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Title:Soapbox. Just Soapbox.
Notice:No more new notes
Moderator:WAHOO::LEVESQUEONS
Created:Thu Nov 17 1994
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:862
Total number of notes:339684

829.0. "Scots = Ebonics?" by BULEAN::BANKS (Orthogonality is your friend) Fri Dec 27 1996 18:03

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829.1ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownFri Dec 27 1996 18:172
829.2CONSLT::MCBRIDEIdleness, the holiday of foolsFri Dec 27 1996 18:203
829.3BULEAN::BANKSOrthogonality is your friendFri Dec 27 1996 18:223
829.4COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertFri Dec 27 1996 18:2459
829.5CONSLT::MCBRIDEIdleness, the holiday of foolsFri Dec 27 1996 18:321
829.6BUSY::SLABCrash, burn ... when will I learn?Fri Dec 27 1996 18:335
829.7MKOTS3::JMARTINEbonics Is Not ApplyFri Dec 27 1996 18:3524
829.8BULEAN::BANKSOrthogonality is your friendFri Dec 27 1996 18:383
829.9MKOTS3::JMARTINEbonics Is Not ApplyFri Dec 27 1996 18:432
829.10BULEAN::BANKSOrthogonality is your friendFri Dec 27 1996 18:443
829.11MKOTS3::JMARTINEbonics Is Not ApplyFri Dec 27 1996 18:4817
829.12ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownFri Dec 27 1996 18:562
829.13MKOTS3::JMARTINEbonics Is Not ApplyFri Dec 27 1996 20:121
829.14Little support heard from here...USPS::FPRUSSFrank Pruss, 202-232-7347Sat Dec 28 1996 04:289
829.15POLAR::WILSONCidentity generatorMon Dec 30 1996 00:522
829.16GOJIRA::JESSOPMon Dec 30 1996 13:123
829.17SMURF::WALTERSMon Dec 30 1996 13:3435
829.18COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertMon Dec 30 1996 13:364
829.19SMURF::WALTERSMon Dec 30 1996 13:436
829.20BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Mon Dec 30 1996 13:482
829.21POWDML::HANGGELImouth responsibilityMon Dec 30 1996 13:508
829.22BUSY::SLABDon't drink the (toilet) waterMon Dec 30 1996 13:537
829.23SMURF::WALTERSMon Dec 30 1996 13:544
829.24MKOTS3::JMARTINEbonics Is Not ApplyMon Dec 30 1996 14:0810
829.25SMURF::WALTERSMon Dec 30 1996 14:145
829.26MKOTS3::JMARTINEbonics Is Not ApplyMon Dec 30 1996 14:4912
829.27MKOTS3::JMARTINEbonics Is Not ApplyMon Dec 30 1996 14:504
829.28NOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Mon Dec 30 1996 14:534
829.29MKOTS3::JMARTINEbonics Is Not ApplyMon Dec 30 1996 14:5311
829.30ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownMon Dec 30 1996 15:202
829.31POWDML::HANGGELImouth responsibilityMon Dec 30 1996 15:233
829.32SMURF::WALTERSMon Dec 30 1996 15:253
829.33LANDO::OLIVER_Burban camperMon Dec 30 1996 15:271
829.34ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownMon Dec 30 1996 15:352
829.35LANDO::OLIVER_Burban camperMon Dec 30 1996 15:391
829.36ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownMon Dec 30 1996 15:522
829.37LANDO::OLIVER_Burban camperMon Dec 30 1996 15:592
829.38BUSY::SLABDon't like my p_n? 1-800-328-7448Mon Dec 30 1996 15:595
829.39LANDO::OLIVER_Burban camperMon Dec 30 1996 16:042
829.40ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownMon Dec 30 1996 16:102
829.41BUSY::SLABDuster :== idiot driver magnetMon Dec 30 1996 16:213
829.42GAVEL::JANDROWPartly to Mostly BlondeMon Dec 30 1996 16:3217
829.43MKOTS3::JMARTINEbonics Is Not ApplyMon Dec 30 1996 16:353
829.44CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayMon Dec 30 1996 16:3615
829.45GOJIRA::JESSOPMon Dec 30 1996 16:371
829.46SALEM::DODAHow could we know that promises end?Mon Dec 30 1996 16:4110
829.47BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Mon Dec 30 1996 16:4212
829.48NETRIX::thomasThe Code WarriorMon Dec 30 1996 16:424
829.49BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Mon Dec 30 1996 16:438
829.50BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Mon Dec 30 1996 16:4510
829.51BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Mon Dec 30 1996 16:458
829.52SMURF::WALTERSMon Dec 30 1996 16:5572
829.53MKOTS3::JMARTINEbonics Is Not ApplyMon Dec 30 1996 17:1242
829.54BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Mon Dec 30 1996 17:144
829.55BUSY::SLABDuster :== idiot driver magnetMon Dec 30 1996 17:157
829.56MKOTS3::JMARTINEbonics Is Not ApplyMon Dec 30 1996 17:196
829.57BUSY::SLABEnjoy what you doMon Dec 30 1996 17:233
829.58BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Mon Dec 30 1996 17:5514
829.59BULEAN::BANKSOrthogonality is your friendMon Dec 30 1996 18:026
829.60MKOTS3::JMARTINEbonics Is Not ApplyMon Dec 30 1996 18:0424
829.61CONSLT::MCBRIDEIdleness, the holiday of foolsMon Dec 30 1996 18:101
829.62SMURF::WALTERSMon Dec 30 1996 18:323
829.63POWDML::HANGGELImouth responsibilityMon Dec 30 1996 18:333
829.64SMURF::WALTERSMon Dec 30 1996 18:351
829.65SBUOA::GUILLERMOBut the world still goes round and roundMon Dec 30 1996 18:3920
829.66SBUOA::GUILLERMOBut the world still goes round and roundMon Dec 30 1996 18:421
829.67SBUOA::GUILLERMOBut the world still goes round and roundMon Dec 30 1996 18:496
829.68CONSLT::MCBRIDEIdleness, the holiday of foolsMon Dec 30 1996 18:556
829.69MKOTS3::JMARTINEbonics Is Not ApplyMon Dec 30 1996 18:593
829.70SBUOA::GUILLERMOBut the world still goes round and roundMon Dec 30 1996 19:1111
829.71BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Mon Dec 30 1996 19:116
829.72SMURF::WALTERSMon Dec 30 1996 19:1625
829.73LANDO::OLIVER_Burban camperMon Dec 30 1996 19:195
829.74SBUOA::GUILLERMOBut the world still goes round and roundMon Dec 30 1996 19:203
829.75Language?? "Try spelling"ASABET::JDOYLETue Dec 31 1996 11:152
829.76ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownTue Dec 31 1996 11:412
829.77NEMAIL::SOBECKYThe facts, though interesting, are irrelevantThu Jan 02 1997 22:492
829.78CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayThu Jan 02 1997 23:3816
829.79Ebonics is not about pronunciationUSPS::FPRUSSFrank Pruss, 202-232-7347Fri Jan 03 1997 02:0718
829.80BULEAN::BANKSOrthogonality is your friendFri Jan 03 1997 11:4413
829.81cobination of ebony and phony?SMURF::WALTERSFri Jan 03 1997 11:478
829.82"uninte"?...TLE::RALTOLeggo My LegoFri Jan 03 1997 12:577
829.83SMURF::WALTERSFri Jan 03 1997 13:051
829.84SPECXN::BARNESFri Jan 03 1997 13:094
829.85POMPY::LESLIEFri Jan 03 1997 13:121
829.86Can't hear ya, crows outside making cawcawphonyTLE::RALTOLeggo My LegoFri Jan 03 1997 13:316
829.87CSC32::M_EVANSbe the villageFri Jan 03 1997 13:329
829.88SMURF::WALTERSFri Jan 03 1997 13:341
829.89What's it sound like?USPS::FPRUSSFrank Pruss, 202-232-7347Fri Jan 03 1997 13:353
829.90CSC32::M_EVANSbe the villageFri Jan 03 1997 13:503
829.91MKOTS3::JMARTINEbonics Is Not ApplyFri Jan 03 1997 13:5635
829.92USPS::FPRUSSFrank Pruss, 202-232-7347Fri Jan 03 1997 14:0011
829.93a personal faveWAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjFri Jan 03 1997 14:121
829.95BULEAN::BANKSOrthogonality is your friendFri Jan 03 1997 14:147
829.96correctionCSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayFri Jan 03 1997 14:174
829.97LANDO::OLIVER_Bready to begin againFri Jan 03 1997 14:192
829.98CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayFri Jan 03 1997 14:193
829.99BULEAN::BANKSOrthogonality is your friendFri Jan 03 1997 14:211
829.100NOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Fri Jan 03 1997 14:255
829.101LANDO::OLIVER_Bready to begin againFri Jan 03 1997 14:261
829.102SMURF::WALTERSFri Jan 03 1997 14:313
829.103LANDO::OLIVER_Bready to begin againFri Jan 03 1997 14:361
829.104BUSY::SLABCrazy Cooter comin' atcha!!Fri Jan 03 1997 14:423
829.105TROOA::BUTKOVICHoski wee wee, oski wah wahFri Jan 03 1997 14:461
829.106CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayFri Jan 03 1997 14:484
829.107BUSY::SLABCrazy Cooter comin' atcha!!Fri Jan 03 1997 15:013
829.108CONSLT::MCBRIDEIdleness, the holiday of foolsFri Jan 03 1997 15:281
829.109ZEKE::palium.zko.dec.com::stoddardInterdum vincit draco!Fri Jan 03 1997 15:373
829.110CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayFri Jan 03 1997 15:408
829.111ZEKE::palium.zko.dec.com::stoddardInterdum vincit draco!Fri Jan 03 1997 15:512
829.112CSC32::M_EVANSbe the villageFri Jan 03 1997 16:069
829.113SBUOA::GUILLERMOBut the world still goes round and roundFri Jan 03 1997 16:171
829.114SMART2::JENNISONGod and sinners, reconciledFri Jan 03 1997 16:565
829.115GOJIRA::JESSOPFri Jan 03 1997 16:593
829.116POLAR::RICHARDSONPatented Problem GeneratorFri Jan 03 1997 17:012
829.117POWDML::HANGGELImouth responsibilityFri Jan 03 1997 17:043
829.118BUSY::SLABDancin' on CoalsFri Jan 03 1997 17:123
829.119MKOTS3::JMARTINEbonics Is Not ApplyFri Jan 03 1997 17:135
829.120CONSLT::MCBRIDEIdleness, the holiday of foolsFri Jan 03 1997 17:131
829.121CSC32::M_EVANSbe the villageFri Jan 03 1997 17:159
829.122BUSY::SLABDancin' on CoalsFri Jan 03 1997 17:166
829.123CONSLT::MCBRIDEIdleness, the holiday of foolsFri Jan 03 1997 17:171
829.124BUSY::SLABDancin' on CoalsFri Jan 03 1997 17:183
829.125CSC32::M_EVANSbe the villageFri Jan 03 1997 17:215
829.126MKOTS3::JMARTINEbonics Is Not ApplyFri Jan 03 1997 17:223
829.127CSC32::M_EVANSbe the villageFri Jan 03 1997 17:232
829.128POMPY::LESLIEMon Jan 06 1997 07:2310
829.129BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Mon Jan 06 1997 09:505
829.130NOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Mon Jan 06 1997 12:345
829.131POMPY::LESLIEMon Jan 06 1997 12:371
829.132SMART2::JENNISONGod and sinners, reconciledMon Jan 06 1997 12:5716
829.133EVMS::MORONEYRobigusMon Jan 06 1997 13:1317
829.134CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayMon Jan 06 1997 13:168
829.135SMART2::JENNISONGod and sinners, reconciledMon Jan 06 1997 13:205
829.136POMPY::LESLIEMon Jan 06 1997 13:222
829.137Seemed to do a brisk business!USPS::FPRUSSFrank Pruss, 202-232-7347Mon Jan 06 1997 13:253
829.138POMPY::LESLIEMon Jan 06 1997 13:271
829.139COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertMon Jan 06 1997 13:305
829.140WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjMon Jan 06 1997 13:314
829.141POMPY::LESLIEDigital: the ohm of futile resistanceMon Jan 06 1997 13:321
829.142COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertMon Jan 06 1997 13:3619
829.143BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Mon Jan 06 1997 13:563
829.144POWDML::HANGGELImouth responsibilityFri Jan 10 1997 13:28115
829.145Demonstrate obsurdity with obsurdity! I Love it!BRITE::FYFEUse it up, wear it out, make it do, or do without.Mon Jan 13 1997 12:301
829.146SSDEVO::RALSTONK=tc^2Tue Jan 14 1997 17:0277
829.147SPECXN::BARNESTue Jan 14 1997 20:0815
829.148POMPY::LESLIEandy@reboot.demon.co.ukTue Jan 21 1997 08:217
829.149APACHE::KEITHDr. DeuceThu Jan 23 1997 10:3352
829.150POLAR::RICHARDSONPatented Problem GeneratorThu Jan 23 1997 13:021
829.151NOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Thu Jan 23 1997 13:031
829.152PENUTS::DDESMAISONSperson BThu Jan 23 1997 13:129
829.153NOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Thu Jan 23 1997 13:141
829.154SMURF::WALTERSThu Jan 23 1997 13:162
829.155SMURF::BINDERErrabit quicquid errare potest.Thu Jan 23 1997 17:1414
829.156edit, repost, edit, repost...PENUTS::DDESMAISONSperson BThu Jan 23 1997 17:155
829.157CONSLT::MCBRIDEIdleness, the holiday of foolsThu Jan 23 1997 17:281
829.158BUSY::SLABAs you wishThu Jan 23 1997 17:297
829.159EVMS::MORONEYUHF ComputersThu Jan 23 1997 17:355
829.160SALEM::DODALife's a meeting. Get on the agenda!Thu Jan 23 1997 17:4117
829.161I be a hard workin'FABSIX::M_CADIEUXKADOUFri Jan 24 1997 00:225
    
      I can't beleive this.  If people can't understand the English
    language, then they are just lazy.  If their is a new language taught,
    because it seems easier to them, give 'em a tissue to wipe those tears.
    I can see it now, going for a job interveiw speaking ebonics. HA!
829.162POMPY::LESLIEandy@reboot.demon.co.ukFri Jan 24 1997 06:075
                <<< Note 829.161 by FABSIX::M_CADIEUX "KADOU" >>>
>    ....If their is a new language taught...
    
    Bzzt. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200. Do not cast the first stone.

829.163Dat wus a blunderFABSIX::M_CADIEUXKADOUFri Jan 24 1997 08:463
     
      Oops, does that mean I qualify for the hooked on ebonics course?
    
829.164CHEFS::16.42.3.26::leslieareally POMPY::LESLIEFri Jan 24 1997 10:091
BTW: "I before E except after C and whenever it sounds like an A".
829.165COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertFri Jan 24 1997 12:161
...and except for weird, which is weird.
829.166doesn't roolGAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaFri Jan 24 1997 12:204
  Um... ancient science ?

  bb
829.167PENUTS::DDESMAISONSperson BFri Jan 24 1997 13:005
  and then there are those pesky things like "height"
  and "sleight".


829.168SMURF::BINDERErrabit quicquid errare potest.Fri Jan 24 1997 13:205
    .161
    
    > If their is...
    
    There, there.  You'll feel better in the morning.
829.169MKOTS3::JMARTINEbonics Is Not ApplyFri Jan 24 1997 14:043
 ZZ   The new resolution said studies had shown that African Language Systems
    
    Ebonics has no basis in African dialects.
829.170LABC::RUFri Jan 24 1997 15:4898
Geekonics
By John Woestendiek
Philadelphia Inquirer
Wed., January 8, 1997

NEWS BULLETIN: Saying it will improve the education of children who
have grown up immersed in computer lingo, the school board in San
Jose, Calif., has officially designated computer English, or
"Geekonics", as a second language.

The historic vote on Geekonics -- a combination of the word "geek"
and the word "phonics" -- came just weeks after the Oakland school
board recognized black English, or Ebonics, as a distinct language.

"This entirely reconfigures our parameters," Milton "Floppy"
Macintosh, chairman of Geekonics Unlimited, said after the school
board became the first in the nation to recognize Geekonics.

"No longer are we preformatted for failure," Macintosh said during a
celebration that saw many Geekonics backers come dangerously close
to smiling. "Today, we are rebooting, implementing a program to
process the data we need to interface with all units of humanity."

Controversial and widely misunderstood, the Geekonics movement was
spawned in California's Silicon Valley, where many children have
grown up in households headed by computer technicians, programmers,
engineers and scientists who have lost ability to speak plain
English and have inadvertently passed on their high-tech vernacular
to their children.

HELPING THE TRANSITION

While schools will not teach the language, increased teacher
awareness of Geekonics, proponents say, will help children make the
transition to standard English. Those students, in turn, could
possibly help their parents learn to speak in a manner that would
lead listeners to believe that they have actual blood coursing
through their veins.

"Bit by bit, byte by byte, with the proper system development, with
nonpreemptive multitasking, I see no reason why we can't download
the data we need to modulate our oral output," Macintosh said.

The designation of Ebonics and Geekonics as languages reflects a
growing awareness of our nation's lingual diversity, experts say.

Other groups pushing for their own languages and/or vernaculars to
be declared official viewed the Geekonics vote as a step in the
right direction.

"This is just, like, OK, you know, the most totally kewl thing,
like, ever," said Jennifer Notat-Albright, chairwoman of the
Committee for the Advancement of Valleyonics, headquartered in
Southern California. "I mean, like, you know?" she added.

THEY'RE HAPPY IN DIXIE

"Yeee-hah," said Buford "Kudzu" Davis, president of the Dixionics
Coalition. "Y'all gotta know I'm as happy as a tick on a sleeping
bloodhound about this. We could be fartin' thru silk purdy soon."

Spokesmen for several subchapters of Dixionics -- including
Alabonics, Tennesonics and Louisionics -- also said they approved of
the decision.

Bill Flack, public information officer for the Blue Ribbon Task
Force on Bureaucratonics said that his organization would not
comment on the San Jose vote until it convened a summit meeting,
studied the impact, assessed the feasibility, finalized a report and
drafted a comprehensive action plan, which, once it clears the
appropriate subcommittees and is voted on, will be made public to
those who submit the proper information-request forms.

Proponents of Ebonics heartily endorsed the designation of Geekonics
as an official language.

"I ain't got no problem wif it," said Earl E. Byrd, president of the
Ebonics Institute. "You ever try talkin' wif wunna dem computer
dudes? Don't matter if it be a white computer dude or a black
computer dude; it's like you be talkin' to a robot -- RAM, DOS,
undelete, MegaHertZ. Ain't nobody understands. But dey keep talkin'
anyway. 'Sup wif dat?"

Those involved in the lingual diversity movement believe that only
by enacting many different English languages, in addition to all the
foreign ones practiced here, can we all end up happily speaking the
same boring one, becoming a nation that is both unified in its
diversity, and diversified in its unity.

Others say that makes no sense at all. In any language.



--
"Computers are worthless - they only give answers."  Pablo Picasso


829.171CHEFS::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitFri Jan 24 1997 15:492
    I`m sorry,but this ebonics lark really is a load of old tosh.
    
829.172SMURF::WALTERSFri Jan 24 1997 16:3261
    It's Rabby Burns week or summat, Aye.   Let's celebrate wi some canny
    Scots; Tae A Moose.
    
    On Turning Her up in her Nest with the Plough, November 1785
    
    Wee, sleekit, cowrin', tim'rous beastie,
       O, what a panic's in thy breastie!
       Thou need na start awa sae hasty,
          Wi' bickering brattle!
       I wad be laith to rin an' chase thee,
          Wi' murd'ring pattle!
       
       I'm truly sorry man's dominion,
       Has broken Nature's social union,
       An' justifies that ill opinion,
          Which makes thee startle
       At me, thy poor, earth-born companion,
          An' fellow-mortal!
       
       I doubt na, whiles, but thou may thieve;
       What then? poor beastie, thou maun live!
       A daimen icker in a thrave
          'S a sma' request;
       I'll get blessin wi' the lave,
          An' never miss't!
       
       Thy wee bit housie, too, in ruin!
       It's silly wa's the win's are strewin!
       An' naething, now, to big a new ane,
          O' foggage green!
       An' bleak December's winds ensuin,
          Baith snell an' keen!
       
       Thou saw the fields laid bare an' waste,
       An' weary winter comin fast,
       An' cozie here, beneath the blast,
          Thou thought to dwell ---
       Till crash ! the cruel coulter past      
          Out thro' thy cell.
       
       That wee bit heap o' leaves an' stibble,
       Has cost thee monie a weary nibble!
       Now thou's turn'd out, for a' thy trouble,
          But house or hald,
       To thole the winter's sleety dribble,
          An' cranreuch cauld !
       
       But Mousie, thou art no thy lane,
       In proving foresight may be vain;
       The best-laid schemes o' mice an' men
          Gang aft agley,
       An' lea'e us nought but grief an' pain,
          For promis'd joy !
       
       Still thou art blest, compar'd wi' me!
       The present only toucheth thee:
       But och! I backward cast my e'e,
          On prospects drear!
       An' forward, tho' I canna see,
          I guess an' fear!
       
829.173PENUTS::DDESMAISONSperson BFri Jan 24 1997 16:394
   .172  cranreuch?


829.174NOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Fri Jan 24 1997 16:432
It's a new Ocean Spray product containing a little Secretary of Labor
in every bottle.
829.175SMURF::WALTERSFri Jan 24 1997 16:463
    Hoarfrost, or llwydrew in Brythonic
    
    
829.176BUSY::SLABAs you wishMon Jan 27 1997 17:016
    
    Question:  Why were there only 49 contestants for the "Miss Ebonics 
    U.S.A." Pageant??
    
    Answer: No contestant wanted to wear a banner that said, "Idaho"! 
    
829.177What is hip? Tell me tell me, if you think you know...SBUOA::GUILLERMOBut the world still goes round and roundMon Jan 27 1997 21:2414
    Ya know....
    
    I caint hep but recall at this juncture...the absolute hysteria I drove
    some boxers to, some who've disdainfully replied in this here very
    note, when I used the term "opprobrium" in the OJ note.
    
    What a panic, a veritable deluge of puns and various other "witty"
    observations were unleashed.
    
    And all became silent once again when I said "If I'd said she was
    dissed...that would have been accepted as a matter of course".
    
    Seems you can't talk up and you can't talk down. Just another insight
    from ol' Uncle Brandon.
829.178PENUTS::DDESMAISONSperson BMon Jan 27 1997 21:323
   .177   how...deep.

829.179COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertMon Jan 27 1997 21:434
So deep I'll be puttin' on my hip-waders.

/john
829.180BUSY::SLABAs you wishMon Jan 27 1997 21:445
    
    	Well, it must be deep, because otherwise I'd have to believe that
    	Brandon said something completely ridiculous.  And you know that I
    	wouldn't want to do that unless it were absolutely necessary.
    
829.181SBUOA::GUILLERMOBut the world still goes round and roundTue Jan 28 1997 12:271
    Keep on...keepin' on.
829.182PENUTS::DDESMAISONSperson BTue Jan 28 1997 13:1813
><<< Note 829.177 by SBUOA::GUILLERMO "But the world still goes round and round" >>>
    
>    I caint hep but recall at this juncture...the absolute hysteria I drove
>    some boxers to, some who've disdainfully replied in this here very
>    note, when I used the term "opprobrium" in the OJ note.
    
	What a bunch of crap, Brandon.  If people are interested in
	seeing the "absolute hysteria" for themselves, they can
	check out notes 34.2643 and on.  You made up the "hysteria" out
	of whole cloth.



829.183SBUOA::GUILLERMOBut the world still goes round and roundTue Jan 28 1997 13:428
    "Idaho" is crap.
    
    But, we've all got our preferences.
    
    Maybe I'll enter a poem from Paul Lawrence Dunbar, showcasing a dialect
    that doesn't exhibit ignorance.
    
    Just for contrast.
829.184WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjTue Jan 28 1997 13:484
    >"Idaho" is crap.
    
     So then state that it's crap and spare us the self pity. Sometimes,
    Brandon, you wear victimhood like a sweater.
829.185Ain't that Doc-onics?SBUOA::GUILLERMOBut the world still goes round and roundTue Jan 28 1997 13:491
    yawn.
829.186especially when it's true?WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjTue Jan 28 1997 13:521
    You never like to hear it, even when it's true.
829.187PENUTS::DDESMAISONSperson BTue Jan 28 1997 13:548
><<< Note 829.183 by SBUOA::GUILLERMO "But the world still goes round and round" >>>

>    "Idaho" is crap.

	I totally agree.  But that does not mean that the "absolute
	hysteria" claim was not also crap.


829.188SBUOA::GUILLERMOBut the world still goes round and roundTue Jan 28 1997 13:581
    Thank you for your support.
829.189injoke ?GAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaTue Jan 28 1997 14:064
  Please explain "Idaho".

  bb
829.190Mebbe you need a week of Ebonics to understand it??COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertTue Jan 28 1997 14:081
re .189 see .176
829.191SBUOA::GUILLERMOBut the world still goes round and roundTue Jan 28 1997 14:0811
    re:.186 <Doc>
    
    You keep score real good (well). You should have participated in the
    Super Bowl, the Pats might've have cleaved that 14 point spread.
    
    re: Ms. DesMaisons
    
    You seem to think that I make blanket accusations. I think I'm
    responding to all those "subtle" hint droppers dispersed throughout
    this conference. You thought I made a blanket accusation in 34 and you
    were wrong.
829.192SBUOA::GUILLERMOBut the world still goes round and roundTue Jan 28 1997 14:123
    re: "absolute hysteria"
    
    Aw gee, don't I get poetic licence?
829.193like a hackney carriage...GAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaTue Jan 28 1997 14:164
  fer unlicensed poesy, see Colin...

  bb
829.194SMURF::WALTERSTue Jan 28 1997 14:201
    Vy, zank you mein herr.
829.195PENUTS::DDESMAISONSperson BTue Jan 28 1997 14:3919
><<< Note 829.191 by SBUOA::GUILLERMO "But the world still goes round and round" >>>

    Ah.  The king of the subtle hint droppers himself speaks.    

> You thought I made a blanket accusation in 34 and you were wrong.

    Yes, you are correct.  I could claim that saying "we're all
    racists" was poetic license, but I won't.  I apologize for that
    over-reaction.  I'll admit to being hyper-sensitive to the 
    suggestion that any of us is a racist, because to me, it's just
    about the most despicable thing that any human being can be.

    However, none of this has anything to do with your use of the
    term "opprobrium".  Nor did it at the time.  And your 34.2656 was
    just out in left field, imo.  Smiley face notwithstanding, it was
    pretty offensive.



829.196SBUOA::GUILLERMOBut the world still goes round and roundWed Jan 29 1997 18:1355
    re:195 <Ms. DesMaisons>

    >    Ah.  The king of the subtle hint droppers himself speaks.    

    Why thank you. Coming from you I consider that a high compliment.
    Some in here think it takes way more sophistication than I, a former
    resident of 122nd St., Harlem and St. Marks Ave, Bed-Stuy Brooklyn, could
    ever possess.

    >    Yes, you are correct.  I could claim that saying "we're all
    > racists" was poetic license, but I won't.

    Please don't attribute my statement as dissembling. I have no reason for
    it. My focus was solely on my interpretation of the word-play (and past
    manifestations of it in other topics).

>  I apologize for that over-reaction.
    > I'll admit to being hyper-sensitive to the suggestion that any of us
    >is a racist, because to me, it's just about the most despicable thing
    >that any human being can be.

    I stated in this note and 34 what the object of my focus was; if you're
    hyper-sensitive, how am I to blame? You know what you believe and why
    so it should be obvious what applies and what doesn't. Besides,
    what makes your perception of how I perceive what "any of us" is more
    valid than mine? Something that seems harmless to you may not to me because
    we don't share the same experiences. I don't equate your opinions to others.

    I think perceptions run the gamut in here, from naivete to paternalism to
    outright malevolent bias.
    And oh by the way, include egalitarianism in that mix.

    >However, none of this has anything to do with your use of the
    >term "opprobrium".

    You're right. None of your commentary has anything to do with it.

    829.177 comments on contradictory expectations that exist: either speech
    is not erudite (enough) or speech is too erudite. I'm personally familiar
    with this dichotomy and it's not exclusive to one race. And one does not
    have to be racist to engage in it.

>      Nor did it at the time.  And your 34.2656 was just out in left field,
>	imo.

    Then you chose to ignore the ensuing (and preceding) replies to your own.

>  Smiley face notwithstanding, it was pretty offensive.

   On this, we agree. ;-) Although likely not for the same reasons.

   I have always said I don't care who is a racist, because I have no need for
   any one to like me. Got over that long ago.

   However, when stereotyping occurs it needs to be addressed.
829.197POLAR::RICHARDSONPatented Problem GeneratorWed Jan 29 1997 18:401
    Hey! DayMayZahn! When you gonna coal me, hanh?!?!
829.198LANDO::OLIVER_Bready to begin againWed Jan 29 1997 18:441
    .197  hohohoheeeheee!
829.199SBUOA::GUILLERMOBut the world still goes round and roundWed Jan 29 1997 18:549
              eh?
	      /
	  oO)-.
	 /__  _\       
	 \  \(  |      
	  \__|\ {                                             
	  '  '--'   
    
829.200PENUTS::DDESMAISONSperson BThu Jan 30 1997 01:0834
><<< Note 829.196 by SBUOA::GUILLERMO "But the world still goes round and round" >>>

>    Why thank you. Coming from you I consider that a high compliment.

    Too bad that it wasn't intended as such, eh?

>    Some in here think it takes way more sophistication than I, a former
>    resident of 122nd St., Harlem and St. Marks Ave, Bed-Stuy Brooklyn, could
>    ever possess.

    And who would those people be, exactly?

>    I stated in this note and 34 what the object of my focus was; if you're
>    hyper-sensitive, how am I to blame? You know what you believe and why

    Oh, so when I apologize for something, that means I'm saying you're
    to blame for it?  Okay, if you say so.

>    >However, none of this has anything to do with your use of the
>    >term "opprobrium".

>    You're right. None of your commentary has anything to do with it.

    Well, since you brought it up in .191, I thought I should address it.

>    829.177 comments on contradictory expectations that exist: either speech
>    is not erudite (enough) or speech is too erudite. I'm personally familiar

    Who said "opprobrium" was too "erudite"?

    I can tell right now we'll never be on the same wave length about
    (at the very least) this subject.


829.201SBUOA::GUILLERMOBut the world still goes round and roundThu Jan 30 1997 12:527
    	re:.200
    
    	Well, I'm sorry you received a different message from what I
    	transmitted.
    
    	As for the rest, you read as well as I do (or maybe you'd consider
    	that "better").
829.202PENUTS::DDESMAISONSperson BThu Jan 30 1997 13:326

  .201   sigh.  okay, Brandon.



829.203MKOTS3::JMARTINEbonics Is Not ApplyThu Jan 30 1997 14:211
    How come Di and Raq are so cranky lately?
829.204POMPY::LESLIEandy@reboot.demon.co.ukThu Jan 30 1997 14:431
    They're wymmyn. They're allowed.
829.205PENUTS::DDESMAISONSperson BThu Jan 30 1997 15:156
  .203  while we're into wondering about such things, how come
	you're a bonehead year-round?



829.206MKOTS3::JMARTINEbonics Is Not ApplyThu Jan 30 1997 15:241
    Di, do I detect we are having marital problems?
829.207NOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Thu Jan 30 1997 15:261
Jack and Di married?!  But Jack is Di's son!  Scandalous!!
829.208MKOTS3::JMARTINEbonics Is Not ApplyThu Jan 30 1997 15:291
    Actually, I see Di's remark as a term of endearment!  
829.209BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Thu Jan 30 1997 16:281
yes, we know that. you see everything wrong! :-)
829.210BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Fri Jan 31 1997 11:3323
             TOP TEN SIGNS YOUR KID IS TAKING DWEEBONICS CLASSES

Who said that Ebonics is the only kind of nonstandard English schools need to 
know about? School boards in Silicon Valley have already adopted a course for 
the pocket protector set without telling anyone. There's only one way to find 
out if your kids are learning this stuff, moms and dads. Watch for these 
telltale signs your children are studying Dweebonics:

10. They tilt their head sideways to smile.
9.  When you ground them, they say, "Your UI could really use some work."
8.  They say, "My dad can beat your dad at Quake."
7.  Instead of laughing, they say, "LOL."
6.  They insult kids by saying, "And you've got limited bandwidth!"
5.  They change the answering machine message to "BRB, leave your URL, and
    we'll TTYL."
4.  This is how they ask someone out on a date: "Umm, uh, well...see ya!"
3.  Calling from camp, your homesick child says, "I'm roaming outside my
    service area!"
2.  When you ask if they've finished their book report, they say, "It's in
    beta, but it'll ship in time."
1.  You're telling them something they don't want to hear.  They're saying,
    "NAK, NAK, NAK" the whole time.

829.211SCASS1::BARBER_AA.D.I.D.A.S.Fri Jan 31 1997 13:351
    -1 That's great!  I think #3 got cut off though...
829.212ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownFri Jan 31 1997 13:372
    
    <--- 'pril darling!!!! missed you.
829.213SCASS1::BARBER_AA.D.I.D.A.S.Fri Jan 31 1997 13:413
    Uh, um, er, ah, like, I missed you too.
    
    8)
829.214BUSY::SLABAs you wishFri Jan 31 1997 14:203
    
    	April, sounds like it's time to recalibrate that scope of yours.
    
829.215SCASS1::BARBER_AA.D.I.D.A.S.Fri Jan 31 1997 14:211
    Which scope?
829.216POLAR::RICHARDSONPatented Problem GeneratorFri Jan 31 1997 14:221
    Your silly scope.
829.217SCASS1::BARBER_AA.D.I.D.A.S.Fri Jan 31 1997 14:231
    Uh-oh.  So .210 wasn't funny after all?
829.218BUSY::SLABAs you wishFri Jan 31 1997 14:283
    
    	Rifle scope, dear.
    
829.219SCASS1::BARBER_AA.D.I.D.A.S.Fri Jan 31 1997 14:321
    Oh!  Okay, thanks.
829.220Prelude to DunbarSBUOA::GUILLERMOBut the world still goes round and roundSat Feb 01 1997 22:2624
    "The Verb To Be"
    
    by Mervyn Warren, on Quincy Jones' Back on the Block album c. 1989
    
    
    Please Understand
    
    We realize that all of these he be's, she be's 
    
    and we be's 
    
    Can cause the connoisseurs of speech
    
    To get the heebie-jeebies
    
    But after all if you don't be
    
    And they don't be, who do?
    
    So allow us to personify, and 
    
    Conjugate the verb to be for you...
    
    < Followed by _bad_(_wicked_) tune "We B. Do-in It">
829.221The conserves oughta love this'nSBUOA::GUILLERMOBut the world still goes round and roundFri Feb 07 1997 18:3060
    	In The Morning

	'Lias 'Lias! Bless de Lawd!
	Don' you know de day's erbroad?
	Ef you don' git up, you scamp,
	Dey'll be trouble in dis camp.
	T'ink I gwine to let you sleep
	W'ile I meks yo' boa'd an' keep?
	Dat's a putty howdy-do --
	Don' you hyeah me, 'Lias -- you?

	Bet ef I come crost dis flo'
	You won' fin' no time to sno'.
	Daylight all a-shinin' in
	W'ile you sleep -- w'y hit's a sin!
	Ain't de can'le-light enough
	To bu'n out widout a snuff,
	But you go de mo'nin' thoo
	Bu'in' up de daylight too?

	'Lias, don' you hyeah me call?
	No use tu'nin to'ds de wall;
	I kin hyeah dat mattus squeak;
	Don' you hyeah me w'en I speak?
	Dis hyeah clock done struck off six --
	Ca'line, bring me dem ah sticks!
	Oh, you down, suh; huh, you down --
	Look hyeah, don' you daih to frown,

	Ma'ch yo'se'f an' wash yo' face,
	Don' you splattah all de place;
	I got somep'n else to do,
	'Sides jes' cleanin' aftah you.
	Tek dat comb an' fix yo' haid --
	Looks jes' lak a feddah baid.
	Look hyeah, boy, I let you see
	You sha'n't roll yo' eyes at me.

	Come hyeah; bring me dat ah strap!
	Boy, I'll whup you 'twell you drap;
	You done felt yo'se'f too strong,
	An' you sholy got me wrong.
	Set down at dat table thaih;
	Jes' you whimpah ef you daih!
	Evah mo'nin' on dis place
	Seem lak I mus' lose my grace.

	Fol' yo' han's an' bow yo' haid -- 
	Wait ontwell de blessin's said;
	"Lawd, have mussy on ouah souls -- "
	(Don' you daih to tech dem rolls --)
	"Bless de food we gwine to eat -- "
	(You set still -- I see yo' feet;
	You jes' try dat trick agin!)
	"Gin us peace an' joy. Amen!"

				Paul Laurence Dunbar

				1872 - 1906
    
829.222and lest there be doubt about versatility...SBUOA::GUILLERMOBut the world still goes round and roundFri Feb 07 1997 18:3120
		We Wear The Mask

	We wear the mask that grins and lies,
	It hides our cheeks and shades our eyes, --
	This debt we pay to human guile;
	With torn and bleeding hearts we smile,
	And mouth with myriad subtleties.

	Why should the world be over-wise,
	In counting all our tears and sighs?
	Nay, let them only see us, while
	We wear the mask.

	We smile, but, O great Christ, our cries
	To thee from tortured souls arise.
	We sing, but oh the clay is vile
	Beneath our feet, and long the mile;
	But let the world dream otherwise,
	We wear the mask.
    
829.223SBUOA::GUILLERMOBut the world still goes round and roundFri Feb 07 1997 18:321
    ...yeah...I think Scots and "Ebonics" could have equivalence...
829.224PENUTS::DDESMAISONSperson BFri Feb 07 1997 19:044
  .222  quite nice.


829.225BUSY::SLABDogbert's New Ruling Class: 150KFri Feb 07 1997 19:086
    
    	RE: .222/.221
    
    	Is .222 supposed to be a translation?  There seems to be quite
    	a bit more verbage required in the Ebonics version in .221.
    
829.226?PERFOM::LICEA_KANEwhen it's comin' from the leftFri Feb 07 1997 19:157
|   Is .222 supposed to be a translation?
    
    No.  It is another verse written by the same poet.
    
    Read both poems with your eyes open.
    
    								-mr. bill
829.227PENUTS::DDESMAISONSperson BFri Feb 07 1997 19:1911
>      <<< Note 829.225 by BUSY::SLAB "Dogbert's New Ruling Class: 150K" >>>

>    	a bit more verbage required in the Ebonics version in .221.

    verbiage


    de nada

    

829.228BUSY::SLABDogbert's New Ruling Class: 150KFri Feb 07 1997 19:238
    
    	RE: .226
    
    	Would the 'BOXer closest to Mr. Bill please whack him upside the
    	head?
    
    	Thank you.
    
829.229SALEM::DODAApparently a true story....Fri Feb 07 1997 19:471
<line begins to form>
829.230BUSY::SLABDon't drink the (toilet) waterFri Feb 07 1997 20:195
    
    	<and 'BOXers from as far as away as Istanbul, undaunted by the
    	 distance, take a ticket and find the end of the line.  The low
    	 numbers are being auctioned off as we speak.>
    
829.231Nothing they can do _with_ you, eitherSBUOA::GUILLERMOBut the world still goes round and roundMon Feb 10 1997 12:001
    What _would_ they do without you, mr. bill?
829.232?PERFOM::LICEA_KANEwhen it's comin' from the leftMon Feb 10 1997 13:1616
|    	Would the 'BOXer closest to Mr. Bill please whack him upside the
|    	head?
    
    What am I to make of you?
    
    When I sat in English class, children like you got their heads handed
    to them.
    
    
    Are you saying you are *so* ignorant that you can't understand
    .221 and .222?
    
    Or are you saying that you are *so* ignorant that you do understand
    them, but chose to be "cute?"
    
    								-mr. bill
829.233POWDML::HANGGELILet's Play ChocolateTue Feb 11 1997 14:4544
    
    			 Los Angeles school board
                         rejects ebonics proposal
    
                         Associated Press, 02/11/97; 08:03 
    
                         LOS ANGELES (AP) - The only black
                         member of Los Angeles' school board is
                         criticizing the panel for rejecting a motion to
                         accept ebonics as part of its curriculum. 
    
                         Barbara Boudreaux slammed the board's
                         decision Monday to reject her proposals to
                         train all teachers to understand ebonics, or
                         black English, and to provide new teaching
                         methods to help students learn mainstream
                         English. 
    
                         Her draft resolution would have made the
                         district acknowledge ebonics - the combination
                         of the words ``ebony'' and ``phonics'' first
                         coined in 1973 to describe black speech
                         patterns - as a distinct language. 
    
                         ``The public now is very clear as to how
                         political our board is and how they operate,''
                         she said. ``There's no intention to educate
                         African-Americans at the highest level.'' 
    
                         The board did, however, vote to review its
                         language programs. 
                         
                         Critics, including some black leaders, had
                         blasted Boudreaux's proposals, which would
                         have required teachers to spend up to 18
                         hours learning ebonics and then treat
                         ebonics-speaking children as if they spoke a
                         distinctly different language, such as Spanish. 
    
                         Ebonics was ``the worst thing that can possibly
                         happen to black people ... to black children,''
                         said the Rev. Jessie Lee Peterson of the
                         Brotherhood Organization of a New Destiny. 
    
829.234WMOIS::GIROUARD_CTue Feb 11 1997 16:182
someone give a dime to Ms Boudreaux so she can call
1-800-waaaahhhhh...
829.235Be coolSBUOA::GUILLERMOBut the world still goes round and roundTue Feb 11 1997 17:089
    DYKT the term "cool" comes from the concept of "Ori tutu" (sp) which is
    Yoruban for "cool head".
    
    Many were taken from the lands where the Yorubas flourished. The term
    came into its English usage among the jazz musicians of the early 20th
    century who were descendants of the Yorubas.
    
    Just think, where would the Internet Web pages be if the term "cool"
    didn't exist.
829.236NOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Tue Feb 11 1997 17:122
Sounds fishy to me.  What happened to the term between the time slaves
stopped speaking Yoruban and the early 20th century?
829.237PENUTS::DDESMAISONSperson BTue Feb 11 1997 17:184
  .236  It seems the language is also "Yoruba".


829.238SBUOA::GUILLERMOBut the world still goes round and roundTue Feb 11 1997 17:255
    re:.236
    >Sounds fishy to me.  What happened to the term between the time slaves
> stopped speaking Yoruban and the early 20th century?                  
    
    Nothing happened to it, despite all best efforts.
829.239BULEAN::BANKSOrthogonality is your friendWed Feb 12 1997 11:4764
Something to commemorate a recent trip of mine, (also by Robert Burns):

Address to a Haggis

Fair fa' your honest, sonsie face,
Great chieftain o' the puddin-race!
Aboon them a' ye tak your place,
Painch, tripe, or thairm:
Weel are ye wordy of a grace
As lang's my arm.

The groaning trencher there ye fill,
Your hurdies like a distant hill,
Your pin wad help to mend a mill
In time o' need,
While thro' your pores the dews distil
Like amber bead.

His knife see rustic Labour dight,
An' cut you up wi' ready sleight,
Trenching your gushing entrails bright
Like onie ditch;
And then, O what a glorious sight,
Warm-reekin, rich!

Then, horn for horn, they strech an' strive:
Deil tak the hindmost! on they drive,
Till a' their weel-swall'd kytes belyve,
Are bent like drums;
Then auld Guidman, maist like to rive,
'Bethanket! ' hums.

Is there that owre his French ragout
Or olio that wad staw a sow,
Or fricassee wad mak her spew
Wi' perfect sconner,
Looks down wi' sneering, scornfu' view
On sic a dinner?

Poor devil! see him owre his trash,
As feckless as a wither'd rash,
His spindle shank, a guid whip-lash,
His nieve a nit;
Thro' bluidy flood or field to dash,
O how unfit!

But mark the Rustic, haggis- fed,
The trembling earth resounds his tread.
Clap in his walie nieve a blade,
He'll make it whissle;
An' legs, an' arms, an' heads will sned,
Like taps o' thrissle.

Ye Pow'rs wha mak mankind your care,
And dish them out their bill o'fare,
Auld Scotland wants nae skinking ware
That jaups in luggies;
But, if ye wish her gratefu' prayer,
Gie her a Haggis!

http://www.galloway.co.uk/dg/burns/haggis.html

(Note:  The web page has hyperlinks all over it to the Scots-English
dictionary so us Anglonics speakers can find translations.)
829.240BUSY::SLABGot into a war with reality ...Mon Feb 17 1997 19:5210
    
    	RE: .232
    
    	Mr. Bill, I thought it was pretty obvious that .221 and .222 were
    	different ... and subsequently obvious that I knew they were dif-
    	ferent.
    
    	And the material I submit to SOAPBOX is never "cute", as you seem
    	to imply ... it's gut-wrenchingly hilarious, IMO.
    
829.241EH EH EH EH EH EH EH EH EH EH EH EH!!!!POLAR::MAHANEYMikey - Deliver us from evil!Tue Jun 03 1997 03:414
    Ahh, you'all a bunch of IDGITS!
    
    Huck
    
829.242DECXPS::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayTue Jun 03 1997 13:038


 Well, thanks for stopping by and blessing us with your obviously well thought
 out commentary.


 Jim
829.243Slim Jim don't like dah brim!POLAR::MAHANEYMikey - Deliver us from evil!Wed Jun 04 1997 03:593
    You are welcome Mr. Poopy Pants.
    
    
829.244SCASS1::BARBER_ACan Freakazoid come over?Wed Jun 04 1997 04:341
    Slap ma fro!
829.245BUSY::SLABAudiophiles do it 'til it hertz!Wed Jun 04 1997 04:465
    
    	You have a 'fro?
    
    	You really DID change your hairstyle, didn't you?
    
829.246limp insults make you limp, right?WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjWed Jun 04 1997 11:163
    >You are welcome Mr. Poopy Pants.
    
     A crushing blow. I'm sure Jim will be limping after this one.
829.247DECXPS::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayWed Jun 04 1997 12:533

<limping off to a meeting>
829.248Take that you four eyed freako!!!!!POLAR::MAHANEYMikey - Deliver us from evil!Thu Jun 05 1997 03:378
    Was he not limp already!
    
    
    High five girlfriend!
    
    
    
    God.
829.249POLAR::RICHARDSONMilk carton candidateThu Jun 05 1997 03:401
    Hey Mahaney, has the doctor been adjusting your meds lately?
829.250??POLAR::MAHANEYMikey - Deliver us from evil!Thu Jun 05 1997 10:083
    No, I just stopped taking them...
    
    God
829.251Lew NeituneWAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjThu Jun 05 1997 11:252
    I've got a former cube neighbor for you to meet. Mahaney meet Newton.
    Newton meet Mahaney.
829.252DASXPS::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayThu Jun 05 1997 11:413

'tis a terrible thing when cousins marry..
829.253BULEAN::BANKSAre you correct or happy?Thu Jun 05 1997 12:001
    That man needs an asterisk full of haldol, stat.
829.254POLAR::RICHARDSONMilk carton candidateThu Jun 05 1997 13:501
    wouldn't librium be better?
829.255BULEAN::BANKSAre you correct or happy?Thu Jun 05 1997 13:562
A rather astute, and somewhat likely differential diagnosis, but I'm still
sticking by the Haldol.
829.256I knew I learned something at University!POLAR::MAHANEYMikey - Deliver us from evil!Fri Jun 06 1997 04:2417
    Re. .252
    
    	stop talking about your family life. You can't blame me because your
    parents had children.
    
    Re. Drugs
    
    	Haldol (haloperidol) is the correct diagnosis. Librium is a great 
    hypnotic-sedative, while it would knock me out on my butt, it would
    also allow me to rise and continue with psychotic behaviour. Of
    course you can blame Richardson for steering me to this conference.
    Thanks man.
    
    Hercules
     
    
    
829.257BULEAN::BANKSAre you correct or happy?Fri Jun 06 1997 11:5512
    .256:

    Aw, my eyes are going!  Did he say LIBRIUM?  I thought he said LITHIUM. 
    Lithium is always something to try when antipsychotics don't seem to
    work and you've got a lot of positive symptoms.

    Yah, you're spot on.  'cept they don't call them hypnotic-sedatives
    anymore.  "Anxiolytic" is the currently accepted term.

    Although, if we could attribute your outbursts to minor siezures,
    Librium might still be appropriate as it has some anticonvulsant
    effects.
829.258POLAR::RICHARDSONMilk carton candidateFri Jun 06 1997 12:503
    |Although, if we could attribute your outbursts to minor siezures,

    this is why I prescribed librium. A good episodal management tool.
829.259DECXPS::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayFri Jun 06 1997 12:524

 
  run along and play now, Junior..