLIMORE | On the threshold of a dream | Mon Mar 11 1996 15:25 | 5 |
| >> >How do you find the nearest police station in an unfamiliar area?
> Good question. Any suggestions?
Follow the H signs and call from there?
|
172.112 | | POLAR::RICHARDSON | Alrighty, bye bye then. | Mon Mar 11 1996 15:27 | 1 |
| H preparation is always a good idea.
|
172.113 | | SMURF::WALTERS | | Mon Mar 11 1996 15:30 | 1 |
| oinkment for pigs?
|
172.114 | this might work | GAAS::BRAUCHER | Welcome to Paradise | Mon Mar 11 1996 16:50 | 4 |
|
Try a Dunkin Doughnuts ?
bb
|
172.115 | RESPECT... | POLAR::WAUCAUSH | | Tue Jun 25 1996 01:25 | 56 |
| RE:172.4 Rah
"Should've let it burn. Cops are useless"
And the rest of ya's!
Boo Hoo! you got a ticket! The big bad police man was'nt nice to you!
I got a ticket for doing 80 in a 60 zone. Cops are all losers! Yet
the second your walking down the street and someone comes speeding
along you all bellow "Where are the cops, when someone is breaking the
law?" I think alot of people have to grow up from the immature attitude
they have of police officers. Hey man, when that cop took your 24 of
beer when you were 16 years old, it was nothing personal.
I think it's really sad that people hate the police. There here
for your protection, they come to work every day knowing that they may
inevitable pay the ultimate price of losing their life to some one who
does'nt like police. Can you blame them if they seem a little
apprehensive to come skipping and singing up to your car and play
little games of why you should'nt be getting a ticket and that this cop
should just go back to his cruiser and finish off his doughnuts?
What would you all say to the Family of the Nepean Police officer
who was killed while he sat quietly eating his lunch in a mall. When a
male came up to him and started to shoot at him point blank for no
reason. Would you say to his crying wife "Cops are useless"?
What about the 27 yeard old Police officer in Toronto who in 1995
was killed when he was shot walking down the street, doing his job and
protecting the public...you.
Every one loves a Fireman, our hero in times of need. Smashing
through a wall of flames to save us from death. Every loves the
Para-medics. What about the two police officers, flag down by
a pedestrian yelling about a bank robery. The officers respond and
chase the car down a one way street. The robbers ditch the car and
start shooting at police who have also taken off on foot. Bang one
officer goes down, shot in the foot. Bang another officer goes down
with injuries that would retire him from the force. For what? For
every one who has recieved a ticket from a police officer doing his job
that your taxes pay for, to be called names, disrespected and
unappreciated by society?
Should we make fun of and call every ones mother names too?
When you were punished from your mother did you every say she was
useless?
Think for a moment if you would, what it must be like to be a
police officer...To have every one expect you to solve their problems.
To listen to car after car complain that they did nothing wrong and
that there gonna be late for something. Imagine walking up to a car in
the middle of the night, with all its windows tinted, and three guys in
the car and one has a gun. Imagine what it would be like if you
were'nt going home to your family today.
|
172.116 | | THEMAX::SMITH_S | | Tue Jun 25 1996 03:04 | 2 |
| Wow! Catching up from '94?
|
172.117 | | CSLALL::HENDERSON | Every knee shall bow | Tue Jun 25 1996 03:15 | 5 |
|
hasn't discovered the next unseen key
|
172.118 | | THEMAX::SMITH_S | smeller's the feller | Tue Jun 25 1996 03:24 | 2 |
| Well I would like to hear a response from Rah.
-ss
|
172.119 | | WAHOO::LEVESQUE | plus je bois, mieux je chante | Tue Jun 25 1996 11:28 | 1 |
| That would be a trick, since he hasn't been here for a year.
|
172.120 | | FABSIX::J_SADIN | Freedom isn't free. | Tue Jun 25 1996 13:14 | 13 |
|
re: .115
Some cops are good, some are bad, some are downright criminal. I've
met all three kinds. To say people have no reason to complain about how
some cops treat them is wrong. Some cops are "useless".
jim
p.s - yes I am related to and work with cops on a regular basis.
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172.121 | Cops..should they get special consideration? | TEXAS1::SOBECKY | It's complicated. | Tue Jul 23 1996 23:46 | 29 |
|
Cross posted in MENNOTES..
Cops..what do you think of them?
They have special laws that call for more severe sentences if you happen to
kill one of them.
They have all the 'toys'..the guns, the radios, the helicopters, the cars,
the vests, the support structures, the LAWS, to back them up.
They can arrest you if you don't answer them correctly, or if you don't
obey them quick enough.
Often the mere nature of the job attracts the worst candidates; those who
have a desire to control.
Yet the trend is to support and protect them, even though instances of them
abusing their granted powers is on the rise.
They are chartered to serve and to protect. Yet they seek special protection
for their occupation, and many times abuse their position.
So, what do you think of cops?
Discuss.
John
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172.122 | | MFGFIN::E_WALKER | I'm out of p-name ideas | Tue Jul 23 1996 23:52 | 5 |
| I wouldn't want their job. Having to deal with the very worst
elements of society on a regular basis would give anyone a negative
attitude. The question of whether or not cops should get special
consideration is rather silly - they need special consideration in
order to do their job effectively.
|
172.123 | | THEMAX::SMITH_S | | Tue Jul 23 1996 23:52 | 1 |
| I hate the Gustapo.
|
172.124 | Moderators!!!!! Topic 172 | COVERT::COVERT | John R. Covert | Tue Jul 23 1996 23:56 | 1 |
| See the existing Cops topic.
|
172.125 | Mea culpa | TEXAS1::SOBECKY | It's complicated. | Wed Jul 24 1996 00:57 | 4 |
|
You're right, John. Not being a frequent reader, I missed note 172.
John
|
172.126 | | WMOIS::GIROUARD_C | | Wed Jul 24 1996 10:26 | 1 |
| Gestapo nnttm
|
172.127 | | POWDML::HANGGELI | mouth responsibility | Fri Jan 17 1997 17:12 | 51 |
172.128 | | STAR::JESSOP | Ankylosaurs had afterburners | Fri Jan 17 1997 17:29 | 14 |
172.129 | | AXPBIZ::OLSON | DBTC Palo Alto | Mon Jan 20 1997 15:39 | 16 |
172.130 | | WAHOO::LEVESQUE | Spott Itj | Mon Jan 20 1997 15:46 | 8 |
172.131 | | GMASEC::KELLY | It's Deja-Vu, All Over Again | Mon Jan 20 1997 16:01 | 3 |
172.132 | | CSLALL::HENDERSON | Give the world a smile each day | Mon Jan 20 1997 16:04 | 9 |
172.133 | | GOJIRA::JESSOP | | Mon Jan 20 1997 18:23 | 5 |
172.134 | I guess all complaints are "whines" | WAHOO::LEVESQUE | Spott Itj | Mon Jan 20 1997 18:46 | 2 |
172.135 | | GOJIRA::JESSOP | | Mon Jan 20 1997 18:47 | 2 |
172.136 | | WAHOO::LEVESQUE | Spott Itj | Tue Jan 21 1997 10:18 | 6 |
172.137 | | GOJIRA::JESSOP | Ankylosaurs had afterburners | Tue Jan 21 1997 13:22 | 3 |
172.138 | | ASIC::RANDOLPH | Tom R. N1OOQ | Mon Mar 03 1997 15:30 | 18 |
| > Note 14.12925 News Briefs 12925 of 12925
> BRITE::FYFE "Use it up, wear it out, make it do, or" 20 lines 3-MAR-1997 12:17
>
> I was pulled over for this very reason. Local cop was very peeved, especially
>since it hadn't been two weeks since they helped collect money from a couple
>of nasties who recently did damage to the hood of my car.
>
>He waded through his green 'law' book for awhile and then finally wrote me
>up for improper opration of a motor vehicle.
>
>In court, after the charges were read and the cop gave his explaination, the
>judge looked over to the cop and asked 'do you really want to push this one?'.
Hmm, interesting way to spend the taxpayers' money. This is exactly the kind
of thing that yanks my chain. Official harrassment for the sake of being
"very peeved". Is this really the kind of person we want wearing a gun
around? We give these guys more and more power, to "protect" us, when in
fact the Supreme Court has ruled that they are not ever required to do so.
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172.139 | | CSLALL::HENDERSON | Give the world a smile each day | Mon Mar 03 1997 15:35 | 7 |
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Speaking of COPS, it was pre-empted by some skating show Saturday night :-/
Jim
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172.140 | Cops are just a cross section of society .... | BRITE::FYFE | Use it up, wear it out, make it do, or do without. | Mon Mar 03 1997 15:41 | 24 |
| >Hmm, interesting way to spend the taxpayers' money. This is exactly the kind
>of thing that yanks my chain. Official harrassment for the sake of being
>"very peeved". Is this really the kind of person we want wearing a gun
>around? We give these guys more and more power, to "protect" us, when in
>fact the Supreme Court has ruled that they are not ever required to do so.
Same police department, different cop, arrested my brother for possesion of
cocain, which he didn't have on him. The cop found residue in a glove found
behind the seat of my brothers friends pickup truck in which they were sitting.
Earlier that night this cop had been snorting in the mens room of the
restaurant which owned the parking lot the truck was in. (Lots of
'inside' information I won't bore you with :-)
Long sad story follows about friend trying to blame friend and on and on.
Longterm friendship is over.
The case against my brother was finally thrown out of court.
His friend was found guilty.
The cop was arrested shortly thereafter for forging prescritions and
drug usage. He was convicted.
Doug.
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172.141 | | ASIC::RANDOLPH | Tom R. N1OOQ | Mon Mar 03 1997 16:34 | 13 |
| > <<< Note 172.140 by BRITE::FYFE "Use it up, wear it out, make it do, or do without." >>>
> -< Cops are just a cross section of society .... >-
What society, thugs and druggies?
These guys should be nearly total robots. Emotion has no place in law, and
espcially in enforcement. There should also be checks and balances. How do
cops get investigated for wrongdoing? By other cops. Gee, real impartial.
Don't get me wrong... we have to have some sort of law enforcement. But we
also have to be realistic about it. Just because someone puts on a badge
doesn't mean they are incapable of abusing power. Many folks, especially
politicians, can't see this.
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172.142 | | SUBSYS::NEUMYER | Here's your sign | Mon Mar 03 1997 17:34 | 11 |
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re .140
>These guys should be nearly total robots. Emotion has no place in law, and
>espcially in enforcement. There should also be checks and balances. How do
In a perfect world it might happen. But in this life, COPS are justy
like everyone else - there are good ones and there are a lot of bad
ones.
ed
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