Conference back40::soapbox

    
    	floam

    lots.

    
    
    	An Absolut vodka martini, very dry, two olives(w/o the mint toothpick),
     ice back.
    
    

    
    <impressed look>
    

    what 713.3 said.
    
    
    shaken. not stirred.

    
    
    re: .5
    
    	<sly grin>

    
    Gin is better, tho 8^).  Tanqueray.
    

    
    
    	guinness stout for me thanks. :)

spam

    
    a raise

    a new job in New Hampshire. ;) One that requires little or no travel.
    

    
    Re: .11 Mark
    
    What's a "raise"?

| <<< Note 713.11 by ACISS1::BATTIS "Chicago Bulls-1996 world champs" >>>


| a raise


	Hmmmm

    re: .9
    
    There's a beer topic around here somewhere, isn't there?
    
    								-mr. bill

    >  There's a beer topic around here somewhere, isn't there
    
    that's a pretty stout topic, eh?

    Saaz who?

    
    There now, that's typical.  You just hop right on any pun string.
    

    With barley a second to spare...

    
    He just couldn't wheat.
    
    

    
    
    	If I'm ever in NYC mr. bill, maybe you can show me where they serve 
    some good guinness stout.
    
    
    jim 
                             

    
    well beer is the perfect cure for what ales you.

    > >  <<< Note 713.21 by SUBPAC::SADIN "Freedom isn't free." >>>
    
    > If I'm ever in NYC mr. bill, maybe you can show me where they serve
    > some good guinness stout.
    
    Well, call me presumptuous, but 'round these here parts, they usually
    serve guiness stout in a glass. at the bar.
    
    ?you been drinking some odd beer lately not to know this?

    I've run into more than a few places where you can get served a
    Guinness in a glass at a bar.
    
    A good pint of Guinness on the other hand is a bit rarer.
    
    								-mr. bill

    
    
    	>    A good pint of Guinness on the other hand is a bit rarer.
    
    	aye.
    
    

    Friday to get here.

    .4
    
    > An Absolut vodka martini
    
    Blech.  Make mine Tanqueray.  Vodka "Martinis" are for children who want
    to look grown-up while they get chite-faced without tasting the likker.

    
    8^o
    
    Ooh!
    

  .27  honing your pompous arse skills, i see. 

    No honing required, thankew.

    
    Now I want a martini.
    

    Follow me home after work.  I've got the best part of a 1.75-liter jug
    of Tanqueray and a full 750 of Noilly Prat.  But you'll have to settle
    for big olives, I don't use the wimpy ones.

   the big olives lack elegance, so mz_deb should have the small ones.

    And here I pictured Mz _Deb as a two-fisted Mart connoisseur.  Silly me.

    
    .33
    
    Beggars can't be choosers.
    
    

    
    I'll bring my own olives 8^).
    
    

  .34 This big olive craze is something new, is it not?  I don't remember
      seeing these atrocities used in martinis until fairly recently.
      But I suppose you'll say that Julius Caesar used big olives or
      something along those lines...
      
      Anyways, they are quite clunky, and Mz_Deb is not.

    
    .37
    
    snobbery will get you anywhere

    .38
    
    I know nothing of a big olive craze.  I just like bigger olives, so I
    buy the Pastene Queen variety instead of the Pastene "regular."

    oh god, here we go!
    
==========================================================================
              <<< Note 713.38 by PENUTS::DDESMAISONS "person B" >>>


  .34 This big olive craze is something new, is it not?  I don't remember
      seeing these atrocities used in martinis until fairly recently.
      But I suppose you'll say that Julius Caesar used big olives or
      something along those lines...
      
      Anyways, they are quite clunky, and Mz_Deb is not.

    ==========================================================================
    
    can I assume by circular logic that Mz_Deb has large olives?

    
    Nobody answer that 8^).
    

    
    re: .27
    
    >Blech.  Make mine Tanqueray.  Vodka "Martinis" are for children who want
    >to look grown-up while they get chite-faced without tasting the likker.
    
    
     Your tastes, as well as your mileage, may vary.
    
    I prefer the taste of vodka.... (Smirnoff Blue Label, 100 proof),
    although I do enjoy the taste of gin every once in awhile...
    

    
      Prefer gin.  And believe it or not, a pearl onion.
    
      bb

>         <<< Note 713.40 by SMURF::BINDER "Uva uvam vivendo variat" >>>
    
>    I know nothing of a big olive craze. 

   Well, there's one going on - take my word for it.  The "bigger is
   better" people are pushing 'em, no doubt.  No finesse.

    Prolly due to the extensive use of olive growth hormones by the
    farmers.

    Beware of the mad olive disease...

    you'll go all popeyed.

    
    or have a fetish for getting oyled

    
    
    Stoly ROOLZ!!!
    
    
    Mike
    

    
    	Yes, like Spam vs. real food.
    

    > <<< Note 713.53 by BUSY::SLABOUNTY "Forget the doctor - get me a nurse!" >>>
    
    > Yes, like Spam vs. real food.
    
    Howz about:
    Macaroni and cheese .vs. Spam.
    

    howzaboot macaroni & cheese with spam, cut up into little cubes and
    mixed in. Redneck heaven...

    Hey! HEY!  I LIKE macaroni and cheese.  I ain't sayin' nuthin' 'bout
    spam, tho.....

    > howzaboot macaroni & cheese with spam, cut up into little cubes and
    > mixed in. Redneck heaven..
    
    sign me up!

    it ai'nt bad, just toss some ketchup on it... 
    
    besides that will give you the four food groups:
    
    macaroni: grain
    cheese  : dairy (well, maybe...)
    spam    : meat (though that remains yet to be determined)
    ketchup : vegetable (according to a certain ex-prez)
    

    
    
    A jug of bread, a loaf of wine, and...

    ....and a nice football game.
    -ss

    >  <<< Note 713.60 by BSS::SMITH_S >>>
    
    > ....and a nice football game.
    
    yeah; I can see it now, 
    
    wine, bread, mz_deb, the couch, and:
    
    ...{roar of crowd}
    
    	it's illegal forward motion!
    
    	loss of of down, the play moves to the opposite end of the couch!
    
    	the ball is hiked! it's a lateral!
    
    	it's a LOOOOOONNNNGGGGGG hail Mary pass!
    
    	it's slapped down! 
    
    	there's a loss of yardage on the play; the chain gang comes out
    	to measure...
    
    	it's short... by just inches!
    
    	it's fourth and here comes the taxi squad!
    
    	the ball(s) are snapped! the armchair quarterback takes
    	the snap, he turns, and..
    
    	the pass is stopped short of the goal!	
    
    	there's a pause in the play; a timeout has been called.
    
    	the quarter ends; score: armchair quarterback: 0  mz_deb: lots.	
    

    
    Bobbo...!
    
    

    >A jug of bread, a loaf of wine, and...
    
     Du pain, du vin, du Boursin.

    
    du be du be du.
    

	du du du de da.

    
    da du du du
    da da da da
    

    You like the Police?

    
    that's all i want to say to you
    

    
    	RE: .68
    
    	Must be the handcuffs.
    

    No, ees the beeg night steek.

    <-  Stimpy, right?

    >  No, ees the beeg night steek.
    
    gotta get my eyes checked. I thought that said "beeg night STEAK";
    and I thought "my, what an interesting pet name for 'it'"....

    
    	A steak is a hunk of meat, isn't it?
    

    > A steak is a hunk of meat, isn't it?
    
    Unless it's a piece o' pork.

    
    	Oh, so pork isn't meat.
    
    	Now I understand.
    

    well, there's always "meaty pork".
    
    I'm sure the wits amongst us can find some song lyrics to fit this..

    How come I got chastised for saying something about trailer park
    residents in another note, but somebody can say that
    mac-n-cheese-n-spam is "redneck heaven". This is the stereotype that
    rednecks are not gourmets, or vegetarian. Smells like a double standard
    to me.
    
    
    lunchbox

    welcome to soapbox!
    
    

    You forgot to add "...but I'm not bitter." to that reply.  Maybe the
    delivery had something to do with it?  Maybe there was no judgement
    being passed with the mac-n-cheese quip?    

    It's a Jeff Foxworthy thing, ya know....

It's obvious: the 'box is littered with trailer park residents and no
rednecks.

Pete

    The modern politikally korrekt term for "trailers" these days 
    is either "mobile homes" or "modular homes" depending on the 
    dealer/seller. Not to be confused with the "units" hauled
    behind the fambly car or pick-um-up.
    
    

    
    	"Modular homes"????
    
    	Give me a break.
    

A modular home has nothing to do with "trailers" or mobile homes.  They
are standard houses brought to the site in pieces, and are usually
indistinguishable from normal carpenter-built houses once done.

    
    <----  yeahbut, instructions are extra.

    > A modular home has nothing to do with "trailers" or mobile homes
    
    you forgot one minor point. modular homes disappear just as quickly
    when God sends a tornado to eradicate trailers/mobile homes/modular
    homes from the planet.
    
    stick homes last a couple more minutes when the 'nado blows past..

    yabbut, the RE (real estate for those in Rio Linda) Agents like to 
    call"trailers" modular (as well as mobile) homes. Salescrap, ya know...
    
    

>    yabbut, the RE (real estate for those in Rio Linda) Agents like to 

I didn't know what RE stood for, I also have no idea who / what Rio Linda 
is...

Chris.

    
    re: .78
    
    >How come I got chastised 
    
    >Smells like a double standard to me.
    
    Smells like ignorance to me, Lunchie...
    
    Can you say.... NEXT UNSEEN???
    
    I knew you could!!
    

Hmm, I suppose a doublewide trailer would technically be a "modular home".
But true modular homes are very nice, and are usually stick-built.  They
shouldn't be any more prone to tornadoes than standard stick-built houses.

    .91
    
    > But true modular homes are very nice...
    
    Matter of opinion.  I've investigated them - once, even, with an eye
    toward purchase - and found them not at all nice.  They look pretty,
    but behind that nice paint and sheetrock are thin walls and, all too
    often, formed-up sheet steel studs stuck together with self-drilling
    screws.  I once lived in a steel-stud house.  Never again.
    
    > shouldn't be any more prone to tornadoes...
    
    Nobody has ever built a house that can stand up to a direct hit by a
    tornado.  The best houses, modular or otherwise, can stand a force-5
    hurricane, but tornadoes generate winds far faster than that.  And a
    tornado's intense low pressure causes houses to explode, it does not
    blow them down the way a hurricane does.

re .92:

I'm sure it's like everything else, there are good products and there are
bad ones.  You can get crummy houses built by a local contractor as well.

BTW, what do steel studs do for a house?  No noise supression?

>    > shouldn't be any more prone to tornadoes...
    
>    Nobody has ever built a house that can stand up to a direct hit by a
>    tornado.

Wasn't talking about direct hits.  I've seen enough pictures of midwestern
toothpickvilles to know that.  A close brush does generate forces that should
be survivable by a well-built house.  Everyone jokes how trailer parks seem
to attract tornadoes but what really happens in most cases are near misses
that generate enough force to damage this type of home but not nearby standard
construction.

    .93
    
    > BTW, what do steel studs do for a house?  No noise supression?
    
    That, among other things.
    
    Ever try to drive a nail through a piece of sheet metal that would flex
    out of the way every time you whacked the hammer?  Makes it a real
    pleasure to hang pictures.  Much more fun than just whacking a nail
    through the sheetrock into a nice wooden stud.
    
    Ever try to drill a hole slantwise on a metal surface where you
    couldn't get in to make a prick punch mark for a center?  Makes it a
    real pleasure to add junction boxes.  Much more fun than toenailing a
    couple of 8-penny nails into a nice wooden stud.
    
    Ever wish you could mount a safe into the wall and not have it be live
    electrically if there's a grounding failure?  Barrel of laughs, every
    time you touch it you get a little buzz.
    
    Ever lived on a floodplain - on a slab, no basement - and had your
    walls start seeping rusty water after a particularly wet monsoon
    season?  Painting with stainkill and fresh paint is loads more fun than
    sitting back and sucking on a cold brewski while you watch the Sox lose
    another one.

    Ever seen a naked man before?

    
    No.  Are you offering?
    
    

    NO...It's...
    
    Have you ever been in a cockpit before Tommy?   Noooo sir....
    
    Oooh....have you ever seen a grown man naked?

    
    Shush, Jack, I'm still waiting for Glenn's reply.
    
    

| <<< Note 713.95 by POLAR::RICHARDSON "Nooo, spank you!" >>>

| Ever seen a naked man before?

	Yes!

snarf!

    > Ever seen a naked man before?
    
    No. What does one look like?

| <<< Note 713.101 by BSS::PROCTOR_R "Fozil's 3; Chooch makes 4!" >>>

| > Ever seen a naked man before?

| No. What does one look like?

	Basically, a head, a neck, a chest, a stomach, a penis, a butt, legs,
and feet. Now many of these areas are different sizes, depending on the person.


Glen

    A winning Powerball ticket! YEZ!

    Edit Undo in Notes... 

    
    	What would that do?
    

    Undo an edit, I guess.

    
    	Crystal clear now.  Thanks, Glenn.
    

    :-)  In the Christian notes conference, I wanted to move a whole string
    of notes to another note.  I failed to do the "set mod" command.  After
    I selected and moved the notes, only my responses went in the new note. 
    oops, what a mess. :-)

    
    	Oh, so you want a "Last Command Undo" and not an "Edit Undo".
    	I know what you mean, and yes, that quirk has bit me in the
    	past at least once.
    
    	But I fixed it ... set up a dummy note, went back to the or-
    	iginal note and jotted down the locations of my entries that
    	were now in the new location, typed SET MOD 8^) and moved a
    	section at a time, interweaving all of my own entries where
    	applicable.
    
    	Be warned that this might take awhile if:
    
    	1)  It was a note with ALOT of replies and/or ALOT of replies
    	    belonging to you.
    
    	2)  It's not extremely easy to figure out where yours were
    	    before you screwed up.  8^)
    

    
    	Bit me in the past?
    
    	Eesh.
    

    Wooo, must be for the senior level noters.  I just figured out set seen
    not too long ago. What the @&$% are you guys talking about?
    
    Shawn, I like that p-n.  I watch those Duke boys about every day.
    -ss

    It doesn't apply to us lowly noters...only to moderators. 

	April, I've seen your picture. Nothing lowly about you!

    Undo to others as they would undo you.  Works for me, some of the time.

    
    	I wish I had a convertible !
    
    

    i took a ride in a miata yesterday.  top down.
    it was so much fun, i almost had a heart attack.

    
    Karen:  Just have Mark come over with his chainsaw.  You'll have a
    convertible in no time at all.
    
    

    
    	There's an idea!  I was thinking, "It'd be great to have
    	a convertible, but I need the extra space in my station
    	wagon."
    
    	Mark, do you have any plans this weekend ?
    
    

    > 713.115 by CNTROL::JENNISON
    
    > I wish I had a convertible !
    
    A convertible WHAT?
    

              eh?
	      /
	  oO)-.
	 /__  _\       
	 \  \(  |      
	  \__|\ {                                             
	  '  '--'   
    

    
          __  _
	 \  \(  |      
	  \__|\ {                                             
	  '  '--'
    
    Convertible Frog.
    
    

    .-1
    The Convertible Frog looks like it took a 30MPH corner at about 50, and
    nailed a tree.

              
	      
	  
	  __  _          ow.
	 \  \(  |       /
	  \__|\ {    oO)-.                                         
	  '  '--'   /__  _\
    
    

    re .-1
    
    Now it looks like his buddy got whacked at the knees!
    
    Are you trying for a "Little Chamber of Froggie Horrors" here?

    Somebody to chat to....

Are you pining?


\C

    Are you lone____ly to-night?
    
    
    
    
    
    joan

    I'm pining for the fjords.

    Oh, you want to go Newfieland?
    
    
    joan
    

        No, Norway. I'm a Norwegian Blue. Beautiful plumage.

    Your a Booby, (gasp)
    
    

    (^) ?

    OK glenn,
    
    
    What am I missing?
    
    Why are you homesick for Norway?
    
    Apart, than the fact that you have nice feathers.
    
    
    
    Tell gandm......Uhm Auntie Joan all about it
    
    

    I could have been a slug but then I wouldn't be talking very much.

    How do you know?
    
    Have you ever stopped to listen and find out if slugs talk?
    
    Who knows what words of wisdom you might here.

    Do I have to be there?
    
    Anyway, if slugs talked, it would probably be just a mushy gushy
    conversation.

If you really *had* to be there, someone would have nailed your feet to your 
perch.

\C

    I prefer keeping on my back. Beautiful plumage.

How goes the daisy-pushing?

\C

    Haven't done that yet, I'm tired and shagged out after a long squawk.

         Talk about lonely - I'm my own lead and crew right now. I've been
    sent to a remote area and I haven't even seen another person since
    lunch. 

re .-1
Well, if you insist on having people for lunch it's no wonder you're lonely.

re .-2
you mean you've joined the choir wotsit?


\C

         Now I wish this crazy game would end... triple overtime, still no
    score. 

    
    a rerun of last night.

    
    Quit babbling about that woman...lecher.
    
    ;^)

    Battis, if I were you I'd be wishing me pekker don't turn green and
    fall off sometime in the near future.  :^)

    Not to worry. He remembered the rubber glove.

    
    <------  it constantly amazes me of how crude you can be, when you're
    obviously more intelligent than most.

    You just don't like being on the receiving end. :-)

  .150  kinda baffling, ain't it? ;>

    Battis, he just wants to trade places is all.

    
    crab legs with drawn butter. listening, andy?

 I really wish I'd invented the machine I read about recently, which will soon
 be in many grocery stores..you can walk up to it with a whole mess o' change,
 dump it in the machine and it will sort it out and spit out a leetle piece of
 paper which you redeem at the checkout stand (minus 7% for processing) for cash
 or towards your grocery bill.





 Jim

    re: .155
    
    7% ummm, I don't think they will get much use.  Most credit unions (not
    banks) will do the same for you for free.
    
    Bob

    When did credit unions and banks start selling groceries? You
    Americans! Always trying new things! 

    
>    7% ummm, I don't think they will get much use.  Most credit unions (not
>    banks) will do the same for you for free.
    
   
     I agree that 7% is a bit steep.  Are you saying that if I wandered into
     my local DCU branch (right downstairs) with a bucket full of coins they
     would count 'em up and roll 'em?



 Jim

    
    not necessarily the dcu, but some banks and credit unions do offer the
    service for free or less than the 7% the grocery store is taking...
    
    

7% is quite impressive.

It's at times like this that I'm sorry that I don't have a very good
imagination for cooking up such revenue generating schemes.

| <<< Note 713.157 by POLAR::RICHARDSON "Here we are now, in containers" >>>

| When did credit unions and banks start selling groceries? You
| Americans! Always trying new things!

	Too funny!

| <<< Note 713.158 by CSLALL::HENDERSON "Every knee shall bow" >>>


| I agree that 7% is a bit steep.  Are you saying that if I wandered into
| my local DCU branch (right downstairs) with a bucket full of coins they
| would count 'em up and roll 'em?

	Jim, have Bob make that one of his campaign issues! :-)

It's actually 7.5%, at least at Stah Mahket, at least according to the Boston
Globe.

    What?  Am I missing something here?  Aren't these coins "legal tender"?
    If I want to pay my grocery bill in quarters, doesn't the store have
    to accept it?  I can't believe that people would pay 7%+ to have their
    change converted into bills or some other kind of redeemable paper.
    
    Wait, yes I can believe it... it's the 90's, after all.
    
    Chris

    DCU will not sort and count coins or at least they wouldn't for me.  I
    asked and was told, "gotta be rolled".  At least they did not require I
    put name and address on them.   I did stamp my account number on the
    wrappers though.  
    
    Brian

    It's a natural outgrowth of the reduced service banking running
    rampant. Ever try to get change counted for you at the bank? Talk about
    lazy- they've got a change machine sitting in the corner, but they only
    allow you to get your change counted at certain times during certain
    days of the week (statistically calculated to be most inconvenient over
    their customer base) and only if the one employee who's been trained to
    operate the machine is in (it's a highly complex matter involving
    turning on a power switch and pouring the coins into a hopper). And you
    get the evil eye and a pouting face the whole time. Unless you're a
    business customer.

 I thought it was a neat idea.  I've got a bunch o' change at home, I don't
 really have the time to roll it, I don't have a local bank (other than
 DCU) to which I can take the coins, and I don't care to spend $30 to buy
 one of those battery powered coin sorter/rollers.



 Jim

    I spent $4.95 for the plastic tube jobbies that allow you to manually
    count them but far quicker.  I also saw them for less at Wal-Mart(s). 
    Even with the convenience of a coin counter aid, I only roll them once
    a year.  It takes a small hand truck to get them to the CU for deposit.  
    
    Brian

    It's a neat idea, turned into a revenue generating scheme.
    
    'scuse me for turning Trekkie dweeb for a moment here, but it's
    starting to look suspiciously like the Ferengi homeworld around here.

    
    >>.167
    
    yo, jimbo, just invite me over and, for a non-money fee, i'll roll your
    change..
    
    
    :>
    
    

 er, eh..ahem, well...

    I think another element to this is that the government is expressing a
    concern regarding individuals hording pennies.  Seems like everybody in
    the country has a jar full of pennies in their home.  This would
    encourage people to cash in those pennies!
    
    -Jack

I spent all of a buck for a little plastic stacker - has a column for
each of the four common denominations of coin. When the column is full,
it's enough for a roll. I sort my pocket change into it daily and roll
it as I need to. Takes about 30 seconds.

 re .168


 Yeah, I got those gizmos as well.

    Jimbo,
    
    And you guys say California is the first for everything.  No grocery
    stores here doing it.
    

    
    I take my change into my bank every 3 months or so. No fee, and when
    all is said and done, I'm $200+ richer.

    
    
    My bank does it for nothing, if you're a bank customer (read, have an
    account with them). Otherwise they charge you.
    
    Turned in my mad-money change what we've been saving for the Cape this
    week and now have $383.00 to spend... Maybe I'll shoot an extra roll of
    film whilst in P-Town...
    

I never have more than 3-5 $1 coins, 3-6 quarters, 5-10 dimes, 4-6 nickels,
and/or 4-6 pennies in my loose change at a time.

Manage your cash flow, and you'll never need one of these silly things,
unless you're running some sort of business that involves making change.

/john

>unless you're running some sort of business that involves making change.

Sorta like good ol' D.E.C.?

 I have enough to deal with without worrying about setting coin carrying
 guidelines.  I gets home at night and dump the stuff in a jar..I fish out
 the quarters to use in the laundry room at the apt, and occasionally for
 use at buying newspapers in the morning.


 Jim

    
    	John, on the other hand, is probably 1 of those people who hold
    	up the cafeteria line, saying, "Wait ... I KNOW I have the 7
    	cents!!".
    

7 cents:

smell, taste, sound, feel, sight, lincoln, indian head

    
    	My husband's change jar supplied a family of four (ours!)
    	with ice cream for dinner Sunday night.
    
    	I'll never speak ill of saved up change again!
    

    
    	I bought most of a car stereo system the 1st time I cashed in
    	my rolled coins ... $650 or so.
    

    
>    	I bought most of a car stereo system the 1st time I cashed in
>    	my rolled coins ... $650 or so.
 

        When did you get the rest of it?   

    
    	I already had the rest of it, wise guy.  The $650 was used to
    	buy a few additional components to add to the existing comp-
    	onents.
    
    	8^)
    

| <<< Note 713.170 by GAVEL::JANDROW "i think, therefore i have a headache" >>>


| yo, jimbo, just invite me over and, for a non-money fee, i'll roll your
| change..

	You'll roll his change, he'll cook your corn, WOW! What's going on in
this place!!!??? :-)

| yo, jimbo, just invite me over and, for a non-money fee, i'll roll your
  ^^^^^^^^^
He some kinda bodyguard or sumpthin?

    
    .186
    
    Shawn put the last roll in his pocket.
    
    

    
    	Unfortunately, it was only a dime roll and even more more unfort-
    	unately it was only 1/2 full.
    

    re: .158
    
    I don't know about DCU, but my local credit union will.  They even
    offered to take them in the cookie jar I had been saving them in.
    
    Bob

    re: .173
    
    Marina says, "Sounds like something you'd do."
    
    Bob

    re: .162
    
    :-)  FREE CHANGE COUNTING FOR EVERYONE:-)
    
    Bob

	Cool... I'll expect that as your first duty once you are elected onto
the board. That and the money laudering scheme!

Support for a "killfile" feature in Notes.

> Support for a "killfile" feature in Notes.
    
    Yes, I've often wished for that myself.  But then, I figured that:
    
    1.  There wouldn't be much left to read after I populated it.
    2.  I already pretty much do a "manual killfile" by being real fast
        on the KP3 upon seeing certain names in the header.
    3.  If I told someone in here that I was adding their name to my
        "killfile", they would misunderstand the term, and then the next
        person I'd see would be a cop and/or a Digital manager.
    
    Chris

I was thinking more about topics, myself. Net speeds can get sluggish out
here ...

    
    	Bruce, you've never heard of PAN, 1 feature of which will allow
    	you to set a topic "SEEN forever"?
    
    	Andy Leslie might be able to tell you a bit more about PAN.
    

Yes, I would like to SNARF PAN.

    
    	Oh, that was clever.  8^)
    

good weather at Mt. Washington this Saturday.

the bicycle hillclimb has been canceled the last two years.

    
    I want it to be summer and I want to be at an outdoor party with a
    band and a keg and dancing on the grass.
    

    
    	I want a Jim Dandy ice cream sundae.
    

    
    Go, Jim Dandy.
    

    pickles with that, karen?

	Karen... I want one too.... does that mean I'm.......

    
    	Yes.  As a 3-dollar bill.
    

    as a chicken with lips

        as a whistling fish

	Actually, oph, pickles sound good, too, but it's
	either or, not both.

	

    Another day off like yesterday would be good. I haven't been bowling
    with the kids for years.

    
    I wish I worked at ZKO.
    

  .306  why - lots of tall jerks there?

| <<< Note 713.306 by POWDML::HANGGELI "Let's Play Chocolate" >>>


| I wish I worked at ZKO.

	Buy a Mac, you will then work for ZKO.

    Well, there's plenty of tall jerks here.

    
    I wish I worked at KAO.
    
    

re .307:

Yup, that's where I work.

  .311  no fair - you only half qualify.

    I thought he was tall. he's not tall?

re .312:

Yeah, since when is 6'3"+ no longer considered tall?

    Okay, let's settle this.  How may boxwymyn prefer tall men to short men
    (in general)?  Be honest (bet it's a pretty good %).  And how many will 
    only date tall men (I'm willing to bet that the % drops drastically
    from the first number)?  

    Define short man.
    
    Are we talking relative terms here?  
    
    meg

    less than 5'10" = short for a man

    <--- yup, or more precisely, under the national height average for men
    in the US.

    .316
    
    /Are we talking relative terms here?
    
    i guess not.

    mark,
    
    If I was 5' tall, 5'10" would probably make for a sore neck on one or
    both partners parts, IMO.  That's why I asked.  I prefer men my height
    or a bit taller, but not so tall I have to stretch to give a kiss on
    the cheek.  Being 5'7" means I prefer 5'7-~6'1", the height of my life
    partner.  YMMV.
    
    meg

    steve leech, you'd have no problem whatsoever dating
    a woman who was say, eight inches taller than you?

    how tall is mr. leech?

    i dunno, but our theoretical woman is eight
    inches taller than him.

| <<< Note 713.316 by CSC32::M_EVANS "be the village" >>>

| Are we talking relative terms here?

	No, that would be incest, not height.

    I might have a problem dating a woman that was 6'10". Let me try it for
    a few years and I'll report back...

    shallow!

    I'm 5'3".  Most of the men I have dated have been
    5'6"-5'10", now that I think about it.  My SO is 5'6".    
    Height is right about the bottom of my list of what to
    look for in a partner.
    

    oph, in that case, i think i'm theoretical :-)))
    

    What about length?

    filthy!
    
    madman moroney has a good point; i've met and enjoyed the company of
    a few men who were quite shorter than i.  if the man in confident in
    who he is, there should be no problem.  there have been short men with
    whom i've felt uncomfortable; in that i've sensed he was uncomfy, thus
    i was too.  if it was the height issue or not, i don't know for sure,
    but i've always attributed it to the napoleon complex.  shallow wench
    that i am, of course.

    Mary Micael!
    
    don't tell me you are looking for those minor things like personality,
    intelligence, empathy, instead of height!  think of all the men out
    there you could be disappointing.
    
    ;-)
    
    meg

   i don't care how uneducated, insensitive, stingy, and humorless
   a man is, as long as he can reach things on the top shelf.

   no, wait - that's not right.

    
    I prefer a man who is taller than me, but frankly, that's anything 5'3"
    or over.
    
    I don't know about "most women", but what *I* want is someone who pays
    attention to *me* and acts like he wants to be with *me* and doesn't
    spend every moment looking around for someone better, taller, thinner,
    blonder, smaller nose, younger, etc.  I don't think it's asking a lot.  I 
    could give a flying fornication at a rolling donut about his height or 
    hair or sculpted features or giant winkie.
    
    

re FF at an RD:

_That_ would be a good trick for the little lady to accomplish.

/john

    Don't mince words. What do you _really_ think?

    
    8^)
    
    I think I'm a generous and loving person who deserved to be generously
    loved back 8^).
    

    I'll buy that.

    
    
    	Well let's see, I'm 5'6" and my honey is 5'5".  Yes, 90% of
    	the men I've dated have been taller than me.  But it didn't
    	really matter.  Shane won me over with his sense of humor
    	and kind generosity.  Though I do like to tease him from time
    	to time and ask him if he's shrinking.  =)
    
    

        Please, we don't want to hear about your bedroom antics.

re .337

Nice little comments like that are how you get it for free.

/john

    shrinkage is a whole other problem.

    
    Well, since we're focusing so sharply on how shallow women are because
    they prefer tall men, let's turn the question around and ask what it is
    about a woman that men find makes her "datable" or not.
    

    
    
    	Eesh!  Not that kind of shrinking!  Shrinking, as in, is
    	he getting shorter in height!
    
    	{blush}
    

    Yes, exactly.

    .343
    
    oh!  sorry!

    What makes a woman datable? Horny is a plus.

Carbon-14.

    
    Of course, if his hair is the colour of wheat in the sun, and his eyes
    are bluer than cornflowers, I consider myself lucky.
    

Datable?  Obviously "available" (not married/engaged).  Not "hung up" over
a recent boyfriend or a breakup.  Apparently compatible personality.

Looks/height etc. aren't really that important, although I do admit to getting
rather cramped from walking with a woman I dated who was 5'1".

    .321
    
    Too vague of a question... depends on the woman.

    .350
    
    well, steve, it was a hell of a lot more precise
    than the ones you posed in .315.

    
    Oh, That's Different.
    

    .351
    
    Okay, okay, in all fairness, I would find such an arrangement awkward. 
    However, if she interests me, I would be willing to give it the old
    college try.  8^)  (dating, people, dating)
    
    To be honest, most of the women I have dated have been taller than
    me... though certainly not 8 inches taller. 
    
    I'll admit that there is something drawing about a short woman,
    especially a short and shapely woman.  8^)

    
    Pencil or paint?
    

    /Okay, okay, in all fairness, I would find such an arrangement awkward. 
    
    well then, you can surely relate to a woman who would find
    it "awkward" dating a man considerably shorter than she is.

| <<< Note 713.337 by WAHOO::LEVESQUE "Spott Itj" >>>

| I'll buy that.

	u can't buy Mz Deb! 

| <<< Note 713.353 by ACISS2::LEECH "Terminal Philosophy" >>>

| However, if she interests me, I would be willing to give it the old
| college try.  8^)  (dating, people, dating)

	Phew... I thought the old college try would have been to get drunk and
puke.

    .355
    
    The question is preference in dating, not proportion.  Certainly, I can
    see the awkwardness going both ways, but that is beside the question. 

    .358
    
    yeah, steve, whatever.

    Oh, so you AGREE with me then, eh?  Good.

    .360
    
    no, i'm just bored with your wiggling.
    your preferences.  your proportions.

    .340 "Nice little comments like that are how you get it for free."
    
    lessee, innuendo-wise, how far up the scale is that?  Would
    *anyone* find a comment such as "gag" or "puke" or "vomit"
    appropriate?  No?  
    
    Fancy that.
    
    DougO

    
    	That was a more subtle [subtler?] innuendo than those usually
    	commented on by John.
    

   .363  yeah, graphic imagery not included.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't hear anyone saying that such
    comments would be appropriate.  I also don't think anyone means that
    the comments would be appropriate if the imagery were less subtle.
    Or do you?
    
    DougO

    
    	Are you referring to gag/vomit/puke, or the preceding comments
    	that led to same?
    
    	Subtlety is the main issue here, IMO.  You can be very amusing
    	without resorting to "vulgar" anatomical references if you try.
    	But if you can't, let it go and try again later.
    

  .365  sorry, but i don't understand your questions.  at all.

  There's only one question.  I THINK it's a yes, but it's worded very
 funny, so might be a no.  Or maybe there aren't any questions in it.

  bb

Go pound sand, DougO.
Go find your own innuendo, DougO.
The subject was "loving and being loved back," DougO.

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Can't buy me love
Can't buy me love
Can't buy me love

I'll buy you a diamond ring my friend 
If it makes you feel alright
I'll get you anything you want my friend 
If it makes you feel alright
Cause I don't care too much for money
Money can't buy me love

I'll give you all I got to give 
If you say you love me too
I may not have a lot to give 
But what I got I'll give to you
I don't care too much for money
Money can't buy me love

Can't buy me love, everybody tells me so
Can't buy me love, no no no, no

Say you don't need no diamond ring 
And I'll be satisfied
Tell me that you want the kind of things 
That money just can't buy
I don't care too much for money
Money can't buy me love

Can't buy me love, everybody tells me so
Can't buy me love, no no no, no

Say you don't need no diamond ring 
And I'll be satisfied
Tell me that you want the kind of things 
That money just can't buy

I don't care too much for money
Money can't buy me love

Can't buy me love
Can't buy me love
Can't buy me love

    .361
    
    <scratches head, shrugs shoulders>
    
    The box is kinda grumpy today...

    sorry- I wasn't clear enough with my antecedents.
    
    I was trying to say, I didn't hear anyone argue that such comments as
    "gag" etc would be appropriate rejoinders to John's innuendo.  Further,
    it seemed originally that the degree of subtlety of the innuendo was
    not the reason that such comments would be inappropriate.  But I wanted
    to ask if that latter perception was correct.  Let me ask it more
    directly: if John's innuendo did have graphic imagery, or were in some
    other way more crude, would it *then* be appropriate to comment "vomit"?
    
    I'd rather not assume the answer before proceeding.
    
    DougO

  .371

> if John's innuendo did have graphic imagery, or were in some
> other way more crude, would it *then* be appropriate to comment "vomit"?

	er, "appropriate"?  i dunno.  i guess it would depend on whether
	it made you ill to read it.  

    - Go pound sand, DougO.
    - Go find your own innuendo, DougO.
    - The subject was "loving and being loved back," DougO.
    
    ha!
    
    Telling Mark Levesque that 'nice comments' such as his were apt to help
    him to 'get it for free' when his 'nice comment' was "I'd buy that"...
    Mark's comment was about Deb's about loving and being loved back.  Yours 
    was about the price thereof.  Go pound your own, John.
    
    DougO

    - er, "appropriate"?  i dunno.  i guess it would depend on whether
    - it made you ill to read it.
    
    I see.  You can find a scenario such that it is appropriate to offer
    comment such as "vomit".
    
    Somehow, I cannot.
    
    DougO

   .374  Earth to DougO.  We're in Soapbox here, DougO.
	 You're just too refined, maybe.

>Yours was about the price thereof.

No, my comment was that nice comments will get you love without having to
buy it.

Here's your sand bucket back, TYVM.

/john

| <<< Note 713.373 by SX4GTO::OLSON "DBTC Palo Alto" >>>

| Go pound your own, John.

	The thought of that sends shivers down me spine...

  it's tempting to invoke mb2lon...going back to .333, we see that
 miz_deb was a bit coarse...hovering near the retch threshhold...as
 to covert, it isn't clear how "inadvertant" the inuendo of "getting it"
 was...

  if the reference was to the general panning of glen's style, then yes,
 in my case...it's the lack of subtlety that bothers me...this just isn't
 a teenage forum...hardly any of us have been to the beavis & butthead
 movie

  for example, I might well burst out laughing at one of those Monty Python
 sketches with the manic switch to drag, "He's a lumberjack and he's OK..."
 the mere fact of gay jokes doesn't make a reply tasteless...nor would a
 gross sex joke be wonderfully appropriate if it were straight

  suppose we start telling outhouse jokes ?  would you give the genre a
 thumbs up or down, dougO ?  we're supposed to be adults, after all...

  bb

    .370
    
    <scratches head, shrugs shoulders>
    
    possibly, steve.  but i entered .361 _yesterday_.

    browk, if I thought John's 'vomit' comments were about Glen's admitted
    lack of cleverness I wouldn't have brought it up.  They're about something 
    else entirely.
    
    DougO

    - Earth to DougO.  We're in Soapbox here, DougO.
    - You're just too refined, maybe.
    
    perhaps.
    
    DougO

    Stay doug, Stay.
    
    Need you out there to keep us all honest.
    
    Pound sand?  How totally crude, I would suggest ground crystal instead.

    .379
    
    Oh, well that does change things.  I did notice a few grumpy notes
    today, though, while perusing through the box.  8^)

    >Yours was about the price thereof.
    
    - No, my comment was that nice comments will get you love without having
    - to buy it.
    
    thank you for proving the point, though you betray a striking disregard
    for the commonly accepted meaning of "no".
    
    DougO

    .383
    
    yeah, steve, whatever. ;-)

    
    I was coarse?  How so?
    

>             <<< Note 713.382 by CSC32::M_EVANS "be the village" >>>
    
>    Need you out there to keep us all honest.

    He does nothing to keep _me_ honest, I don't know about you.

    DougO, what is your point?  We all know how John feels about 
    homosexuality.  So what?  Glen's notes often make me have the
    same reaction because of their crude imagery.  I just don't have
    the nerve to really express the feeling of repulsion I get when I think
    of homosexual acts (between males or females).  I have nothing
    against homosexuals, but I don't like having to envision them
    in the act.

Something about airborne sexual relations with a fried dainty.

    
    Ah 8^).
    
    Sorry 8^I.
    

    Di, you don't have the nerve to express the feeling of repulsion you
    get from some of Glen's comments.  Perhaps you, too, are too refined
    for this place.  John certainly expresses his feelings of repulsion
    loudly, boorishly, and often.  Why cannot we fight such incivility?
    I find your behavior unobjectionable.  I find some objections to Glen's
    behavior unobjectionable.  John's, however, are more rudely expressed
    than I beleieve any of us should have to stand for.  That's the point.
    
    DougO

   .390  I am definitely _not_ too refined for this place.
	 John is being more honest than I am.
	 Personally, I don't find John's reaction any more boorish
	 or objectionable than Glen's crude comments.  

That's a mighty high horse you've got there, Mr. DougO.

/john

no wonder my fingers were ringing... all this cyber talk about me!

  Well, you need a high horse to wage one man's Crusade Against Soapbox
 Incivility.  My bet's on the dragon...

  bb

    >John's, however, are more rudely expressed than I beleieve any of us
    >should have to stand for.  
    
     By the same token, Glen's self-expression is frequently cruder than
    what people "should have to stand for" as well. Is John frequently
    incivil? Absolutely. Does Glen intentionally behave in such a way as to
    engender such responses? You betcha. Glen is clearly not concerned with
    civility, otherwise he'd be a little less crude when his vulgarity
    draws objection from the population at large. Instead he seems to get
    some sort of cheap thrill from the revulsion people feel from his
    frequently graphic descriptions of his sex life. Now I'm not going to
    pretend that the fact that the sex in question is homosexual in nature
    doesn't factor into John's objections. But I will say this- John has
    been very consistent about decrying anal sex regardless of the
    orientations of the participants.

  .395  you said it, kiddo.

    
    	amen.
    
    

    
    well written doctah!!!
    
    debra, the man that winds up with you, undoubtedly will be blessed with
    the gem of gems.

    
    Why, how kind of you!
    

    What's this? Evidence of the law of conservation of 'box karma?

    See? I knew there was something wrong.

    
    	I thought I stumbled into ::FRIENDS
    
    

    >> John's, however, are more rudely expressed than I beleieve any of 
    >> us should have to stand for.  
    >
    > By the same token, Glen's self-expression is frequently cruder than
    > what people "should have to stand for" as well. Is John frequently
    > incivil? Absolutely. Does Glen intentionally behave in such a way as
    > to engender such responses? You betcha.
    
    I'm not defending Glen's boorishness, he seems crude at times to me,
    too.
    
    > Glen is clearly not concerned with civility, otherwise he'd be a
    > little less crude when his vulgarity draws objection from the
    > population at large.
    
    Agreed.  However, I find that there are civil ways to object to him.
    
    > Now I'm not going to pretend that the fact that the sex in question
    > is homosexual in nature doesn't factor into John's objections. But I
    > will say this- John has been very consistent about decrying anal sex
    > regardless of the orientations of the participants.
    
    Let's be a little more specific.  We aren't discussing sex in the box. 
    We're discussing innuendos.  I really don't *care* what floats John's
    boat, or what sinks it.  If he's homophobic, whether induced
    religiously or psychologically, is immaterial.  What is material to my
    complaint is his childish, boorish, incivility when his anal button is
    pushed.  I don't care if he's a bigot.  I care that he keep his bigotry
    under wraps.
    
    DougO

   I'd say he's more of a religious zealot than a bigot, actually.
   But that's just my observation.

| <<< Note 713.395 by WAHOO::LEVESQUE "Spott Itj" >>>

	I knew you would put something in here eventually. :-)


| Absolutely. Does Glen intentionally behave in such a way as to engender such 
| responses? You betcha. 

	Doc, believe it or not (and I'm sure you won't), covert doesn't even
come to mind most of the time when I respond with something crude. Hell, that
would mean that Covert is part of my entire life. I'm crude. I realize that.
But MOST of the time, getting a reaction out of Covert doesn't play into it. 

| Instead he seems to get some sort of cheap thrill from the revulsion people 
| feel from his frequently graphic descriptions of his sex life. 

	My sex life? Where have I mentioned that? I don't remember saying
anything I have ever done. 

| been very consistent about decrying anal sex regardless of the orientations 
| of the participants.

	Which is a sham. If a married heterosexual couple wanted to have anal
sex, he really can't say much, can he? Cuz they should be able to... no?


Glen

 Z   My sex life? Where have I mentioned that? I don't remember saying
 Z   anything I have ever done. 
    
    Glen, you've made it abundantly clear to all you are a fallatio
    fanatic.
    
    -Jack

| <<< Note 713.406 by ASGMKA::MARTIN "Concerto in 66 Movements" >>>

| Glen, you've made it abundantly clear to all you are a fallatio fanatic.

	And where have I done this, Jack?

re .-whatever Glen

In many states, including mine, perverted behaviour has the same sanctions
for a married heterosexual couple as for anyone else.

If anyone wants to do gross disgusting unhealthy vile practices they deserve
whatever happens, including having me VOMIT if they talk about it in Soapbox.

What does Snoopy say?           "Bleagh!!!"

/john

    with Snoopy, it's humorous.
    
    with you, it's a violation of cocktail party etiquette.
    
    DougO

    so are loud puffies.

leave your eyes out of it! :-)

    >Which is a sham. If a married heterosexual couple wanted to have anal
    >sex, he really can't say much, can he? 
    
     He can and he does. Definition of consistency.
    
    >Cuz they should be able to... no?
    
    What they oughtta be able to do notwithstanding, it's against the law
    in a number of states, and the commonwealth of Massachusetts.
    
    

| <<< Note 713.412 by WAHOO::LEVESQUE "Spott Itj" >>>

| What they oughtta be able to do notwithstanding, it's against the law
| in a number of states, and the commonwealth of Massachusetts.

	That's the same law that makes oral sex against the law as well, right? 

 And we know that Glen is very insistent that people observe all the laws.




 Jim

	Jim, I think it is stupid for someone to bring up a law to back a point
when they only use part of that law. Would Doc, or anyone else who would use
the sodomy law to back their view also turn around and state that oral sex is
also something no one should be doing, and make as big of an issue about oral
sex that they do about anal sex?

	They way I see it, and of course it doesn't mean it is correct or not,
but I see that oral sex is seen as something that happens, so it is no big
whoop. Anal sex is something that isn't something that happens as often, so it
is viewed differently. 


Glen

    >Would Doc, or anyone else who would use the sodomy law to back their
    >view 
    
     You quite obviously haven't the tiniest clue about what my view is on
    the subject. What is clear, however, is that your powers of reading
    comprehension need remedial work.

	You're the one who brought up the law.....

>it's a violation of cocktail party etiquette.

This is a cocktail party?

Who stole my drink?!

/john

    glen,
    
    mark's right about the reading comprehension.  he wasn't defending the
    law; he was using it's existance to point out to you john's consistancy
    in abhoring the practice of anal sex for hetero and homo sexuals.
    
    pick your nits with john on the oral sex issue.

    >	You're the one who brought up the law.....
    
     It scares me the way you can lose context so easily.
    
     You argued that John's consistency in taking a position against anal
    sex regardless of the orientations of the participants was a sham
    because "they oughtta be able to do it". I merely contradicted the
    assertion that John's consistency is a sham by reminding you that "they
    oughtta be able to do it" is irrelevant in the eyes of the law. You
    then claim that the law is being referred to in order to back up my
    position on the subject. That's simply false, and is the conclusion of
    careless reading or limited comprehensive skills. I made no assertions
    of my own for or against anal sex.
    
     The Doctah

    
    does this mean that glen is anal retentive?

    
    	Glen,
    
    	Regardless of anyone's opinion of the law, or what kind of
    	strange things two people can dream up to do together, the
    	point remains the same.
    
    	*WE DON'T WANT THE GRAPHIC DETAILS* !!!!!
    
    	What's so difficult to understand ?  
    
    

 thank you.

    Just use the "next obscene" key.

    
    I guess I just don't understand. Why would anyone announce in here
    that, yes, they are crude, and almost strut about it like a
    peacock? It really boggles the mind.

    
    	Battis, ever hear of a character named Dennis Rodman ?
    
    

    Battis must be bleeding profusely from that one.

    {snort}

    
    Karen, i said in here. Dennis Rodman doesn't note in here to the
    best of my knowledge. hth

    
    	No, it doesn't really help.  I was just trying to point
    	out that such types exist all over the world.  Why should
    	the 'box surprise you ?
    
    

    
    overall, it doesn't. some surprise me more than others, that's all.

| Glen, you've made it abundantly clear to all you are a fallatio fanatic.
    
    ZZ        And where have I done this, Jack?
    
    

    
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  _____\:\  \   /:/__/      _____\:\  \   /:/ /:/ _/_ 
 /::::::::\__\ /::\  \     /::::::::\__\ /:/_/:/ /\__\
 \:\~~\~~\/__/ \/\:\  \__  \:\~~\~~\/__/ \:\/:/ /:/  /
  \:\  \        ~~\:\/\__\  \:\  \        \::/_/:/  / 
   \:\  \          \::/  /   \:\  \        \:\/:/  /  
    \:\__\         /:/  /     \:\__\        \::/  /   
     \/__/         \/__/       \/__/         \/__/    
      ___           ___           ___           ___           ___     
     /\__\         /\  \         /\  \         /\  \         /\__\    
    /:/ _/_        \:\  \       /::\  \       /::\  \       /:/ _/_   
   /:/ /\  \        \:\  \     /:/\:\  \     /:/\:\__\     /:/ /\__\  
  /:/ /::\  \   _____\:\  \   /:/ /::\  \   /:/ /:/  /    /:/ /:/  /  
 /:/_/:/\:\__\ /::::::::\__\ /:/_/:/\:\__\ /:/_/:/__/___ /:/_/:/  /   
 \:\/:/ /:/  / \:\~~\~~\/__/ \:\/:/  \/__/ \:\/:::::/  / \:\/:/  /    
  \::/ /:/  /   \:\  \        \::/__/       \::/~~/~~~~   \::/__/     
   \/_/:/  /     \:\  \        \:\  \        \:\~~\        \:\  \     
     /:/  /       \:\__\        \:\__\        \:\__\        \:\__\    
     \/__/         \/__/         \/__/         \/__/         \/__/    

    
    yeah, i notice glen hasbeen awfully quiet today.

    
    	It's hard for him to talk WHMF.
    

    
    Hee hee 8^).
    

    >> it's a violation of cocktail party etiquette.
    >
    > This is a cocktail party?
    >
    > Who stole my drink?!
    
    Who stole your manners?
    
    DougO

    
    	Glen is not at work today.
    
    

| <<< Note 713.420 by WAHOO::LEVESQUE "Spott Itj" >>>

| It scares me the way you can lose context so easily.

	You're right, and I apologize. I misunderstood.

| <<< Note 713.422 by SMARTT::JENNISON "And baby makes five" >>>


| *WE DON'T WANT THE GRAPHIC DETAILS* !!!!!

	When have I been graphic? Even with the bike scene I only said it would
be enjoyable. How is that graphic? 

| <<< Note 713.422 by SMARTT::JENNISON "And baby makes five" >>>


| Regardless of anyone's opinion of the law, 

	I meant to respond to this.... if one were to bring up one part of a
law and complain, then they had better complain about all parts of the law. 



Glen

| <<< Note 713.424 by SMURF::WALTERS >>>

| Just use the "next obscene" key.

	Smurf is back! YES!

| <<< Note 713.425 by ACISS1::BATTIS "Chicago - My Kind of Town" >>>


| yes, they are crude, and almost strut about it like a peacock? 

	You might be viewing it as that, but all I'm doing is being honest. 

	Jack, I had forgotten how cool that looks. Now link how putting that,
along with the 666 snarf, or the other snarfs I would put in ties me into being
a fanatic about any one of them, and not just a fanatic about snarfing? I mean,
I used to be a fanatic over it.......

| <<< Note 713.434 by ACISS1::BATTIS "Chicago - My Kind of Town" >>>


| yeah, i notice glen hasbeen awfully quiet today.

	Glen has been home yesterday AND today due to a bum knee. Yesterday I
couldn't walk down a flight of stairs. Today I could, but it still hurt. 

	Battis, you should know by now that I always have something to say. No
matter how many people go up against me. :-)

>Now link how putting that, along with the 666 snarf, or the other snarfs I
>would put in ties me into being a fanatic about any one of them, and not just a
>fanatic about snarfing?

If you were just a fanatic about snarfing, you'd be just as eager to grab the
.00 snarfs as the .69s.  Yet I don't think that you even had any fancy graphics
for .00s, just the .69s and devil snarfs. 

| <<< Note 713.446 by EVMS::MORONEY "UHF Computers" >>>


| If you were just a fanatic about snarfing, you'd be just as eager to grab the
| .00 snarfs as the .69s.  Yet I don't think that you even had any fancy graphics
| for .00s, just the .69s and devil snarfs.

	So fancy graphics specify what I am into? I did not know that.

I think the ratio of snarfs is more relevant.  Still not very, I'll admit. You
seem to grab the .69s much more than the .00s. I'm not going to count but it
seemed lopsided.  Of course if you were running 69_SNARF.COM this is
irrelevant. 

    Sounds like a perverted website.

    
    that someone will have a nice day today.

    
    	Thanks, Battis ... that's very kind of you.
    
    	I believe I will have a nice day.
    

    You took the last one!

    
    it already happened. who says dreams don't come true.

    
    TTWF:  Honesty.  Maturity.  
    

<can't wave hand to maturity>

Duh!

    
    	TTWF:
    
    	Someone to do my grocery shopping for me.
    
    

Depending where you are, various stores and independent contractors will shop
for you and deliver your groceries.  Stop and Shop, Hannaford Brothers, and 
couple of others do it in the greater Boston area.

    Hannaford will do that?  What kind of a convenience/servvice charge do
    they tack on?

I don't know the details.  There was an article in the Globe (I think in the
food section) a few weeks ago.

    
    	Ok, so now my TTWF is that my husband wouldn't think I
    	was crazy for even suggesting using one of those services.
    
    	8-)
    

    Schwann's also does grocery delivery.  I know several people that use
    them and they seem pretty happy with the quality and service.  Don't
    know what sort of premium you pay for their service though.

    
    hannoford brothers, as in "shop 'n save"??  hhhhmmmmm....interesting. 
    wonder if the "boston area" includes lunenburg/fitchburg area...
    
    

    
    The Jewel's around here in Chicago, use a service called Pea Pod. You
    can get a months free trial to check it out. I think the premium is
    around 9-10% of the total. Not positive, because I've never used it.

Yes, Hannaford as in Shop & Save.  The interesting thing is that I don't think
there are any Shop & Saves near Boston, but they do delivery in Boston.

Peapod does Stop & Shop's delivery.

    
    i like shop 'n save.  their prices are the lowest for most things (that
    i buy) compared to the other choices i have in my area...
    
    

    .467
    
    I'd like Shop & Save a lot better if they'd carry a broader line of
    interesting stuff instead of concentrating on big-package and store-
    brand items.  The S&S here in Nausea doesn't carry white Worcestershire
    sauce, and they've apparently discontinued Snyder's pepperoni pretzel
    bits.

Add some Clorox to regular Woostasha sauce.  NNTTM.

    Wisstasheah

   .469  More evidence that it's a bad idea to use condiments chez Sacks.
	 First there was the "Refrigerate the mustard? - Feh!" thing,
	 and now this.

You'll find white Worcestershire sauce in my house when you'll find
Eric Clapton CDs in Hare Binder's.

  aagagag.

    
    .472
    
    bwahahahahaha
    
    I'm crying over here.

    I like grocery shopping.  I don't think I'd like someone else
    picking out produce for me. 
    
    
    Mike
    

   .475  you and me, kiddo.

    
    	But it's good to know that if I have a craving for a pack of gum
    	and I don't feel like driving to the store to get it myself I can
    	have it delivered to my house for 5 cents.
    

    
    eating brie with deb, late at night.

    
    You'd probably dream you were in bed with John Covert afterwards.
    

    
    .479
    
    ok, I'll stick to kool-aid.

    	
    	.475
    
    	Mikey, I don't mind typically mind it.  However, these
    	days, I'm so tired at night that the thought of draggin'
    	myself to the store is almost as energy-draining as the
    	trip itself.
    
    	I just like to fantasize about such things.  I'd never actually
    	do them.
    
    

    I don't think I've ever ressonated with a note as much I did with .457.
    
    I just don't have the time.  (Working in Farmington, CT, Storrs, CT,
    and Littleton, MA, going to school full time, and spending the balance
    of my time seeing clients or writing reports or working on my thesis
    and dissertation.)
    
    I often end up stopping by the convenience store on the way home, or
    ordering out for a vindaloo, with the result that I eat poorly and pay
    far too much for it, and for that matter, never have anything in the
    house that I'd really be interested in eating.

    
    I heard an AD for Stop & Shop this morning,,, They deliver...

    RE: .481  I'd wager being pregnant doesn't help much either.
    
    Mike
    

    	
    	Well, why else would I be tired ?
    
    	This Superwoman act actually *does* get old ;-)
    
    

    And, if men and babies, instead of women, there wouldn't be a
    population problem.
    
    
    Mike
    

    
    	There seems to be a dependant clause missing from that sentence.
    

    
    	Slab, delete "and", insert "had".
    
    

The Hannaford Bros. home delivery service (www.homeruns.com) delivers to
Boston, Cambridge, Newton and Brookline.  Stop & Shop's (www.peapod.com)
delivers to a wider area.  I looked up Littleton (01460), Maynard (01754)
and Marlborough (01752), and they're all in the delivery area.  Shrewsbury
isn't.   Hannaford is free for orders over $60.  Peapod has a monthly fee
of $4.95 plus a per-order fee of $4.95 plus 5% of the total.

 I wish I did a better job of labeling video tapes.  I've got stacks of them
 that I've recorded..Seinfelds, various Nature and/or Discovery channel
 shows..and I have no idea what the heck is on them.  One of these days I'm
 going to take the time to watch some of them and label and catalog them.


 Jim

    
    	Most of mine are labelled, but my problem is that I've recorded
    	over most of them and haven't updated the labels.
    
    	So, is that any different than not being labelled?  Might make
    	for an interesting thesis.
    

| <<< Note 713.490 by CSLALL::HENDERSON "Give the world a smile each day" >>>



| various Nature and/or Discovery channel shows

	The man has taste!

	Mine are labeled too. Dr Who, Dr Who, Dr Who...... :--)

    
    	RE: .492
    
    	Taste?  Maybe regarding the original viewing, but I'm not so sure
    	about taping them and watching them again.
    

    I hope it's not one of those "the hungry lion chases down the
    innocently grazing gazelle and grabs it by the throat until the fight
    goes out of it and it dies a horrible death" kinda tapes.
    
    I can't watch those stories.  8,^(

    actually, biting it in the throat is probably
    the quickest way of killing it.

Quicker still, a bite to the back of the neck, through the brainstem or
medulla.

    
    Why, what a pleasant conversation.
    

    Jim started it!

    nature is very economical.

i wish deb were here to talk to me.....

    
    I'm here now!
    
    

That was fast!

    
    I didn't have to pry my knickers out from under my arms like some
    people.
    

	Can't have prying knickers.  No siree bob, sir.

    
    Maybe tomorrow night you'll go for the plumber's butt look!
    

Hey.  Let's offer to buy Shawn a ticket to see this!

    
    Well, ok, but Shawn gets to choose whether you do Plumber's Butt or
    Tweedledee/Tweedledum the night he comes.
    

    
    	Ummm, and the reason you think I want to see you in "plumber's
    	butt mode" is what, exactly, John?
    
    	Now, if Deb wants to try "plumber's butt mode", that's quite
    	different.
    

	You're going to have to demonstrate the Plumber's Butt
	look before I ask Merion and Bruce if "that's me."

    
    You hear that, Shawn?  Can you come to rehearsal tomorrow night and
    demonstrate for them?
    

You hear that, Shawn?

Come to the show on a ticket purchased by me, and Mz Debra will greet you
afterwards in the hallway, hold your head to her heart and sing "My Darling
Boy".

    
    That's about as likely as John demonstrating Plumber's Butt in church
    on Sunday 8^).
    

    
	Mama mia!!
    

	That's a spicy meat ball.

    
    I can't believe I ate the whole...
    
    Oops, wrong commercial.
    

    
    	Gerald's going to have a fit when he sees this rathole.
    

    
    That's a strange thing to wish for.
    

    
    	Yes, it's second only to "I hope Diane hates me tomorrow as much
    	as she hated me today".
    
    	8^)
    

    
    Hard to imagine 8^).

    
    	Well, maybe I can get someone else to misinterpret something I say
    	and turn that into something even worse.
    
    	I'm lying here in bed in my BVD's.  What are you wearing?
    

    >I hope it's not one of those "the hungry lion chases down the
    >innocently grazing gazelle and grabs it by the throat until the fight
    >goes out of it and it dies a horrible death" kinda tapes.
    
     Those are the best! Nature the way it really is, no anthropomorphism,
    no cute cuddlies, etc. It gives you an appreciation for how tenuous a
    grip life really is. Consider the predators. As young they are
    extremely vulnerable, same as any prey. Over time, they must learn to
    kill to survive, and if they fail they die. If they succeed, another
    animal must die. It's all part of the brilliant system of checks and
    balances.
    
     I bet you'd not enjoy feeding time at the fishtank, when the feed
    consisted of live fish or brine shrimp...

 I like when they show snakes eating rats and you can hear the bones
 crunching as the snake swallows the rat.

    
    .522
    
    kinda like mankind.

    Just another day in the food chain.

    
    
    	Ugh.  I'm so glad I read this while eating breakfast.
    	Blah!
    

    
    well, boa me down.

    I was watching a show the other night about different lion tribes and
    how one tribe is almost completely wiped out because the cubs keep
    dying before they get old enough to hunt.  There was this old lioness
    who had two cubs and (thankfully) I missed the beginning of the show,
    so I don't know what became of them.... only that they were gone.
    According to the narrator, it was probably the last litter she would
    have because of her age.  So anyway... the mama lion kept searching all 
    their old playing spots making this really mournful sound.  I couldn't 
    watch it anymore.  I flipped back about 15 minutes later, and the mother
    had died.   I know it happens, but it's just too sad to watch.  8'^( 

 I saw that one several months ago..'twas sad, that's for sure.

 I hate seeing the baby zebras/Thompson gazzelles get grabbed and
 devoured.

	I saw one where this animal (I believe a gazelle [sp?]) had just been
born. A few minutes later it was dinner. I know it happens and all, but like
others have said, it ain't fun watching.

	Of course then when they show the births, them growing up, playing,
things like that, it makes it worth watching!

    One of the last ones I saw showed a moose giving birth to a calf. They
    went on to say how critical it was that the baby moose survive its
    first year, and explained the many dangers it would face. The next day,
    a pack of wolves surrounded the cow and calf. The cow moose would chase
    off any intrepid wolf that ventured too close- and the wolves were
    hungry! Fortunately the cow managed to discourage the wolves and they
    went onto easier prey. After another week or so, a sow grizzly caught
    the scent of the moose. Grizzlies are essentially the only predators
    that can take down a full grown, healthy moose by themselves. Well the
    cow tried to get the grizzly's attention, but the plaintive bleating of
    the baby moose became its focus, and it wasn't long before the chomping
    began.

    
    grizzlies are nast carnivores. i wouldn't want to meet one up close and
    personal.

No, Thomas.

    RE: .532  Small nit, grizzlies are omnivores
    
    
    Mike

  Yes, according to my back country Yellowstone guide, humans are not
 a priority food item of grizzers.  After killing a hiker, a grizzer will
 tear open the backpack looking for gorp before eating the hiker.

  In groups of 4 or more hikers, grizzly attacks are rare, because the
 bear sees it as too much bother over a non-preferred food item.

  bb

    
    "pardon me Mr. Grizzly, are you perhaps a omnivore, or a carnivore?"

    Humans are omnivores as well.  Now go take your ritalin (sp?) B^) 
    
    
    Mike
    

Correct.  Ritalin.

    
    .538
    
    well, aren't you just a fountain of information today.

    Why so crabby today?  Not winning the NCAA pool this year?
    
    
    Mike

    it's a hormonal thing.

    Ahhh, I see.  Hey, Mark, how about lunch Friday at Carlos Murphy's?
    I'll try and cheer him up...
    
    
    Mike
    

    
    
    	Ok, so what is it about restaurants with a Mexican first name
    	and an Irish last name?
    
    	There's a mexican place in VA (where my better half is from)
    	called Carlos O'Kelly's.
    

    It's a multicultural restaurant!

    In Colo Spgs, we had Jose Muldoon's.  In Lakewood, CO, we had Jose
    O'Shea's.
    
    I've always wondered about this, too.  Was there a major migration from
    Ireland to Mexico?  Do they have Irish parades in Mexico City every
    year?  Do they allow gays in their parades?

Famous Chilean patriot Bernardo O'Higgins.  Near the Brookline/Brighton border,
there's a sign designating an intersection Bernardo O'Higgins Square.  The "o"
in Bernardo was tacked on as an afterthought.  Presumably the sign maker didn't
know S.A. history.

    Some sort of theme thing, i guess.
    
    
    Mike
    

    
    I gueth.
    
    

    Ya don't thay?
    
    
    Mike
    
    

    For years I thought the restaurant on Rt 140 just north of I290 was
    called the "Dragon SS" and was some combination of Chinese and Third
    Reich delicacies.     

    
    	OK, so what is it called?
    

    TTWF: some of this
    
    1988 Vosne-Romanee "Cros Parantoux- Henri Jayer 
    
    Simply said, no one has ever made finer wine than Henri Jayer. His
    competitors are not Leroy, DRC, or Petrus, but rather Van Gogh, Mozart,
    and Picasso! This wine has a 100 point nose: exploding from the glass
    with magical scents of cooked plums, duck, cassis, French roast,
    vinesmoke, beetroot, and cedary, spicy wood. Deep, dark and intensely
    black fruity. Young and profound on the palate, with the "baked fruit"
    of the vintage (similar to 1982 Bordeaux), with extraordinary length
    and grip, a massive core of sweet, ripe red fruits, and firm, chewy
    tannins on the finish. The palate impression is of a great reduction
    sauce of Pinot Noir, with more intensity than I have ever encountered
    in the likes of La Tache or Richebourg (excepting Leroy's), coupled to
    a poise and balance that leaves in impression of lightness of touch! An
    immense, deeply powerful wine that is still years away from its
    profound peak of maturity. Patience is required, but will be rewarded
    graciously. The result of inspired vision that knows no compromise. I
    stand in awe at the work of a genius. 2004-2040. 97+. 
    

    
    is the 2004-2040, the price of a bottle?

    
    	No, those are the years in which it's best to drink it.
    

    So... how much IS it for a bottle?  <blowing dust & lint out of wallet> 

>>>So... how much IS it for a bottle?  <blowing dust & lint out of wallet> 

   If you have to ask you can't afford it!!! My guess is if you could find it, it
would be on the order of ~$150.


	-mike

    If any were for sale...

    Oh sure... make my mouth water, then spring this incidental info on me
    (that none is for sale, and even if it were, I couldn't afford to buy
    any).  
    
    Tried a very nice port a couple weeks ago... wish I could remember the
    name of it.  The bottle looks like the 10-year old Dow bottle.  $14.95
    for 375ml bottle.
    
    Still can't find a $14.99 (regular-sized) bottle of port that comes close 
    to Chateau Reynella's Old Cave tawny.  Not that the search hasn't been fun
    ... just disappointing.  I don't really like to spend more money on such
    non-necessities... takes away from my home theater fund.  8^)

    
    	Come on, Leech, sell a couple pairs of interconnects and you can
    	probably afford a case of the stuff.
    

    Actually, I put together my own interconnects... they are much cheaper
    to buy by the foot, than pre-packaged.  When I get that Mark Levinson
    front-end, I'll probably sink 4 digits into interconnects.  Until then,
    I think I'll stick with the less expensive stuff.  8^)

    
    	4 digits??
    
    	That includes the decimal point and the cents digits, yes?
    

    Hershey Ti bottom bracket and a Chris King headset by the summer.

    Road or mountain?  

    .562
    
    Uhm... no.  Let's see... my finished system will have four amplifiers,
    a CD, DVD, VCR, and powered sub.  That's a heap o' cables.  Even the
    less expensive esoteric brands are easily a $100 each (on the low end).
    
    No, I don't have any $100 cables in my system, currently... no need,
    I'm not running equipment that would really benefit from them (my
    custom pair was only $70, and each cable is 8' long). 
    
    Of course, I was not real serious about the four figures for cable, as
    I'll likely never own a Mark Levinson front end, unless I win the
    lottery (then four figures on cables would be a drop in the bucket,
    anyway 8^) ).

    .564 mountain. i looked at the White Ind. bb but was steered away
    from it. they're experiencing some problems. 
    
    i'e had a King headset on my road bike for 6 seasons now and remain
    very happy with it.

    Can't wait for the vacuum tube DVD players...

    
    I wish it were Friday at 5:01pm.
    

    I wish that Meg liked me!!

	I suppose if you didn't constantly put down women, she just might.

    
    	Yeah, Jack, try picking them up once in awhile.
    
    	If you do it right you might even realize that the view is a bit
    	better.
    

Jack,

Well you can wish in one hand and crap in the other and see which 
one fills up first....

daryll

,----too funny for words!

    I wish I could meet an honest woman in this stupid town.  (well, I can
    dream, can't I?)

  .574  what do you mean by "honest"?

    Jezebels!  In cahoots with the serpent!

	Wirgin blood!

	Wirgin blood!



		--from Andy Warhol's "Dracula".

    Jack,
    
    My religion also requires that I love Charlie Manson, and Ron Reagan. 
    I don't like them much either.

    
    	But you're also allowed to turn them into monkeys if you want, yes?
    

    
    
    I wish for a winning lottery ticket in tonights drawing!
    
    
    BS

    
    	I bought two tickets.  Wish me luck.
    

  I saw a study of some 20 randomly selected millionaire lottery winners
 several years after.  They were dramatically unhappier than when they
 were poor.  Several suicides, others in drug rehab, divorced, depressed.  Many
 said it was the worst thing that had ever happened to them, and it took
 all meaning out of their lives.  There were a few exceptions, but mostly
 it was not a pretty picture.

  bb

    
    hmmm,  I guess wishing for a winning ticket isn't enough is it?
    
    I guess I should go out at lunch and buy a few tickets before I 
    start praying to the lord to be kind enough to let me win!
    
    
    BS

    > what do you mean by "honest"?
    
    Keeping one's word would be a good place to start.  Or, how about
    saying what you mean? 
    
    Honesty is too much to expect these days, it seems.  Hell, I'd settle
    for simple courtesy.

>        <<< Note 713.582 by GAAS::BRAUCHER "And nothing else matters" >>>
> said it was the worst thing that had ever happened to them, and it took
> all meaning out of their lives.

Did it mention why, or whether they knew why?

    It is tough to go from one extreme of wealth to another.  One day you
    are happily swapping transmissions in your '77 F100 along side your
    deluxe double wide and the next thing you are swapping transmissions on
    your Hummer on your 15 acre estate.  The leap from one reality to the
    other is really hard for some folks to make and they end up more worser
    than before.  I on the other hand have been grooming myself for instant
    riches for some time now and feel I am ready to handle the increased
    demands such wealth brings.  Therefore it is only deserving that I win
    sparing the less prepared a future of misery and gloom.  
    
    Here to help,
    
    Brian
    

>           <<< Note 713.584 by ACISS2::LEECH "Terminal Philosophy" >>>

    
>    Honesty is too much to expect these days, it seems.

	Naaaaah.

    >Naaaaah.
    
    Well, maybe not, but I've yet to see any, so perhaps my opinion is
    somewhat scewed.

>           <<< Note 713.588 by ACISS2::LEECH "Terminal Philosophy" >>>
    
>    Well, maybe not, but I've yet to see any, so perhaps my opinion is
>    somewhat scewed.

	you've yet to see any honesty??  geez.  er, btw, that's "skewed".

    >other is really hard for some folks to make and they end up more worser   
    						^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
    >than before.  I on the other hand have been grooming myself for instant   
     ^^^^^^^^^^
    Want to try this one more time...

    I'm not sure it's the juxtaposition of poverty to riches that's at the
    root of it. I think it's more likely everything else. When you're poor,
    few people call to beg you for money. When you win the lottery, your
    name is a matter of public record and there's a whole bunch of people
    who come out of the woodwork to pester you for donations to their pet
    worthy causes. It's amazing how many people end up having to change
    their phone number to do away with the immediate requests for money.
    But they can still flood your mailbox.
    
    Then there's the issue of new "friends" that show up when they've found
    out you won the lottery. Are they there because they want to be friends
    or because you might spend money on them? It's not always easy to tell,
    so you begin to become suspicious of new "friends." Some of your old
    friends become jealous of your good fortune, leading to a loss of
    friendship on that front. etc.
    
    Some people have never had enough money to worry about; now they have
    something to lose. Now they have the added stress of not squandering
    all that money. 
    
    personally, I think that money alone isn't the answer to every problem.
    Peoplpe who are rich still have problems; they're just different
    problems.

    >Want to try this one more time...
    
     It's kind of an inside joke.

    steve, just what is it that attracts you to
    dishonest women?

 spewed ?

  bb

    re happiness and wealth. I don't got no money now and I ain't all that
    happy, nor am I all that unhappy. $80,000,000 richer. I'll take that
    unhappiness any day. I'll take my chances.
    
    Bright Blessings,
    
    PJ

  I liked the $42 million winner lady in Mass a couple weeks back.  In
 her forties or fifties, I think.  She had promised her now deceased
 mother that if she ever could, she would help rebuild this church in
 some town - was it Methuen ?  Funny thing was, she wasn't even a member
 of that church - the dead mother was.  So there was a picture of her
 handing this minister a surprise donation that filled the impossible
 building fund.

  When asked what she would do next, she answered, inevitably, "I'm going
 to Disney World !!!"

  I think this woman will be fine.

  bb

  wow - a display of optimism from the Browk!  this is a
  fine day indeed.