Conference back40::soapbox

	If only my wife would believe it....%^)

	My favorite beer is "Grolsch", from Holland of course.

	Yummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

    
    This is good news indeed!

    I always though that Germans knew something that we didn't.
    
    Marty

    Veeeeerrrrrry interesting. Even the excess thing. Wow. Guess I'll just
    have to work my way to 69 units.

Beer is rich in silicon?

    Took a tour of the Boston Beer Company's boutique "research" brewery
    in JP on Saturday with Marsden and Erica's father and brother.  (They
    really brew their beer in Penn and Washington, but they were goaded
    into opening a Boston brewery.)
    
    
    Marsden absolutely loved the barley.
    
    We (except Marsden) sampled the standard Sam Adams Boston Ale (good),
    a wouldn't pass the german purity laws Wheat beer doctored with Cranberry
    and Maple Syrup (odd citrus feel to that one) and then the Triple Bock.
    
    Now, an uncarbonated beer "aged" for 6 months in Jack Daniel's casks
    isn't what most people think of with beer.  A small bottle of beer
    priced like a cheap wine isn't either.  Personally, I prefer a
    more complex sherry that's made with grapes, not grain.
    
    
    And two thumbs up for Doyle's fish and chips, one thumbs up for the
    beef stew, and a little tiny enthusiastic thumbs up for their franks
    and beans (but Marsden didn't like the brown bread).
    
    								-mr. bill

    how about a primer on beer - process, types, tastes, differences. 
    
    jeff

    
    .6
    
    Sure, look at the Bud Girls!
    
    

    <--- Okay, if you really, really insist.  
    Brian

    
    If anyone happens to find yourself in Toronto during your travels, I
    recommend a tour of the Upper Canada Brewery.  It's free, takes about
    90 minutes, and they are VERY generous with the taste-testing.  Since
    there are 10 different beers to taste...well...you get the picture.
    
    Best freebie in town.
    

    I want to tour the Sleeman Brewery in Guelph someday. Gawd they make
    goo beer!

    
    Glenn,
    
    They *do* have tours, but some unlucky chump has to be the 
    designated driver.  ;^)
    

    	I was reading an article on the GATT treaty today. Seems if it
    passes, one of the items they will have to take taxes off from
    (eventually) is BEER. Must say I liked that part of it.
    
    
    								S.R.

    Where kin I latch onto SomOvThat there "goo beer?"
    

    any one know of a cocktail using red wine and beer, then? 

    re: Germans knowing more (about beer)
    
    Yes,
    for example they know that Copenhagen, where the research was made,
    is in Denmark :-)
    
    Heiko

     Had a scotch strong ale last night (homebrew). Nice.

    
    
    beer sucks
    
    
    

    One doesn't buy beer, one merely rents it.

    .20 if it really did they'd be selling much more of it...

    Raq, tell us how you really feel.  Don't hold back or anything.  Since
    you don't like beer, I have a nice recent vintage box o' blush waiting
    to be punctured.
    
    Brian

    Has anyone been to the Munich beer festival? It`s something i`ve been
    meaning to do over the last few years,but never got round to it.
    
    I was reading an article in a magazine last night. Apparently,it`s big
    areas of the city cordoned off,and you sit in on wooden trestles
    swigging down steins of very strong lager for hours on end. Big
    breasted women come round with trays piled high with ox and chickens
    n`stuff. 
    
    My God. If I went there i`d think i`d died and gone to heaven.
    

    
    
    ok, bri...i'll be right over after work!!!  now that i know where you
    live, i could walk there (on a warmer day, anyway...)...and i wouldn't
    have to worry about emptying the box.... :>:>
    
    

    Sam Adams Octoberfest wasn't bad.

    
    Sam Adam's Winter Lager is pretty tasty too.
    
    jeff

    Bavarian beer is fluffy in comparison to the average northern German
    beer.
    	Jever and Einbecker, for example.
    	Einbecker Maibock for an even better example.
    
    Heiko

    Belgian beer, particularly Duvel, is the best I've had.  Although I'll
    always have a hankerin' for Guiness on tap.
    
    Mark.

    
    wish I could be 18 again, learning to drink the Will-Brau
    in the Grafenwohr gasthaus.

  >>  Belgian beer, particularly Duvel, is the best I've had.

	a man of taste

    .32 Grafenwoer
    If I recall correctly just being at Graf would make you look forward to
    a trip to the Gasthaus. The pearl of the hinterlands would make Miller
    Light look good after a few days of Uncle's field maneuvers. Could sure
    enjoy a trip to a Gasthaus - goulash soup, a jaegerschnitzel and about
    six of those tall Weizens with a twist of lemon. Glad I got to enjoy
    some of that while there. Sure felt sorry for those who did not like
    beer. 

    
    hey! we used to go hide in the bunkers at the arty ranges
    (the ones leftover from Wehrmacht days) and listen to 
    Quicksilver tapes.
                      

    Two fine ales which grace the shores of our bonny rain-kissed shores.
    
    No. 1  Lynx lager - Our best seller, being matured much longer than
           other so called 'premium labels' this baby has a better body
           than a DB7. The distinctive taste of this brew immediately
           named itself. i.e. Tatties & Lynx.
    
    No. 2  Hampden lager - Yet another gem to come from that home of
    	   the sharp minded ad exec , Glesca. Gives off a lovely bouquet
           of bigots & wintergreen wi the odd whiff of burnt ozone. A
    	   must for the well to do party aminmal.
    
    Dogma. 

	| >>    Belgian beer, particularly Duvel, is the best I've had.


	|	a man of taste


	Try also Blanche de Brugge.

	The very best belgian beer I know is Orval. Same kind as Duvel,
	with much stronger taste.

    Stronger taste than Duvel?  Or stronger alcohol content?
    
    Duvel is about 14% if memory serves.  3 of these and I'm faced.
    
    Mark.

    i am reliably informed that kirin is planning to start up several
    microbreweries in japan.  after considering many 'murican companies as
    models, they chose the fine folks who bring us ipswich ale, one of the
    better beers - a real honest LIVE brew - available in the prm.  i'm
    looking forward to another half-gallon some daht nite real soon.

    I had the displeasure to swill a Nantucket something or other.  To me,
    it was putrid and the price it was going for made it doubly unpalatable.  
    
    Brian

	<----  Nantucket Amber, or whatever they're calling it.

	Not even made there.  Just another rip-off on a trendy
	location name.

    So...kirin is good?  I've never tried it, though I've seen it in my
    local beer stop. 
    
    -steve

    Kirin is not bad (IMO etc.) It is a large brewery and may very well be
    Japan's version of Bud or Miller.  
    
    Brian

    Just recently tried a Pete's Wicked Lager...not bad.  Oddly enough, I
    think I like PW Ale better, though the lager seems 'smoother'.
    
    -steve

    Pete's Wicked Ale is much better than the Lager; its got darker roasts
    and fuller, toastier flavors.
    
    DouGO

	I have some DPM beer at home. The first 2 letters, and the last 2
letters make up the names of the 2 brewers. Home brewed beer, it's the best!
And now it comes with labels!


Glen

    
    I like Pete's Wicked Red also.

    
    
    had a Samuel Adams Cream Stout over the holidays down at the Cape...
    
    Really tasted good with the Mussels Marinara
    

    
    <-- Isn't Mussels Marinara the friend of Joe Bag'o'Donuts?

    < Note 121.47 by POWDML::LAUER "Little Chamber of WarmMoistRogering" >
    
    >I like Pete's Wicked Red also.
    
    I've got to agree with you there, Debs. I had more than a few of them
    whilst staying at the Westford Regency last October.
    
    POL.

    i'm a PWA fan also, but have never tried the red... think i'll
    put it on the grocery list for this weekend!
    
    thanks for the tip!
    
    Chip

    
    RE: .49
    
    Nope!!
    
     Guido Barretta...
    
    :)
    

    try the Pete's wicked winter beer.  
    
    Rasberries and nutmeg, mmmm.
    
    meg

	Sam Adams Winter Lager gets my vote for best winter beer 94-95.
	
	Jay

    re: .53 
    
    I had some of this during the holidays...a unique taste that I found
    quite refreshing.

    
    Had two nice Jever Pilseners after Handball training last nite.
    
    Another option would have been Warsteiner. We also had Bitburger once,
    that was ok as well. Fosters and Holsten are forbidden. If you dare
    to bring Astra you'd be expelled from the team. 
    
    heiko
    

    Heiko, ever have a Hacker?

    
    <------
    
     My cats have one at least once a day...
    

    No.
    
    Prolly one of these watery brews they make down south of the river
    Main.
    
    Heiko
    Jever 4 ever.

    Well there's a German tavern that imports it here. It's very good and
    very strong, yet refreshing. Good for breakfast. 8^)

Er, perhaps `full stop, period' etc if your tastes in beer are confined
to Pilsner lagers.  There's loads of groovy ales out there that I'd rate
above it though.

Chris.

    Never seen it in these here parts...the pilsner in question, i.e.

    It is available in the States.  Bought it, drank it, liked it.  

    Tennants Extra or Stella - But I haven't had any since 27th of October 
    and I'm not likely to get any until December this year. <r.o> x 2
    
    I hate this ozzies knats piss. 

    
    I'm 3/4 through a Pete's Wicked Lager right now, and 100% into a snarf
    8^).

    Got a six pack of Pete's Red... Yummy! In fact, I couldn't help
    myself but to drink the whole thing Friday night :-)
    
    Chip

    Oregon "nut brown ale"
    
    Shoulda known something was up when it was hyped half a dozen different
    ways to sunday that it was a *MICRO*brewery from the *MICRO*brewery
    capital of America, the great *MICRO*state of *Micro*Oregon.
    
    Shoulda known something was up when it rang up a couple of dollars
    cheaper than other microbrews.
    
    Shoulda known something was up when the cap screwed off.
    
    Shoulda known something was up when the first two bottles I opened
    were bad.
    
    Shoulda known something was up when the color was too light for a nut
    brown.
    
    
    But I was thirsty.
    
    								-mr. bill

    Schlepped myself to my friend's house Sat. night where I commenced to 
    slurp a few of his own brand of Pale Ale.  Yummy yummy yummy!  Well
    done indeed, well done.  Pale Morning Dun from the Freestone Brewery. 
    Don't look for it in the store, it ain't there.  
    
    Brian

    
    
    Catamount Honey Lager - Vermont somewhere....
    
     Not bad...
    

    
    Years ago a friend from Florida, brought back some local brew called
    Hop & Gator (sp). Should have left it in Florida :-( :-( billed as 
    a lemon lime beer. Yuck.. Tasted worse than Hamm's preffered stock.
    
    Mark

    Has anyone tried Newcastle brown ale lately? I did and it was not the
    way I remember it, everything seems to be watered down now, either that  
    or my tolerence for beer is getting to the point where i can't tell the
    difference anymore. 
    
    Joan

    
    
    Anyone ever try "triple bock"
    
    I received a bottle for Christmas (Sam Adams)...
    
    Gave directions on how to drink it (room temp.... sorta like drinking
    brandy..etc.)
    
     Gak!!!! Stuff is gross!!!  
    
    I still have 4/5ths of the bottle left over... anyone want it?
    

    
>>    Anyone ever try "triple bock"

	yeah, we talked about this before.

	it's not bad.

    <-----
    
    Want the rest of mine?
    
    it's in a corked bottle and stored as they suggested.... I certainly
    have no intention of.. gak.... drinking it...
    

	If you didn't put your lips to it, I wouldn't bother
	taking it.  ;>

	btw, the blue bottle makes a nice little bud vase.  

    
    <-------
    
    Sorry.... poured it right from the bottle into a brandy snifter...
    
    but I can go home tonight and wrap my lips around it if you'd like...
    ;)

    finally tried Westminster Ale (micro brewery in Westminster, Ma).
    
    novelty is it comes in 1/2 Gal. glass jugs.
    
    i liked it. smooth-mild taste. much lighter than most ales i've tried,
    but still full-bodied and on the potent side.
    
    Chip

>                    <<< Note 121.81 by WMOIS::GIROUARD_C >>>
>    finally tried Westminster Ale (micro brewery in Westminster, Ma).
>    i liked it. smooth-mild taste. much lighter than most ales i've tried,
>    but still full-bodied and on the potent side.

Yep, I had some a couple of weeks ago. A little sharp for my taste, but most
bottled beers are. Glad to see micro-brews from New England!

If you like Sam Adams, you'll like it.

    I am at last ajusting to this urine they all beer downunder.
    I think the only thing that's ok to drink is Calton Cold and
    even that tastes pritti shitti! :)
    
    Ahhhh, what I wouldn't give for a pint of Stella or something...

    Australian beer is crud is it?
    
    I won`t bother going there then.
    

    Anyone try Sam Adams double bock?  I'm curious, but don't feel like
    shelling out $6.19 for a six unless it is really good.
    
    -steve

    .85
    
    it wasn't worth that price to me.  too sweet for my taste.  but that's
    just it, it's a matter of taste.

    
    
    I have the same question of Sam Adams Porter...anyone tried it yet?
    
    
    
    Thanks,
    
    Terrie
    

    
    
     I still have that almost full bottle of Sam Adams triple bock...
    
    No takers??
    

    >I have the same question of Sam Adams Porter...anyone tried it yet?
    
     The honey porter? I'm not a big porter drinker, but it was a pleasant
    beverage to my inexperienced (with porters) palate.

    i rather like sam adams honey porter.  it falls below catamount porter
    on my list because it's sweeter than the cat.  i like bitter brews.

	another thumbs up for SA Honey Porter, although I agree w/Binder
	not as good as Catamount. And, IMO, the best porter is a Samuel
	Smith's.

    The best porter is the one I'm drinking right now.  (Don't take that
    literally.)
    
    They are all different, but the same.  Most have their merits.  (There
    are real dogs out there.)  But these best beer arguments are
    nonsense.  It's like arguing about best red wine.  There are many many
    fine red wines.  There are even many many fine Barolos or Zins.
    Arguing that a Barolo is better than a Zin is like arguing that
    a sirloin is better than a lobster.  They are different.  They *should*
    be different.
    
    So, arguing that a porter is better than a double bock is nonsense.
    If you like a porter, judge it as a porter.  If you don't like a
    porter, don't drink it.  (Unless you are into liking things you don't
    like.)
    
    
    As far as Sam Adams, the mega-micro, their Honey Porter and Double Bock
    are far too inconsistent batch to batch.  Clearly they are shipping
    what other (mini-micros) wouldn't.  But I still haven't ever had a
    return to store six pack from the mega-micro, but have had that happen
    with a few other mini-micros.
    
    
    As far as Sam Adams vrs Catamount vrs Samuel Smith's Porters.
    
    There are times that what I want to drink the first, times when I want
    to drink the second, and times when I want to splurge and drink the
    third.  There are even, *gasp*, times I want to drink a porter served
    in a Utah Brew Pup.  (Bonus points for the first person who identifies
    the distinguishing feature of such a porter.)
    
    
    Guinness right now is running a contest about "your most memorable pint
    of Guinness."  You all can describe the characteristics of the brew.
    I'll remember the place, the people, the music.
                                        
    								-mr. bill

    bonus points - It's only 3.2 % alc. by volume?

    
    Yub.
    
    								-mr. bill

    Bonus points - I think you have to 'join' the 'club' as a 'member' to
    be allowed to purchase any alcohol for consumption on premises in
    certain counties in Utah.  
    
    Another guess: I think the only brewpubs in Utah are at ski resorts.
    
    DougO

    
    Nope.  Utah's alcohol laws, while still odd, are less odd in many ways
    than Arlington Mass alcohol laws.  And becoming less odder by the year.
    And as far as brewpubs only at ski resorts.  Downtown SLC is kind of
    flat.
    
    								-mr. bill

    nevermind...
    
    but I thought Colorado had 3.2 laws also, so that sorta crossed that
    off the list as a 'distinguishing' characteristic.
    
    DougO

    For a porter though, 3.2 is sort of distinguishing, in a way.  The CO
    beer may be 3.2 but at 9,000 ft., after a few of anything, I was glad I
    wasn't driving.  

    CO has 3.2 beer available if you buy from the supermarkets.  buying
    from the liquor store (often conveniently located next-door to the
    grocer's) will get you real beer, or at least as real as commercioal
    beer gets.  Of course on Sunday the only package beer you can buy is
    3.2.
    
    meg

    BrewSNARF

Favorite? That would be the Imperial Stout that I brewed last 
Sept. Just about drinking time now. Sampled the first one last 
Sunday and it's ready :-). It's also approx .10/alc.

daryll

    
    Stout, yes.  The more bitter, the better.
    
      bb

    Is there any beer in the U.S. that's 5% or more alc/vol?

    Made in the US or sold in the US?
    
    If the latter, Duvel (13+%) from Belgium is sold.  Saw it on the shelf
    at Harrington's in Chelmsford last year.  Also ordered it at Jekyll &
    Hydes in Manhattan.
    
    Mark.

    some of the "ice beers" are fairly high in alcohol.  
    
    i think I ran into one that was 5.7 or so.
    
    Plankroad?
    
    meg

    I must remember that.
    
    We have an ice beer here that it 7.2%

    re .105
    
    woooooow stop the pres !!!! :*)

    OI there, take it to one of the Clinton notes, ehhh??
    

    I went home at lunch time (to pick up my Gym gear),and stuck 8 small 
    bottles of French bier into my beer fridge,so they`ll be chilled when
    I return from the pub tonight.
    
    They`re good,as the bottles are so small you can knock a number back
    a lot easier than the equivalent amount in cans. 
    
    6 quid for 24,which ain`t bad.
    
    

	beers partaken of this weekend -

	Duvel
	Corsendonk Brown 
	Rodenbach Grand Cru Red Ale
	Kwak
	Murphy's Stout
	Flying Dog Ale
	Anderson Valley Oatmeal Stout
	NE Oatmeal Stout
	Xingu Black
	Tucher Bujavator
	Hopf Dunkel Weisse
	Tucher Hefe Weisse
	Oberdorfer Dunkel
	
	and an excellent oatmeal stout made by my brother-in-law

    Yes. Proves the theory of evolution.

    We bottled a maerzen last weekend (brewed in november), it had bottle-
    conditioned and was ready to try by this weekend...whoa.....smooooth.
    
    One of our best yet.
    
    DougO

re .113:

Which end of the mare did it come out of?

    That's one of my favorite brews!

    5 gallons of Pilsner -- made with spring water -- sit fermenting
    in my kitchen. My first, but definitely not my last, foray into
    the art of booze construction, thanks to the little people who
    call me `Dad' (er. no they don't drive me to drink; they purchased
    the beer making kit for me for Father's Day).
                                
    -b                                                 

    Check out the HOMEBREW conference, when you get a chance.  Lots of good
    info in there.
    
    -steve (fellow homebrewer)

To:	Multiple recipients of list GARDENS <GARDENS@UKCC.uky.edu>
CC:	
Subj:	Best Beer for Slugs

Since slug control seems to be a perennial topic and the use of beer as a
control methods has been knocked about a bit I thought I might report on a
somewhat obscure (but obviously highly important) piece of research carried
out in 1987 by Professor Whitney Cranshaw at Colorado State University.  He
had heard about the use of beer to attract and kill slugs by allowing them
to drink themselves to death, but the question in his mind was, "What beer
is best - what beer do slugs prefer?"

His experiment examined 12 different brands of beer plus Gallo Pink Chablis
wine (who knew how cosmopolitan slugs really were?), a sugar, water and
yeast mix and as a control Fort Collins Colorado tap water.  The beers
tested included:
        Budweiser, Coors, Coors Light, Miller, Pabst Blue Ribbon, Kingsbury
Malt Beverage, Schaefer, Miller Lite, Bud Light, Old Milwaukee, Michelob and
Stroh's.

        Each test liquid was replicated four times and the test ran for 8
weeks, in which time nearly 4,000 slugs had given their bodies to science as
part of the test.

        Any ideas on which beer, or other tested liquid proved to be the
slug's choice?  Stay tuned for the results in an upcoming post!

(Sorry, I just couldn't resist letting this hang for a day - I post the
outcome over the weekend)

Everyone have a great gardening weekend with plenty of sun or rain, which
ever YOUR gardens needs.

Bob Stewart
Maryland / rs72@umail.umd.edu


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CC:	
Subj:	Beer Choice for Slugs

Beverage Most Perferred By Slugs  or  4,000 Slugs Can't Be Wrong


15 beverages tested, 4,000 slugs participate in study; THE RESULTS:


With Budweiser selected as the test comparison standard and give a 1.0.

1. Kingsbury Malt Beverage     1.14
2. Michelob                    1.04 (attracted the most slugs)
3. Budweiser                   1.00
4. Bud Light                    .89
5. Old Milwaukee                .81
6. Coors Light                  .79
7. Schaefer                     .69
8. Miller                       .68
9. Stroh's                      .67
10. Miller's Lite               .57
11. Sugar water and yeast       .57
12. Coors                       .56
13. Pabst Blue Ribbon           .44
14. Gallo Pink Chablis          .09
15. Fort Collins tap water      .06 (attracted the least slugs)


Bob Stewart
Maryland / rs72@umail.umd.edu

    Stroh's backward is Shorts.  

    There's a real satisfying feeling staring at a glass carboy --
    which contains one's first ever attempt at home-brewed beer --
    and watching the little bubbles rise as the brewer's yeast
    and sugar does its thing.

    It simultaneously appeals to my scientific nature, and my
    nut-scratching Neanderthal male philosopher nature. I'd say
    life is pretty much summed up in those little bubbles.

    -b

    >It simultaneously appeals to my scientific nature, and my
    >nut-scratching Neanderthal male philosopher nature. 
    
     Ah, self-actualization. ;-)

He doesn't know.  He's still scratching.

    
    RE: .122
    
    I'll let you know in 4 weeks.
    
    -b

Or Cruex.

    
    Does Cruex prevent cruelty?
    

>       I think you could use some talcum powder.

I read a_article once by Ken Kesey where he claims his choice is corn
starch. It's just as absorbent and you don't end up smelling like a dang
ol' nursery.

TTom

    Furthermore, when you're done you can thicken a sauce with it...

    I'll tell you one thing... never, EVER, use Bactine as a
    replacement for Cruex. As a teen, I found this out the
    hard way. No Cruex, so I searched the medicine cabinet...
    well, Bactine said it relieved painful itching, which
    sounded like what I had, so I sprayed some on. Well, it
    _may_ have relieved the itching. However, it most certainly
    increased the pain. I thought the damn things were on
    fire.
    
    -b

 Speaking of corn oil, last summer when my son and I were driving to
 Colorado, we came across a bunch of oil pumping gizmos in corn fields and
 I told him that's how we get corn oil..

    >    There's a real satisfying feeling staring at a glass carboy --
    >    which contains one's first ever attempt at home-brewed beer --
    
    100 batches later, its still satisfying.
    
    Dougo$6_years_homebrewing

    dougo,
    
    Only 100+?  ;-)
    
    Oh the leftover crud in the bottom of the carboy is good for the yard. 
    The small green patch of anti-social bluegrass I have left thrives on
    the leavings.
    
    Meg 13 years and still brewing.  

Just got my first 45 pints from the RHC microbrewery.  Groovy!

Chris.

    Here in Ontario you can go to a place that has all you need and brew on
    the premises. It's fun, you get the best ingredients, and your house is
    free of the mess and clutter. You go back in a couple of weeks to
    bottle your filtered beer. And, it's good, very good. I prefer it to
    any store bought stuff. The only thing is, unless it's kept cool, it
    will go bad as the yeast has been filtered out. And yes, the
    carbonation is added at bottling time.

    Glenn

    Adding the carbo at bottling time is cheating.  The right way to do it
    is to prime the bottle with a small amount of sugar when you bottle. 
    The residual live yeast will eat the sugar and carbonate the beer for
    you.

Actually, a better method is to add the priming sugar or DME to 
the bottling bucket.

daryll

    Cheating? I don't know, it's pretty wonderful stuff. Guess I'm a
    cheater.

    If I home brewed though, I think I would still buy the equipment to
    filter and carbonate. The beer is never cloudy nor is there any
    sediment.

    .141
    
    My beer is never cloudy.  I use isinglass for finings.  My beer does
    have sediment, but then that's great for a sourdough starter.

    Othuer than a bit of chill hazing irish moss has done a great job of
    keeping the cloudies out.  IMO if there isn't at least a trace of
    sediment on the bottom, it is a beer only in the same way Coors Lite
    can be considered a beer.  Letting the wort sit for a few minutes
    before cold-cracking into the carboy avoids the 1/2 inch sediment
    issues. 
    
    Anyone here have good luck with brewing Lambic's?  The cherries are
    starting to get reasonable and I have a hankering for brewing with
    them.  
    
    meg

    You haven't tried my Swiss Lager.
    
    Debra, would you say it qualifies as beer?

    Your Swiss Lager may be drinkable, but I still prefer keg or bottle
    conditioned beers.  The natural carbonation is much lighter and nicer
    to me that the gross bubbles I usually see with artificial carbonation.  
    
    meg

    My bubbles aren't gross like you would see in a bud light or something.
    The general comment I get from folks who try it is "smooth".

    And, I brew to about 6%. 

    
    Lately, I've been using a beer machine.  I wasn't that thrilled with
    the concept at first (got it as a prezzie) but it's working out to be a
    flexible, no-mess way of brewing.  I use canned English style worts
    such as Firkin's Bitter & Dog Boulter which are 40-pint brews instead
    of the awful thin 20-pint worts that came with the machine.  Brew under
    pressure for 7-10 days, let sit in the fridge for three days and it
    comes out clear as crystal with no need to fine.  Then either drink it
    cellared, keg style (carbonated) or let off the pressure and bottle it
    with very little corn sugar per bottle.  It throws a little sediment on
    the secondary fermentation but again clears nicely.
    
    Purists will be aghast at this sacrilege, but it makes a good pint.
    
    Regards,
    
    Colin
    
                                                             

    
    Funny you should ask, I just finished my dinner of steak, rice pilaf,
    and a bottle of Glenn's beer 8^).
    
    It's _wonderful_ - clear and dark; the only carbonation is a very gentle 
    tingle on the tongue; the hoppy fragrance delights the nose; and finally, 
    it's got a kick like a mule on crystal 8^).
    
    Excuse me while I go lie down for a while...

    8^)

    
    It's absolutely true, he did not pay me to write that.
    
    The smell of the hops alone is intoxicating.

    
    
    				{beam}

    You know when you wake up in the morning with a stormin' norman
    hangover, and you say to yourself "I ain't never gonna drink again" ?
    
    Well I've found a beer that can be drunk at just that point and has the
    same taste as it did the night before.
    
    What a find.

Had a glass of Sam Adams Cherry Wheat last evening with dinner.

Quite tasty.

I must stop buying this Old Milwaukee Light . . . 

    agagagagaagaggagagagagagagagggaggaagaggaagagaaaaagagagagagag!  Olde
    Swillwalkme Light?!?!?!?  Jack, your luck just ran out.  

    > Had a glass of Sam Adams Cherry Wheat last evening with dinner.
    
    It ain't a lambic, but it's still definitely something for the TTMYGT
    string.

lambic pentameter.

    ....whose yeast was white as snow.  

> definitely something for the TTMYGT string.

To the contrary. It might MYG, but it didn't MMG at all. It was very
tasty. It might not be to your liking, and certainly isn't similar
to any classic brews, I'm sure, but that doesn't make it terrible.

    
    Jack, Dick is a seasoned music critic, and as such, is well-trained
    in the art of over-estimating the value of his opinion.
    
    ;^)
    

>I must stop buying this Old Milwaukee Light . . . 

    
 I think this belongs in the "gak" topic.

    
    
    	My mother drinks that swill
    

    .161
    
        critic  n.  A scoundrel who makes it his profession to carp loudly
        about whatever artistic or dramatic efforts displease him in an
        attempt to convince the people who enjoyed the performance that
        they are possessed of dreadful taste.
    
            Has anybody ever seen a drama critic in the daytime?  Of 
            course not.  They come out after dark, up to no good.
    
    					- P. G. Wodehouse
    
    From the Curmudgeon's Dictionary.

Critic: a fairly lame cartoon that fills the time between the Simpsons
and Al Bundy.

TTom

    I like Oregon I.P.A.

    nope

    BEER PEOPLE!  BEER!!!

    Indiana Piss Ants?

>    BEER PEOPLE!  BEER!!!

Sounds like you need a little service there. Will somebody give the guy
a beer!

    Oregon Indiana Piss Ants?
    
    hee hee hee.
    
    Nope.

    Miss (or Mrs.) Frothingslosh Beer - anyone ever have one 'o these?  
    Don't know is they still make 'em or not. 

    
    
    You mean Old Frockenshloth

    Okay, okay, okay.  How about Ignorant Pilsner Additive?  

    You're getting closer....

    
    How about "Indiana Paleobotanist Alert"?
    

    Old Frothingslosh, the beer with the head on the bottom.
    
    Godawful stuff, but the cans were nice collector's items - the Iron
    City brewery put out one run of OF each year, and the can was different
    every time.

    Inane Patent Applications?  

    Naaaa, you're getting colder doc.

    Insane Persons About?  

    While I agree that that is true, nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnno.

    You very well might, but nope.

Enough already!  India Pale Ale.

    You're no fun anymore.

    
    Let's throw stones at his window!
    

    re: .157
    
    As in the Rubeeryat of Omar Khyyam?  

    Old Frothingslosh, the beer with the head on the bottom.
                           ^^^^          ^^^^
                     pale,stale ale      foam
nnttm

    .190
    
    Thank you.

    What do you expect? It was brewed in Pittsburgh.  8^)

    
    Last night, had a bottle of:
    
    Belhaven
    St. Andrew's Ale
    
    Excellent!!!
    
    Now I just gotta remember the name of the place and how to get there in
    North Chelmsford!!
    
    :)

    Belhaven is available in just about every well stocked purveyor of
    brewed bevvies.  Kappy's has it.  Too heavy for me though.  

    
    <-----
    
     I guess I gotta look closer.. :)
    
     Too heavy??
    
    The ale I had was really on the light side...
    

    
    Glenn may or may not recall that during our meeting in Toronto some
    time ago I told him about the impending release of Lakeport's "Naked"
    beer.
    
    Well, I've got a bottle in front of me (or a frontal lobotomy), bearing
    the handle "Truly Naked".
    
    Not bad, but I don't think I'd bother buying another case.  Nothing
    distinguishing about it.
    

    I don't know if you can buy the products from Unibroue in Quebec at the
    Ontario Liquor Stores, but you ought to ask about it. It's really good
    stuff. woooooo!

    Doesn't Lakeport do the PC stuff?

    
    Nope, no `Unibroue' stuff here.  Lakeport no longer does the PC stuff;
    Labatt's does that now, and a lousy job they do of it, too.
    
    Lakeport does the `Dave Nichols' line of beer, as well as `Lakeport 
    Pilsener', `Laker Beer', `Around Ontario', and the `Truly Naked'.
    

    Well, the joys of living in Ottawa, just drive across the river and
    everything changes.
    
    And I have IPA to boot!
    
    Yes, I know I know, TRO 1/2.

    This could have been a snarf, but I pulled my pants down instead.

    
    Since I don't have an IPA 8^/, I'm having a boilermaker with a shot of
    Johnny Walker Red in my Montreal shot glass and one of Glenn's Swiss
    Lagers.
    
    8^q
    
    

    
    HOWEVER {cough}, I do wish it were an IPA.
    
    {...SIGH}

    Perhaps a delivery is imminent.

    Not only that, maybe I'll bring you some soon too!

    
    Thanks, little buddy 8^).
    
    

     
     BEER DRINKER'S POCKET TROUBLESHOOTING GUIDE
     
     Symptom :  Drinking fails to give satisfaction and taste; shirt front 
		is wet.
     Fault :    Mouth not open when drinking or glass being applied to 
     		wrong part of face.
     Solution : Buy another pint and practice in front of a mirror. 
		Continue with as many pints as necessary until drinking 
		technique is perfect.
     
     Symptom :  Drinking fails to give satisfaction and taste; beer 
		unusually pale and clear.
     Fault :    Glass is empty.
     Solution : Find someone who will buy you another pint.
     
     Symptom :  Room is spinning.
     Fault :    Somebody is spinning your barstool. 
     Solution : Vomit on person doing the spinning.
     
     Symptom :  Feet cold and wet.
     Fault :    Glass being held at incorrect angle.
     Solution : Turn glass so that open end is pointing at ceiling.
     
     Symptom :  Feet warm and wet.
     Fault :    Loss of self-control.
     Solution : Go and stand beside nearest dog. After a while complain to 
		its owner about its lack of house training.
     
     Symptom :  Lap cool and wet.
     Fault :    Drooling on yourself.
     Solution : Change position so that you are drooling on someone else.
     
     Symptom :  Bar blurred.
     Fault :    You are looking through the bottom of your empty glass. 
     Solution : Find someone who will buy you another pint.
     
     Symptom :  Bar moving.
     Fault :    You are being carried out.
     Solution : Find out if you are being taken to another bar. If not 
		complain loudly that you are being hijacked.
     
     Symptom :  Bar looks like a circus.
     Fault :    You're at a circus.
     Solution : Go to a bar.
     
     Symptom :  The opposite wall is covered with ceiling tiles and has a 
		fluorescent strip across it.
     Fault :    You have fallen over backwards.
     Solution : If glass is still full, and no one is standing on your 
		drinking arm, stay put. If not, get someone to lift
		you up and lash you to the bar.
     
     Symptom :  Everything has gone dim and you have a mouth full of teeth 
		and cigarette butts.
     Fault :    You have fallen over forwards. Solution : Same as for 
		falling over backwards.
     
     Symptom :  Everything has gone dim.
     Fault :    The pub is closing.
     Solution : PANIC!!

    HA HA!! most funny !! I'll record the symptoms experienced this
    weekend.

    I'm very thirsty so I think I'll have an I.P.A.

    
    No you won't.
    

    Too late!
    
    {slurp}

    
    Oh YEAH?  Take THAT!
    
    {slosh}
    

    {buuuuuurp!}

    
    I have an ENTIRE FRIDGE in my basement, empty, just WAITING to be
    filled with a bunch of IPA 8^q.
    
    

    I'm having beer stress.

    
    Beer stress?  What in the world is Beer Stress?!
    
    

    It's when you look at the contents of your beer fridge and you try to
    gage how you will stretch it out for a couple of more weeks.

    imnsho - The best beer in the world would have to be a pint of Stella
    Atois, as served from the pump in a French pub. Most other beers in the
    world really are crap. I realise that stouts/ales/bitters are of a good
    quality however i don't consume it so have no other opinion.
    
    I mean if you look at it further : Stella is a beer that has a unique
    taste, great texture and a suitable alcohol content, not too excessive
    just perfect.
    
    Looking forward to having a few pints of that upon my return to
    Blighty. It tastes good there, however, as with any other beer that
    leaves it country of origin, the taste seems to differ !
    
    Why is it that happens ? I have got so many examples of beers/lagers
    that change taste/effect/alcohol levels etc but claim to be the same
    thing.

    
    STTTTEEEEEE----LLLLLLLLLLAAAA!!!
    
    

	Glenn, if you want your beer to stretch, start drinking more
boilermakers. You'll need fewer beers to get the same effect..... :-)

    I'm fresh out of Johnny.

    
    	How was he?
    

    On the rocks.

    Stella Artois is very nice indeed,though a tad too strong my tastes.
    It`s fine if you just have one or two,but a little too much if you 
    have 7 or 8. Er,far too much in fact.
    
    For excessive lager intake,I think it is far wiser to stick to your
    Fosters,Heineken,Tennents Pilsner,Carling Black Label etc. Though
    I suppose it depends what your metabolism is used to. When I was
    a lad,I used to drink nothing but strong lager,and called anyone
    who didn`t a puff. Which shows what a sad case I am. 
    
    The worst culprit in my opinion is Carlsberg Export. It goes down
    really easily but gets you utterly brahms. 
    
    
    
    

    
    By the way...a little tidbit of info for youse kind folx...
    
    Saturday night Karen and I were wandering along Boylston trying to find
    a suitable spot for a nightcap.  Well, every joint was jumpin', and at
    the one place that looked like it had ANY room at all, we got carded.
    Karen, being 32, didn't think to bring her ID with her.  I, being 31,
    had mine anyway, but that weren't good enough for them, so...
    
    We eventually tried the lobby of the Hilton, near the Hynes Convention
    Centre.  The bar there was called `Boodles', and it turned out to be a
    great find.  They had over 100 different beers, most from small,
    out-of-state breweries.  I tried a Middlesex Raspberry Wheat, and a
    Lemon Lager whose brand name I have forgotten (something with an X in
    the middle, like `Saxon'...).
    
    Good service, too.
    

    >    Lemon Lager whose brand name I have forgotten (something with an X in
    > the middle, like `Saxon'...).
    
    Saxxer.
    
    Yeah, it's delicious.  They do it by putting lemon juice in after the
    brewing, during fermentation.  I asked them about it at the California
    Small Brewer's Festival in July this year.  I think they're from Oregon
    or Washington.
    
    DougO

    
    Oregon...that's the one.
    

    I like Oregon IPA.

       I like India OPA.

    Has that got Oregano in it?

    Bluuuuuurgh!

       No, but the little bag you bought for a lot of money had oregano
       in it.

    They have Rogue Nut Brown Nectar on tap at the Horseshoe in 
    Hudson. Best beer I ever tried (and that's saying a lot!).
    Does anyone know where I can buy a rack? (Bacon's in Hudson
    doesn't sell it).

    
    Oh...and I took some good advice and tried John Harvard's Brewhouse
    this past Friday.  The Harvest Ale was excellent; tasted like a
    slice of pumpkin pie.  The Pale Ale was good too.
    

    And how was mine?

    
    .237
    
    Verrrrry nice, verrrry nice.  Reminded me of Dragon's Breath.  Was
    that the formula, or did you invent one of your own?
    

    .236
    
    > The Harvest Ale was excellent; tasted like a
    > slice of pumpkin pie.
    
    Odd.  I've always been under the impression that beer ought to taste
    like beer.

    I was going by a recipe but I changed a few things.
    
    A little dark malt, some honey to boost the octane and extra fuggles.

    
    .239
    
    Some of us like to try new things, Dick.  Variety, spice-of-life, 
    that sort of thing.
    
    I find that specialty beers are often interesting to sample, though
    usually not something I'd want to drink to excess, or even regularly.
    
    Still...it's a big, wide world; lots to do, and see, and eat,
    and drink.
    

I'm still guzzling the stuff we brewed at the RHC microbrewery, not
bad stuff.  Although my uncle asked me why it tasted of toffee (okay,
so we burned the malt a bit)

Chris.

    >tasted like a slice of pumpkin pie
    
    
    Ick.  The thought of pumpkin pie *beer* simply turns my stomach, it
    does.  Of course, I do not like pumpkin pie, so that may have something
    to do with it.  8^) 

    
    mmmmmmm...pummmmpkin piiiiiiie...
    

    .241
    
    > Variety, spice-of-life, that sort of thing.
    
    Yeah, I know all that.  I tried a lambic once, and after I cleaned up
    the spew from the counter I quoted the Raven.

    
    Quoth the Raven, "Have one more!"
    

    I discovered an excellent value, Dave's `Bavarian Style' Dopplegold.
    
    8^q

    
    Agreed.  Best $12.50 case on the market, although not (by far) the best
    on the market.
    

    To be sure.

    I had a dream about beer last night. It was a good'n

    
    I minor stroke of luck.  While packing the basement for the big move, I
    found  a full bottle of Firkin Bitter homebrew in amongst the empties.
    It has been there for months and was clear as crystal.  Bitter 'n hoppy
    with a slightly burned malt.  Hic.

Carling Premier is surprisingly good for a cheapo lager, probably because
it tastes more like a bitter.  Groovy.

Chris.

    
    J.W. Dundee's Honey Brown Lager
    
    Quite nice, actually...
    

    ....brought to by the friendly folks from the Genesee Breweries, makers
    of Genny Cream Ale and other fine brews from the Genessee River,
    Rochester, N.Y.

    
    Mmmmmm, Genny Screamers!
    
    8^q
    
    The best cheap beer I know 8^).

    
    Welllll...it was better than Genny, I'm here to tell ya!
    

    Yeah, I was fooled into thinking it was a good brew while sipping an a
    few after a hard day of skiing out west last year.  :-).  

    
    Brian,
    
    Go get me something to beat you with!
    

According to their old ads, the water in Genesee Beer comes from "crystal
clear Hemlock Lake."  Not surprisingly, said lake is (or was) the source of
Rochester's municipal water supply.  I remember reading some years ago about
pollution problems they were having.  I think the problem was caused by
droppings from gypsy moth caterpillars.

    Those dreaded pooping pillars!

    Genesee Gypsy Moth Lager.
    
    8^p

    Leaf Eater Lager
    Tree Stripping Stout
    Agent Orange Amber
    Gypsy Moth Malt
    De'Foliant Draft
    
    These are the beers of Upstate.  
    
    Akshually John, they were quite tasty yes they were.  Feel free to beat
    me anyway, I most likely deserve it for something I am about to do say
    or think :-).  

    Porch Lite Ale

'splains why Genny has that oakey taste.

    
    Okey dokey?
    

    >'splains why Genny has that oakey taste.
    
     oaky. /hth /nnttm
    
     Unless you were referring to roak. :-)
    

Hmm, that's how it gets referred to as Green Death.

    
                             Beer is the Solution
                                by David Barry


   Without question, the greatest invention in the history  of  mankind  is
   beer.  Oh, I grant you that the wheel was also a fine invention, but the
   wheel does not go nearly as well with pizza.

   Also, the wheel does not cure  the common cold, whereas beer does.  This
   was  proved in a recent experiment in which scientists placed two groups
   of cold sufferers in a bowling alley.  One group was given all the  beer
   it  could  drink, while the other group was given only water.  After two
   or three weeks, the beer drinkers exhibited no cold symptoms whatsoever,
   in  fact couldn't even stand up; whereas the water drinkers had all gone
   home.

   Beer can also be used to halt the nuclear  arms  race.   Right  now  the
   missile  negotiators  drink coffee, so after three or four cups they get
   very snappish, which leads to increased international tension:

   RUSSIAN:   As I understand your proposal, you wish us to  remove  our
              Thundersquat  missiles  from  Hungary,  and  in return you
              will- Would you please stop that?
   AMERICAN:  Stop what?
   RUSSIAN:   Tinkling your spoon against your saucer.  All morning long
              it's tinkle, tinkle, tinkle.  You sound like the collar on
              a flea-infested dog.  I can barely hear myself negotiate.
   AMERICAN:  Is that so?  Did it ever occur to  you  that  I  might  be
              tinkling  my  saucer  so that I will not have to listen to
              you snort the same wad of mucus back up  your  nose  every
              twenty-five  seconds  precisely by my watch?  You cling to
              that wad as if it had great sentimental value.
   RUSSIAN:   Not at all.  Let me get rid of it right  now.   (He  blows
              his nose on the American proposal.)

   In their statements to the  press,  both  sides  try  to  put  the  best
   possible  face  on  things ("RUSSIANS EXPRESS VIEWS ON U.S.  PROPOSAL"),
   but the truth is they aren't getting anywhere.  Now if  you  give  those
   same negotiators a keg of beer, after an hour or so you'll see all kinds
   of nuclear cooperation:

   AMERICAN:  Tell you what.  You take all your missiles out of  France,
              and we'll send you over some decent men's suits.
   RUSSIAN:   Great!  Wait a minute.  I don't think we have any missiles
              in France.
   AMERICAN:  Then put some in, for God's sake!
   RUSSIAN:   Okay, but won't that irritate the French?
   AMERICAN:  Don't worry about the little snots.  If they give  us  any
              trouble, we'll have Jerry Lewis shot.

   With this kind of cooperation, we'd have a lasting arms agreement in  no
   time, and all thanks to beer.


                              THE STORY OF BEER

   One day nearly a thousand years ago, two serfs were working the soil  in
   medieval  England  when  one  of  them  accidentally knocked some grain,
   yeast, hops, and sugar into a bucket of water.  As the two serfs watched
   in  fascination,  the mixture began to ferment, and some knights rode up
   behind them and whacked off their heads with swords, as was  the  custom
   in those days.

   "This is hot work," said one of the  knights.   "I  could  forsooth  get
   behind a clean, crisp, cold beverage."

   "Begorrah," said another.  "Let's go to Germany, where beer was recently
   invented."

   And so they did, and they thought the new invention was terrific, except
   that  they  had  to  go to the bathroom all the time, which is extremely
   annoying when you are wearing armor.  So  they  decided  to  quit  being
   knights and start the Renaissance, yet another of the many fine benefits
   we derive from beer.


                          HOW TO MAKE YOUR OWN BEER

   I really don't know.  Back in 1981, I sent away  for  a  mail-order  kit
   that  is  supposed  to enable you to make your own beer at home.  I take
   this kit out from time to time, to look at it.  It's sitting next to  me
   as I write these words.

   The problem is that you need a bunch of empty beer bottles to  put  your
   homemade  beer  in,  so  the first thing I always do is go out and buy a
   case of beer and start drinking it, to empty the bottles.   While  I  am
   doing  this  I  read  the  kit  directions, and I notice that if I start
   making beer right now, I won't have any actual beer to  drink  for  more
   than  fifteen  days.  Also I will have to become involved with something
   called "wort." So I always decide to stick with  store-bought  beer  and
   save  my  kit  for  use during an emergency, such as following a nuclear
   attack.  I hate to be a pessimist, but I,  for  one,  intend  to  remain
   fully prepared for this terrible possibility until I see some clear sign
   of a lessening of  international  tension,  such  as  that  the  missile
   negotiators send out for a pizza.
    

Some time ago, somewhere in here (though not in this string), I mentioned
having received a brew sack for Christmas last year (after which Mr. Bill
told me it was a crap product, if I recall correctly). Anyway, it turns
out the actual brand name on this puppy is Brewking and it comes from
Scotland (The Malt Extract Factory, Kirkliston, West Lothian, to be exact).

So the other night I finally got around to starting the thing - pretty simple:
	Open the cap, remove the seal, pour in 3 quarts of hot water, swish
	it around to dissolve the malt syrup, add 7 quarts of cold water,
	swish again, add yeast and replace the cap which includes a pressure
	relief valve. (There's a tap at the base of the bag.)

One of the "helpful hints" listed says that after a day or two, due to the
build up of gas from the fermentation process, the bag will become "rigid".

Damn - they weren't kidding! This thing is as bloated and stiff as a raccoon
on a Jersey roadside in August!

    jack,
    
    If your water is as clorinated as it is here, I hope you boiled and
    cooled it before you used the x gallons of cold water.  The clorine
    tends to leave an "off" flavor, to put it nicely.  
    
    Meg, who has tasted clorinated beer.

I used bottled water, Meg. My well water isn't chlorinated, but it's so
high in iron that the beer would probably turn black.

    <-- Real beer has color!  Of course, black should be limited to stouts
    and porters.  8^)  Extra minerals are unlikely to affect the beer
    negatively in flavor.
    
    Chlorine, however (as Meg says), certainly can.
    
    -steve

    
    
    Tried a bottle of Sam Adams Scotch...mumble.. mumble.. "Triple Malt"
    the other day...
    
    Not bad...
    

    i love sam adams honey porter!!

    
    <-----
    
    That's good too!!! :)
    

    My last batch of Swiss Lager turned out great. 8^q

    
    TRO 1/2
    

    
    
    I like the Sam Adams Triple Scotch. The Cherry Wheat is great, but I
    can't find it anymore. Is this one of their seasonal brews?
    
     

    
    Mark:  If you like Sam Adams Cherry Wheat, try a beer called Oregon 
    Raspberry Wheat.  It's rather yummy.  I haven't seen the S.A.C.W. since
    the summer.
    
    

    
    >Oregon Raspberry Wheat
    
    Bluuuuuuuuurgh!!!
    

    
    Oh, Andy 8^).
    
    

German wheat beer is traditionally served with raspberry syrup.

    
    
    >German wheat beer is traditionally served with raspberry syrup.
    
    That's exactly what the one I tried tasted like on Saturday... like
    someone poured the syrup right into the beer...
    
     IS that how they make it or does the flavor get brewed in during the
    process??
    

    The German wheats, wiesen (sp?), would take an awful long time to get
    used to.

    depends,
    
    there are a lot of debates about when and how to add bfruit, and it
    depends on the beer.  Lambics generally have the fruit added after the
    primary fermentation and the fruit kicks up the fermentation again.  
    
    some people throw the fruit in in the final boiling minutes of the wart
    stage and before yeasting, some people add whole or crushed fruit at
    the same time as yeasting, arguing that cooking the fruit changes both
    the character and flavor of the brew.
    
    Take you best shot and pitch it whenever.  I am asking frank to pitch
    crushed rasberries into the next wart, just before pitching the yeast.  
    
    meg

    
>    I like the Sam Adams Triple Scotch. The Cherry Wheat is great, but I
>    can't find it anymore. Is this one of their seasonal brews?
    
That would be Triple Bock - it comes in blue bottles.  S.A. also makes a Scotch
Ale but that is different.  The Triple Bock is %18 alcohol and tastes like a
cold remedy.  The Scotch Ale is a real beer.

Tim

Incidentally, Deb, I found that the Oregon Raspberry Wheat IS available
in the markets. Aside from Sam Adams Cranberry Lambic around Christmas time,
it's the only fruited brew I've found "to go".

    How about Oregon IPA? That's good stuff!

I will have to try one of those IPAs sometime. Yes I will.

re: .269

FWIW, the Bag-o-Beer is still tight as a drum.

Per the directions, I'm movin' it down to the basement for a few weeks
before I tap it.

    
>That would be Triple Bock - it comes in blue bottles.  S.A. also makes a Scotch
>Ale but that is different.  The Triple Bock is %18 alcohol and tastes like a
>cold remedy.  The Scotch Ale is a real beer.

    I think you might be a tad off, here (about the 18%).  I would say it
    may be 6.0% or thereabouts- if I had to make a guess (I have tried it).
    
    As a general rule, ale/lager yeast peters out at about 12%.  To raise
    the alcohol level beyond this, you would have to add wine or champaign
    yeast to the wort.  The cost in ingredients to make such a strong malt
    beverage would be prohibitive, though (you have to have a LOT of 
    fermentables to even reach the 8% mark- trust me, that's what my last 
    homebrewed stout ended up as, and it was most expensive.
    
    Of course, the federal government would not allow an 18% beverage to be
    labelled "beer/ale/lager/porter/stout", in any case.  This is strong
    even for a wine, though I did once make a mead that toped this mark.  8^)
    
    
    -steve (homebrewer)  

    
    
    Triple Bock belongs in the "gak" topic...
    

    Oh really Andy! 8^)

        
                                  
    
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    re: .293
    
    >Oh really Andy! 8^)
    
    
    You must not remember my offer to "give up" a bottle of the stuff I
    receieved as a gift last year...
    
     There were no takers, so my kitchen sink drank it... and it never
    burped!!
    

    Top new UK lager:
    
    Carling Premier.
    
    At first,I thought this was a straight replacement for Carling Black
    Label,but I was wrong. It`s a new lager in it`s own right,and very,very
    good it is n`all. Very cold all the way down,with a smooth creamy head
    (ooh er). 
    
    It also comes in cans.
    

>    At first,I thought this was a straight replacement for Carling Black
>    Label,but I was wrong. It`s a new lager in it`s own right,and very,very
>    good it is n`all. Very cold all the way down,with a smooth creamy head
>    (ooh er). 

it's pretty good stuff, almost tastes more like a bitter than a lager.

Chris.

Carling Black Label is British?  Isn't there a Canadian brew with that name?
I remember well the ads from my youth in upstate NY: "Mabel!  Black Label!"

    
    Black Label is licensed for local production and distribution in 
    the U.S. and the U.K., just as Carlsberg is produced here.
       

    .300
    
    > Black Label is licensed...
    
    ...for modification of the formula.  Just as with other non-US beers,
    the US version is a pale imitation of the original.

    
    Carling black label is as good as Blatz. enough said

Is Dawson or Ballantine Ale still available? I'd like to buy a case
for $3.96+deposit.

    Dawson Ale, sounds familiar... my grandfather would drink that
    occasionally, whilst puffing away on a Parodi stogie.  That was
    after the spaghetti in olive oil with romano cheese, of course.
    
    Chris

    
    
    After being taught all my life that drinking is BAD BAD BAD, I keep
    reading article after article telling me that drinking is GOOD GOOD GOOD! 
    I'm telling you, it's just a matter of time before they discover that 
    smoking is good for you.
    
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    the French suffer far less heart disease than do their U.S.
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    Armed with that information, some scientists claimed that flavonoids in 
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    Now, scientists from Harvard Medical School in Boston report that a cold 
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    suffered heart attacks and compared their drinking habits to those of an
    equal number of healthy people of the same ages.  The team found that
    drinking one-half drink to two drinks - regardless of the type of
    alcohol - per day reduces the risk of heart attack by 45 percent. 
    Moreover, beer, wine, and liquor all raised the concentrations of HDL,
    or "good" cholesterol in the blood by 10 percent. 

    Gaziano maintains that the increase in HDL explains the reduction in 
    heart attack risk.  "Two martinis is no different from two glasses of
    red wine," he says. 

    That's not to say that flavonoids don't benefit the heart.  John D. 
    Folts of the University of Wisconsin - Madison maintains that it takes a
    lot of alcohol - three times the legal limit for driving - to help the
    heart by reducing platelet activity. 

    He and his colleagues studied the effects of a capsule form of 
    flavonoids on blocked arteries in monkeys.  The flavonoids worked as
    well as, if not better than, aspirin at turning down the platelet
    activity and thus unblocking the monkeys' arteries. 

    There is an advantage to flavonoids.  "Adrenaline can completely wipe 
    our aspirin's beneficial effects," says Folts.  "But adrenaline doesn't
    affect the flavonoids." 

    Whether it's the alcohol alone or the flavonoids in the alcoholic 
    beverages, a drink a day may protect the heart.  But before you say,
    "Bottoms up!" Gaziano cautions, remember that drinking more than
    moderate amounts of alcohol damages the heart. 

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    Woo Hoo!!
    

    And a wine box is very easy to connect to an IV tube.
    

    Will a IV tube fit in a V hole?

    I'm not smart enough to know.  Ask an IV leaguer.

    
    
    I am having a La Fin Du Monde, specially imported for me from Hull,
    Quebec.
    

    
    
    	Had a bit of my friend's homebrew last night. Dark, rich, good...:)
    
    

    well, i bellied up to Westminster Nut this weekend. i hope this sets me
    in the right direction... :-)

    Surely you chased it with an Old Frothingslosh or Iron City... ;-)

    naw, lighter fluid ;-)

	the Bier Haus in merryslack, NH has chocolate cherry porter. Mm-mm

    Westminster Nut or Wachusett Nut, Chip?  The Wachusett Nut Brown is
    quite nice, imo but reportedly it can be quite variable. 

>	the Bier Haus in merryslack, NH has chocolate cherry porter. Mm-mm

That sounds like it's worth dropping in for.

    
    Me too!  Me too!
    

        How about an evening this week?
            

    I wouldn't let a chocoalte cherry porter carry my bags.

>That sounds like it's worth dropping in for.

	highly recommended. but, hurry. this offer is limited.
	(it's the featured beer of the month  ;-)

I wonder if it would last until Barry Moore shows up?

He's from Texas - we could convince him that Merrimack is right close
to Marlboro.

    He'll be confused by the hills and the lack of mud anyways.

    
    Let's convince him it's next to Marlboro on Tuesday rather than Monday. 
    I'll never make it from Maynard to Merrimack to Sudbury and include a
    Chocolate Cherry Guy Ding Porter all between 5 and 7:30.
    
    

    This porter must be really butt ugly.

    
    My tongue is trembling at the thought of it.
    

    .316 Oooops. you're right on Brian. I meant to say Wachusett (which, of
    course, is in Westminster). 

Is this chocolate cherry porter something that one could brew at home
or the like?

  chocolate cherry porter.   eee yi yi.  that sounds perfectly
  dreadful.  

The Choimans have the right idea when it comes to beer.  Water, barley malt,
hops and yeast.  Anything else is illegal.

Criminy  - weren't we just yesterday discussing folks who drank their
own urine?

What the heck's the matter with making/drinking beer that tastes like
a candy bar?

    .331
    
    Beer is supposed to taste like beer.  If you want a candy bar, for
    godsake, EAT ONE!

    Unless you want to have a beer that tastes like a candy bar.

    bluuuuurrrrgggghhhhh.

    
    	Why haven't I ever seen a candy bar that tastes like beer?
    

    
    This is certainly a golden inventing opportunity for you, Shawn.
    
    

    
    
    	yeah, but the beer is brewed in Westminster..........
    

	Wachusett Brewery is in Westminster.
	And, they make a fantastic porter. no chocolate. no cherries.
	It's called Black Shack Porter.
	
	And, for all of you who don't like chocolate cherry porter
	('specially those who haven't tried it) DON'T GO TO THE BIERHAUS
	IN MERRIMACK. Save your time and money (there'll be more for ME).
	
	:-)
	

	i don't have to try it to know i wouldn't like it.
	a) i don't like fruit-flavored beers.
        b) i don't like chocolate cherries.

	so i won't be vying for any of the supply. ;>

	

    What ever happened to beer flavored beer?

    
    	That's so 80's, Steve.
    
    	Get with the program, eh, hoser?
    

    Fruity beers have long been enjoyed by the good burghers of Belgium.

    
    Those Belgian burghers really know which end is up.
    
    

Why do you think they call it Bilge-um?

    there's nothing like a good froth with a burgher.

    thanks JJ! hey Jaques... NNTTJJ :-)

    .322
    
    Jack,
    
    Your state would fit in our city.  Merrimack IS close to Marlborough.
    You just have to drive through a parking lot to get from one to the
    other.
    
    Tttttthhhhpppppttthhhhhhh. ' (one spit ball, we've got a drought down
    here).
    
    Barry the Hayseed.

    .323
    
    Glenn,
    
    The hills and lack of mud may confuse, but the turdpiles will make
    me feel right at home.
    
    My spit runneth dry.

    Skol is currently selling for 65p for a half litre can.
    
    Good,eh?
    

    When I brew, my half liter bottles work out to about 80 cents. That's
    cool.

    Words are insufficient to explain how Skol is so much unlike beer.

    Steve,
    
    Are you trying this with a normal refrigerator freezer?  It won't work. 
    You need a deep freeze, 0 F or lower temp.  We usually do our jack on a
    cold winter's night in January or February when the temp's get down
    below 0.  Bring it in the house, break a hole through the mush to the
    center, and siphon the stuff out.  Ours is about like a good sherry
    with a bit more punch.
    
    meg

Hail, just dunk it in liquid nitrogen. That should be pleny cold 'nuff
for beer.

TTom

Wachusett Ale fans should go check out the brewery in Westminster. Call the
number on the label for directions. It's sort of out of the way, and really
doesn't look like you'd expect.

Yes, you get to sample as much of their brews as you like.
I like 'em all except the IPA. Too sharp and hoppy for my taste...

They're selling it as fast as they can brew it.

    
    >>Too sharp and hoppy for my taste...
    
    Whoa!  No such thing as too hoppy.
    
    

    IPA must be hoppy.  It's the hops that preserve Beer and IPA was first
    made to be shipped to India from England.  The hops preserved the beer
    for the 2-3 month journey.

    
    
    Goin home to "old" hampshire this weekend, gonna have some REAL beer on
    Sunday afternoon, Ruddles, Fremlins, Directors, gonna have one of each
    beer on tap, just so that I can rediscover each taste after 6 months in 
    the US.
    
    
    
    
    Conrad

    that must make you very hoppy.

    Or find a neighbor  with a deep freeze.  
    

    uh.....
    
    homebrewers are of course all aware that freeze-distillation, like
    other distillation, is considered illegal and may subject you to visits
    from the BATF.
    
    Don't do it.  Or if you must, at least don't talk about it in a public
    notesfile.  I'm not kidding.
    
    Moderators are strongly suggested to remove notes referencing freeze
    distillation techniques.
    
    DougO

    Strange law.  If you can buy PGA (190 Proof), why the heck can't you
    experiment with your homebrew?  
    
    In any case, my IPA is bubbling away quite actively.  In fact, it was
    so active, I decided I better put it in the bathtub...just in case.  It
    was the fastest starting batch I've had to date.  I pitched the yeast
    at 3pm yesterday before I stepped out for a couple of hourse.  By the
    time I returned, around 5pm, fermentation had already begun.
    
    
    -steve

>    Strange law.  If you can buy PGA (190 Proof), why the heck can't you
>    experiment with your homebrew?  

	he could tell you, but then he'd have to kill you.

    He would also have to call in the storm troupers to destroy your
    printing press and lab.

    The makers of PGA are licensed to do so.  Home brewing and vintning are
    sublect to alcohol content limitations I believe as well as quantity
    restrictions.  Higher alcohol contents usually require distillation of
    some sort which is not legal for the alcohobbyist, I bleeve.  

    Steve,
    
    for the same reason that many years ago I had to buy malt syrup in
    healthfood stores, never mind getting malted grain.  At that time it
    was illegal to brew beer at home, although for the most part the law
    was ignored.  
    
    meg

    Before you know it, it'll be illegal to grow your own vegetables!

    But you can have lots of guns. So the two cancel out.

In Arizona, it's illegal to disparage vegetables.

    But can you freeze them? 

    I would imagine only if they are unfermented
    
    ;-)
    
    We have veggie slander laws in CO too.  
    
    Looks like tomorrow another raspberry ale is going to get its start.  
    The last one has aged oout nicely and is truly a taste treat.
    
    meg

TTWA:

   So, getting back to this bag-o-beer that I made last fall -

   It was "Export Ale" (whatever that is). And it brewed OK and seemed
  to be "OK" when it was done, and it's been kept cold and still is well
  carbonated naturally and passes the "ale test" from a friend who claims
  to know ale.

   The only problem is that I don't like ale at all and I think it tastes
  like dog crap (political commentary notwithstanding.) So, I'm not about
  to drink it, but I don't feel like tossing the remaining 12 or so pints
  down the drain. I use it every chance I get in a recipe that calls for
  beer. Any other ideas how I can make use of this stuff, which appears to
  be hoppy as all get out?

    Well, you could wash your hair with it.

Well, if I'd posted a more recent picture on the 'Box home page,
you'd have a sense of just how close you are with "your hair [singular]",
'Pril. It could last me forever.

    Bald is beautiful !

That settles it.

I'm yours.

    Um, you could poor it all over yourself and run around nekkid.  But, 
    you could do that with anything, so nevermind.  I guess I'm no help.

You could use it in snail traps in the garden.

Beef 'n' beer
Beer & cheese damper

Beer is also pretty good for cleaning a BBQ.

\C

re: Chele

>You could use it in snail traps in the garden.

I guess it'll hold out the few more months necessary till gardening season ...

>Beef 'n' beer

Yup. Will Do!

>Beer & cheese damper

Er, uh, "damper"?

>Beer is also pretty good for cleaning a BBQ.

Sounds about right for this stuff.


TYVM

    Send it up to Glenn.
    
    
    He can use it to melt all the snow and he won't have to buy any more bags 
    this winter.
    
    
    
    joan

    >         <<< Note 121.375 by MOLAR::DELBALSO "I (spade) my (dogface)">>>
    
    
    >    So, getting back to this bag-o-beer that I made last fall -
    
    
    
    What was her name? Where was the bar? How close to 2am was it?
    

Er, .269, if you please, Rob.

    
    thanx for the foreplay (.269) on the 'bag-o-beer'. I was thinking about
    trying one. 
    
    NOT!

Damper is a sort of semi kinda nearly bread type thing. It dosn't freeze woth 
a damn, and it MUST be eaten fresh - preferably hot.
I don't have a recipe available and I can't remember what I used last 
time I made it.  I'll try and do some this week and get back to you with a 
rough guide of "how to".  Beer dampers are good with BBQs and *strong* beefy 
soups/stews.


\C

    
    Jack:
    
    If it's hoppy as all get out, bring it up my way 8^).
    

> bring it up my way 8^).

The whole damn bag-o-beer? It's pretty unwieldy, hanging from that hook
down in the basement. Perchance for the 'bash I should bring it along
for those who care to take a chance. I just don't know how to transport 
it without perturbing it. Mebbe if I brought it a few days ahead of time...

    
    
    	Yes, bring the beer jack! We'll rent you a cargo van and suspend it
    from the ceiling. :)
    
    
    jim

    growlers and dampers...
    
    sounds like ttwa...

    Thats what happens when cramps go bad.

    
    Jack,
    
     You're more than welcome to bring a small sample on Sunday...
    
    
    Yer pal...
    
    Andy
    

    jack,
    
    it is a shame you don't live closer, as I like a good hoppy ale, and
    would like to sample the beer-in-a-bag kits.  
    
    meg

Jack could email it to you.

    hhomebrew doesn't travel that well.

    >     hhomebrew doesn't travel that well.
    
    tthat's tto bbad.

    
    <--- Someone needs to quaff a yard or two.

    
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    Found out that the "Oregon 'Nut Brown Ale'" I complained about over
    a year ago was made by a subsidiary of "The Boston Beer Company" for
    a mega brewer.  The mega marketeers wanted a piece of the micro market.
    
    The mega marketeers wish not to be identified.
    
    								-mr. bill

    
    
    	dang, and I really liked the commercial for the Oregon Nut Brown
    Ale...:)
    
    

    
    	Paraphrased from "Reader's Digest":
    
    	This guy's on vacation in England and asks a bartender for some
    	American beer.  The bartender replies that they don't have any.
    
    	So they guy asks for the closest thing they have to American
    	beer, and the bartender hands him a glass of water.
    

    
    Liquor panel requires minor changes in naughty beer label
    
    LANSING, Mich. -- It can be mean and green, but don't call it obscene.
    
    The makers of Bad Frog beer can keep a label showing a frog flipping the 
    bird -- if they eliminate the word "obscene" from the beer's slogan, the 
    Michigan Liquor Control Commission said Wednesday.
    
    The beer, brewed in Michigan by Frankenmuth Brewery Inc., has a label
    featuring a picture of a real frog, altered so that its right arm is 
    turned upward and a finger extended in the well-known gesture.
    
    The last line of the label reads, "It's mean, green and obscene."
    
    "It's hilarious that we can say on the label that a frog is obscene and
    some people actually take us serious," said Bad Frog Brewery Co. President 
    Jim Wauldron, who agreed to drop the word from the label.
    
    Company officials had argued at a hearing last month that they were trying 
    to change the obscene gesture into a signal for ordering a beer. They also 
    contended the gesture could not be obscene because a frog has only four 
    fingers, not five, so couldn't possibly be raising its middle digit.
    
    The commission's order said the label "may be clearly offensive to some, 
    (but) it is not so patently offensive that the advertising and promotion 
    of Bad Frog beer should be banned completely in this state."
    
    Commission Chairman Phil Arthurhultz said the company can continue to sell 
    and produce its beer in Michigan, as long as it removes the offending word 
    and advertises only in bars, not in stores, to prevent minors from seeing 
    the company's marketing trademark.
    
    "It would have been difficult for us, having granted commission approval 
    (for the trademark), to rescind that approval. That's the bottom line," 
    Arthurhultz said.
    
    The beer is sold in six other states: Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin, 
    Virginia, Rhode Island and Florida. Ohio refused to sell it because of the 
    label.
    
    Bad Frog lawyer Kenneth Flaska said the label wasn't meant to be obscene 
    and is tamer than some beer ads.
    
    "If the Bud Light ladies in thong bikinis are not indecent or obscene, it's
    hard to imagine our little frog would be indecent or obscene," Flaska told 
    the commission last month.
    
                        

    
    The marketeers of Bad Frog Beer are getting *exactly* what they want.
    
    								-mr. bill

	see http://realbeer.com/badfrog/

    The new how to brew "beer":
    
    	Design Slogan
    	Design Label
    	Design Merchandise
    	Design Publicity Campaign
    	Design Merchandise Catalogue
    	(Oh yeah, bottle some "beer"....)
    
    								-mr. bill

     Consumer Reports' Ratings of Best Beers

     By Associated Press, 05/24/96

     The top three beers in each of six categories as rated by a panel of
     experts for Consumer Reports magazine. Brewers of the major national
     brands are noted.

     ``Craft'' beers are fuller-bodied brews typically marketed as
     specialty beers; their distribution is noted. Country of origin is
     noted for imports.

     Regular and Ice Beers

     1. Old Milwaukee (Stroh)

     2. Stroh's (Stroh)

     3. Red Dog (Miller)

     Light Beers

     1. Michelob Light (Anheuser-Busch)

     2. Bud Light (Anheuser-Busch)

     3. Natural Light (Anheuser-Busch)

     Nonalcoholic Beers

     1. Sharp's (Miller)

     2. Coors Cutter (Coors)

     3. Kingsbury (G. Heileman)

     Imported Lagers

     1. Molson Golden (Canada)

     2. Labatt Blue (Canada)

     3. Foster's (Canada)

     Craft Ales

     1. Samuel Adams Boston Ale (national)

     2. Sierra Nevada Pale (40 states)

     3. Full Sail Amber (West)

     Craft Lagers

     1. Brooklyn Brand (New York)

     2. Leinenkugel's Red (national)

     3. Samuel Adams Boston Lager (national)

     AP-DS-05-24-96 0112EDT

    
    
    Foster's is Australian, isn't it, not Canadian?  Typo, I guess.
    

    Foster's is Australian but it is being brewed for North American
    distribution in Canada.  The list serves as a reminder of why I place
    no faith in Consumer Reports.  BTW, did you know that Stroh's backwards
    is shorts?  

	Wow.... I wonder where one could go with that knowledge! :-)

    Most of their listings I hesitate to put under the category of "beer". 
    A few are acceptable "light" brews, but none are full-bodied IMO.  
    
    Where did they find this panel of taste testers?
    

    
    Another article said the testers were "professional brewmasters and 
    brewing students".
    

	Why don't we have a beer tasting party?

    For each style of beer, I can't much fault the ratings.
    
    If you don't like "Regular and Ice Beer" American style beer,
    than you won't like Old Milwaukee, Stroh's or Red Dog.  But
    if you do, I just can't fault their picks.  
    
    For "Light Beers" American style beer, Michelob Light, Bud Light and
    Natural Light are all fine brews - for that style.  If you like that
    style, they aren't bad picks.  If you *DON'T* like that style, don't
    drink them.  (And yeah, you'll get the won't-drink-anything-but
    Miller Lite folks arguing here, but hey....)
    
    For Nonalcoholic Beers, Sharp's is the only brew in that style that
    I'd place outside the oxymoron category.  (Coors still makes me gak
    for other reasons.)
    
    etc etc etc.
    
    								-mr. bill

    I would pick the beer with the most VUPs.

    How many times we gotta tell you, boy?  We don't measure things in VUPs
    no more!

    We don't? Why not?

    > 121.414 by PERFOM::LICEA_KANE
    
    >  (Coors still makes me gak for other reasons.)
    
    COORS! a headache in *each and every* container!

    >    For each style of beer, I can't much fault the ratings.
    
    >    If you don't like "Regular and Ice Beer" American style beer,
    >    than you won't like Old Milwaukee, Stroh's or Red Dog.  But
    >    if you do, I just can't fault their picks.
    
     I can. Old Swil and Strohs suck. Michelob is way better than either,
    and it's brewed in the same style.

    > Michelob is way better than either...
    
    Best of a bad lot is still swill.

re: last ....

   My sentiments exactly ....

    I'm surprised Sam Adams Boston Ale made the list.  I really don't have
    a taste for this particular ale at all.  I can think of better ales
    that are brewed in America that meet the criteria.

    I`ve decided Skol is my favourite lager.
    
    Only 70 pence for half a litre. 3.5% alcohol (about the right amount)
    and nice and fizzy.
    
    Er,just thought I`d share that.
    

First commercially available beer, Kreuger, can hit stores shelves on this 
day 62 years ago. 

    What a coinkydink.  Last night I read that the first canned beer in the
    UK also hit the streets in 1935.

    
    I was at a going away party for a manager. The place was called
    O'Gradys Pub and Brewery. I tried three different beers, the IPA
    was the best. Second best was the harvest pilsner. Good prices
    too, $3.50 for a pint. 

    Rather expensive for a US pint!

    Not of real (microbrew) beer.

    Had an interesting beer experiment last weekend.  On impulse, I bought
    a six pack of Apollo beer.  It was an ale and it was rather interesting
    tasting.  Don't know if I'd buy it again.  Tasted similar to Sam Adams
    which I really don't care for.  The packaging is what brought me to buy
    it.  Six pack carrier is all black with a very minimalist logo.  The
    bottles are dark blue with clear labels.  Anyone else in here tried it? 
    I don't think I'll buy another six pack and a case is right out.  

    The packaging gave me flashbacks of the old 70's fad of "generic
    product" packaging.

    
    	Brian, are you also the sort of person who votes for candidates
    	based on the color of their hair or other physical traits?
    
    	How shallow.
    

    Dawn, did you try it?  
    
    Shawn, don't you have some chi to touch or something?  

   Why are people talking about tea in the beer topic?
kb

    Because?

  hey, slab, knock off with the deep shtick, huh ?  you ain't
 follin the ladies

  bb

    slab is asking the tough questions today.

    
   	Why do people in here do anything that they do?
    

Awfully touch chi today.

    No, I didn't try it.
    
    Drinking beer just conjures up images for me of obscene acts that less
    than charitable people have often suggested that I perform with a
    horse, and I just don't want to go there.

re .556:

>                          -< chi -> Russian for tea >-

Chai.

    chi -> Chinese for eat.
    
    But then, you were probably thinking "qi."

  chi = slang or abbrev for city of wind

  bb

Nashua is the city of wind at the moment.

    An this be the box o' wind.

    Tried another Raspberry beer for Great Divide Brewing.  Still nothing
    is a patch on Framboisen, by new Belgium Brewing company.  Too bad
    their raspberry is only available between October and January. 
    Brekenridge raspberry porter is too sweet, Great Divide is also sweeter
    than I like and Naked Aspen Raspberry makes my teeth hurt and body want
    to reach for the insulin.  
    
    Frank didn't get a raspberry started this year, so I ave none at home.  
    
    meg

  chi is also a Greek letter often used in mathematics, most notably in
 the so-called "chi square" distributions, for one-tailed variations
 of the normal or bell curve.

  bb

  Not to mention "chi chi", one heckuva golfer on the senior tour

  bb

    re .571
    
    Never, ever waste good beer by coming back to work after consuming
    same.  

    chi = you in Cymraeg.  (ch as in loch, i = ee).

tai chi....  that could get errr...... interesting...

re .569:

When I see "chi" I think "chee" unless we're talking about the Greek letter.

Transliteration from non-Latin alphabits into English usually does follow
certain rules for consistancy and unambiguous pronunciation. "Chai" is
unambiguous.

  Except in sports, where ChiSox = Shysocks

  bb

    
    	Is that "Chai" like "Thai" or "Chai" like "Way"?
    

  .576  alphabits?

	consistency


	nnttm

  do you get more cereal in a box of cyrillic alphabits ?

  bb

>  .576  alphabits?

Sorry, too much Alpha device driver development lately. :-)

re .580: Bwahaha!

    Beer, people, beer!  
    <

    
    OK, I'll have an Oregon IPA.
    

    
    I'm currently indulging in a Post Road IPA, one of a six given to me by
    a very sweet and thoughtful friend with whom I had an IPA conversation
    last week.
    
    I should have gone straight to bed after rehearsal, but I needed to
    wind down a bit.
    
    This would go so nicely with a shot of JWR.  If I had any 8^/.
    

    
    
    	Had a "Boddington Pub Can Draught" and some kind of a white
    chocolate mousse beer the other day. The BPCD was pretty good (almost
    appeared to be a light colored guinness!), but I wouldn't drink too
    much of the chocolate mousse beer. Sickly sweet. Good after dinner
    drink I suppose, but as a beer it lacked something. 
    
    

    White Mousse is a dessert beer, and about as close to beer as a
    hazlenut/latte is to coffee.  (Can you spell abomination?)  
    
    Boddintons, on the other hand is a wonderful thing.  Creamier than Fat
    Tire, but not as heavy as an oatmeal stout.  
    
    meg

    
    
    	chocolate mousse beer??!!
    
    	gack!
    

  A friend in New Brunswick had "triple-moose" dinner celebrations.

  Moose steaks, Moosehead beer, followed by chocolate mousse.

  bb

    
    
    	Hey, the chocolate mousse beer wasn't that bad! :) I'm up to 40~
    different beers on my 100beer safari card at the Horseshoe Pub. I'm not
    looking forward to the chili beer. :)
    
    jim

    The chili beer is nasty.  

    there are worse things than the chile beer.  The chilepeppers they use
    are comparatively mild.  
    
    

    it can't be any worse than this 'Hot Damn' pepper schnapps that has
    been languishing undrunk at home for several years.

    
    'Hot Damn'!  Gosh, do I have a story about someone we all know drinking
    that.
    
    8^)
    

    i thought the same thing, mz_debra :-)))

    Oh, do tell!
    
    

    
    I think we'd better give her the opportunity to bribe us NOT to, first
    8^).
    

    
    > <<< Note 121.597 by POWDML::HANGGELI "Because I Can." >>>
    
    >I think we'd better give her the opportunity to bribe us NOT to, first
    
    <Makes quick diversion to the P&K note>   

    
    Oh...dear 8^E.
    
    

    Don't worry Deb, all you have to do is be willing to take a dollar 
    from him to insure his silence :-))))

    
    Oof.  Caught between a rock and a hard place!
    
    

    
    well, first of all, it was cinnamon schnapps, not pepper...
    
    

    Had some Red Banshee Ale last night.  Needs a bit more balance between
    the hops and the roasted barley, but on the whole, a good beer.
    
    meg

    Does it scream when you open it?

	I do! 

    Didn't scream, but I bewt after 3 or 4 I might learn to howl at the
    comet.
    
    ;-)

    it might be 121.*

Re: Dougo.

| Perhaps you should check the ingredients in oh, Guiness then.
    
    Pulped paper, ink.
    
    								-mr. bill

Guinness. 

Figured out what constitutes an "unassisted" goal yet in <chuckle> soccer?

daryll

    
    Oh, *Guinness*?  Well, that's different then.
    
    	Barley, Hops, Water, a bit of yeast.
    
    								-mr. bill

        Doesn't Guinness contain molasses?

      <<< Note 17.24430 by POLAR::RICHARDSON "Pangolin Wielding Ponce" >>>

>        Doesn't Guinness contain molasses?
	
	NO! It does not.

	In fact, I don't believe they use hops either. Barley, roasted barley,
	yeast and water.

Jim

Certainly does include hops.

If you're homebrewing it, a bit of Irish Moss as well.

daryll

                                
|    	In fact, I don't believe they use hops either.
    
    Oh yes it does.
    
    I'm not sure why Guinness would be mentioned in a discussion on
    blueberries:
    
    * Urban legends about what is in Guinness.
    
    * The number of homebrew "Guinness-style" recipies that have all sorts of
      odd adulterants.
    
    * Or nit picking that since not *ALL* of the barley in Guinness is
      roasted (some is steamed and flaked) it therefore contains
      something other than malt.
    
    								-mr. bill

A very small % of the barley in Guinness is roasted.

| A very small % of the barley in Guinness is roasted.
    
    Is that a fact?
    
    								-mr. bill

http://www.digital-sherpas.com/cocks/recipes/stouts/guinness.txt

Direct of Arthur Guinness and Sons, Ltd.

5,500 bushels of finest malted barley
475 bushels of roasted barley.

You do the math.

    the url troubles me.