Conference back40::soapbox

    What - leave the seat down and pee? - can't pee get all
    over the seat?    That makes a valid point for all women 
    to leave the seat up for us men after they are done doesn't it?   
    Men - if women forget this - just remind them - no stupid
    sign is required.  
    
    Mothers - always teach your daughters to put the seat 
    down before sitting on the toilet.  This will insure 
    that your daughters will never sit IN the toilet!
    If more mothers would teach there daughters this more
    women would be sitting on toilets instead of IN them!
    

    
    Everybody should put both the seat and the lid down after they are done
    pottying.  That way everybody has to lift something, everybody has to
    put something down, and nobody has to stare into a potty bowl, which
    isn't exactly the most attractive fixture in a room.
    

    >          <<< Note 710.2 by POWDML::HANGGELI "High Maintenance Honey" >>>
    
    >...and nobody has to stare into a potty bowl, which
    > isn't exactly the most attractive fixture in a room.
    
    
    I thought YOU were the most attractive fixture in a room..
    
    

    
    	Deb, guys have to lift 2 things at the same time ... so we're
    	doing twice the work that you do to accomplish the same thing.
    
    	It's not fair, and we demand equal treatment.
    

    so do you put bum-wipe rolls with the edge coming off the front? or the
    back?

    .2 Everybody should put both the seat and the lid down after they are
    .2 done pottying.  That way everybody has to lift something, everybody has
    .2 to put something down, and nobody has to stare into a potty bowl,
    .2 which isn't exactly the most attractive fixture in a room.
    
    
    .2>
    
    All toilets don't have lids and besides how are the dogs supposed 
    to get a drink if the lid is closed?     
    
    The proposal in .0 is too fix 2 problems right?   
    
    1).  Women sitting in toilets 
    
    and
    
    2). Male wee finding its way to the seat
    
    
    The logical approach would be to leave the seat up and teach people
    to put it down before use.   This would insure that dogs have water.
      
    

    and remember, one flush of a toilet can send water particles from the
    throne up to 5' into the air. inhale deeply people.

    
    	RE: Chip
    
    	So you put the seat down, flush, and then put the seat back up.
    	Everybody's happy ... well, except for the females.
    
    
    	RE: Bob
    
    	Edge coming off the front, so it's easier to rip the sheets
    	off the roll.
    

    .3
    
    Hoover alert!

    
    I refuse to compromise my principles on this subject.  Both seat and
    lid remain down unless potty is in use, and the end of the toilet
    tissue hangs over the top of the roll.
      

>    	RE: Bob
>    
>    	Edge coming off the front, so it's easier to rip the sheets
>    	off the roll.

Also more fun for cats that way.    

    
    The solution to this problem is obvious: separate bathrooms.
    

    I don't feel guilty for people who don't have enough sense to
    look before sitting down IN IT / ON IT. 

    i have to take Deb's side. the lid should remain down (if it has one)
    when not in use.

>    and remember, one flush of a toilet can send water particles from the
>    throne up to 5' into the air. inhale deeply people.

I see a market for remote toilet flushers.

 Z    That way everybody has to lift something, everybody has to
 Z       put something down, and nobody has to stare into a potty bowl, 
    
    I think they ought to institute potty Affirmative Action programs to
    make the playing field, i.e. toilet seats level.

    I agree with Mz. Debra actually.  Very unsophisticated.

    
    	Isn't there a cigarette that's supposed to occur in there
    	somewhere?
    

    Wild Turkey??  Eeeuuuuwww (in any quantity).  No wonder you heaved it. 
    8^)

    He doesn't have to answer - he's taken the fifth.

    
    	re: .25
    
    	wow, you're good. :)
    
    

    Anybody ever watch "Sliders" (travelling between parallel dimensions) on 
    FOX TV.  An episode a few months ago had the slider team ending up in a
    world ruled by women because most of the men had died off, the rest
    were a treasured commodity used solely for stud purposes.
    
    The slider team were being harbored in a house when the lady cops who
    were chasing began a door-to-door search.  One lady cop says, "Chief
    come look at this".  The camera pans to the bathroom where the seat was
    left up.
    
    -- Jim

See 58.1229.

>>	I see a market for remote toilet flushers.
    
    They already have automatic ones in most public restrooms...
    
    Supposed to be more sanitary
    

    
    	RE: .27
    
    	Yeah, that was a nice touch, I thought.
    

Is "Sliders" sponsored by White Castle?

>    They already have automatic ones in most public restrooms...
>    Supposed to be more sanitary
    
  Yes, that's a good system for people who are too lazy to flush. But you
can achieve some of the sanitation by having a foot-pedal flush, which some
public toilets do.
  I first saw the auto-flush thing in CT a year ago. Doesn't seem to have made
it to MA rest areas yet.

>  I first saw the auto-flush thing in CT a year ago. Doesn't seem to have made
>it to MA rest areas yet.

First they need to get toilets.

    
    	How does an auto-flush system work?
    
    	Does it trigger based on weight, not by volume?
    

    
    
    	the ones I've seen had an electronic eye that sensed when you were
    in front of the toilet. 
    
    

    
    	Oh, so it flushes when there's no one on front of it?
    

    Something like that.

    
    	So you're saying it will flush all day if no one steps up to
    	it?
    

    If a tree falls in the forest and there's nobody there to hear it, will
    anybody care if the toilet is flushing or not?

    The one I remember flushed right as I stood up, go figure.

    
    .39
    
    Depends whether or not it's in Queens.
    

    
    
    	re: .38
    
    	When you step in front of it it will see you and go into a "wait" 
    state. When you move away it flushes and resets for the next person.
    
    	At least that's how it looks to a non-technical person such as
    myself. :*)
    
    
    jim                                                 

    ...also popular are those plastic inserts, filled with kitty litter, so
    your cat hops up on the john like everybody else in the family...

    
    	But do they put the seats down when they're through?
    
    	Enquiring minds and all that.
    

    I always look before I sit down, I've never fallen in. Women should
    never assume the seat is down. 

    It's okay, women have had their vengeance by installing those fuzzy
    toilet seat covers thus upsetting the delicate balance of an upright
    seat cover thus causing a {thwap} thus causing a mess, and sometimes
    even bodily harm.

    
    	re: -1
    	
    	
    	hahahahahahaaaa...! I'm rolling here! :)
    
    

    re -2
    
       Ouch! Reminds me of a bad experience.:')_ss
    

    >  <<< Note 710.46 by POLAR::RICHARDSON "A one shake man" >>>
    
    
    It's okay, women have had their vengeance by installing those fuzzy
    toilet seat covers thus upsetting the delicate balance of an upright
    seat cover thus causing a {thwap} thus causing a mess, and sometimes
    even bodily harm.
    
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    
    been there, been thwapped.
    
    

    And once you've been thwapped, you've learned your lesson. From then
    on, you use one knee to ensure that the lid stays up requiring to
    contort your lower body. The women all secretly laugh.

    re: .-1
    
    mygawd; a secret conspiracy of Bathroom Thwappers!
    
    
    call the media! set up a news conference! quick! alert the unwary!

    
    interesting topic. interesting products, and all you can talk about
    is toilet's. I am now deeply troubled.

    
      Rawhide.  (Or Alphaserver 4100 to suits).
    
      Now go sell 'em !!!
    
      bb

    >Rawhide. (Or Alphaserver 4100 to suits).
    
    Does that come with messages attached to the toilet seat to teach us to
    close the lid?:)
    
    

    
>    interesting topic. interesting products, and all you can talk about
>    is toilet's. I am now deeply troubled.


  and in need of the amazing ronco apostrophe usage computer

    ah, rawhide.  rough project, like sand in your
    bathing suit.

    
    and what pray tell Jim, would you call the plural for toilet?

 toilets

    
    It's going to be one of those days.

    
      Actually, during the (roughly) two years of engineering this
     neat box, the "Rawhide" motif got a bit much - product managers
     in Texas goatroper hats, pointy boots, string ties; task forces
     were posses; modules and chips we designed got names like Horse,
     Saddle, Cud, while configurations were called Dodge, Durango,
     Tombstone.  They even played the theme song from the old TV show.
    
      bb

 Yee hah!

    I like the name and the music. But, all I see is the Blues Brothers
    singing in a bad country and western bar, getting splashed with glass
    as it breaks on the chicken wire protective fence.
    
    Its a 106 miles to Chicago, we've got a full tank of gas, a half a pack
    of ciarettes, it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses. Hit it.
    

    
    Bill, maybe you can get Clint Eastwood to plug this machine for
    a commercial.

    I prefer the Billy Crystal version.

    yes, the naming of system components was so very 
    precious.  and led to so very much confusion for 
    some people.  they should stick to the functional
    names of components.  but, at dec, it seems every
    thing requires at least two names.

    .65 True, but from the sounds of it, all aside and such, it sounds like
    there was allot of fun putting together this system. And having fun or
    making your fun is a very rare thing around here when it comes to
    working.:)
    
    

    i sure had a barrel of laughs!

    Thats what counts most!
    

    Bumblebee Tuna!

    This reminds me of the owner of my old house.   She had notes all over
    the place (like she or her boys could remember anything).  The author
    of .0 sounds like a women bent on teaching little boys something.  
    
    I spoke with 3 women yesterday on this same topic and eventually the
    reason offered was that they got up in the middle of the night and
    sat IN THE TOILET because they did not have enough sense to check
    if the lid was down.  
    
    The cause of the problem was that they did not check to see if the
    lid was down.  The solution offered by all of the women I spoke to
    was to have all men put the lid down.   What a bunch of junk.
    Blame this on men.... haha ...   They sat IN THE TOILET because they
    assumed it was down - that's the bottom line (no pun...) 
    
    If you are the type who forgets maybe you should create your own
    sign reminding yourself to check to make sure the lid is down
    before you sit down.     I don't need signs myself because I can
    remember to check before sitting down. 
    

    .69 Yha missed a perfectly good snarf. But your right. Imainge opening
    a can of bumblebee's.;)
    
    

re .71:

>    But your right. Imainge opening a can of bumblebee's.;)
    
That's nothing.  Try opening 1'x1'x3' boxes full of bees.    

    >   Try opening 1'x1'x3' boxes full of bees.
    
    OK. Now what?

You take the honey!

(Or you make sure they're healthy, or the queen is there, or do
whatever you planned on doing before you opened them up.)

    > You take the honey!
    
    is mz_deb around here?
    
    > (Or you make sure they're healthy, or the queen is there, or do
    > whatever you planned on doing before you opened them up.)
    
    the idea of a healthy queen is certainly food for thought...

    
    Bobbo... 8^).
            

    Bobbo is an interesting product, Deb, but product of society and
    product as we are discussing it here are two different products
    altogether.  :^)

    This catalog on hunting, fishing, and outdoor gear from Cabela's.;)
    
    

  
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Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 15:32:03 -0700
From: Daniel Hirtz <danease@primenet.com>
Subject: THE FLANAGAN NEUROPHONE THINKMAN (TM) - An electronic device which literally enables one to hear through the skin - neuroeml.txt (0/1)

The purpose of this memo that the Flanagan NEUROPHONE THINKMAN (TM)
will be available for purchase, in limited quantities, by the last
quarter of this year.
We are enclosing an article by the inventor, Dr. Patrick Flanagan that
will give you more detailed information.
The NEUROPHONE will not be marketed as a  hearing aid device . It is
our belief that the NEUROPHONE may very well be the most significant
electronic sound invention since the stereo, and the use implications
of the NEUROPHONE have yet to be fully known or understood. How ever,
it may well change the very manner in which we  learn . As the
inventor says,  learning without thinking .
Nevertheless, the applications as a tool to possibly eliminate
deafness is astounding and until one actually experiences the
NEUROPHONE it is difficult to fully appreciate any words which attempt
to explain it.
If you, or one of your associates, will be in the Phoenix, AZ area
sometime in June, we will gladly arrange a demonstration. Simply call
John Lloyd at 602-484-4882 or Daniel Hirtz at 602-951-9339.
The cost of the NEUROPHONE will be approximately $700.- and it is
possible to be included on a priority wait list for receipt of a
NEUROPHONE by late 1996 or early 97. We are accepting $100.- (15%)
deposits which assure placement on the priority wait list. This amount
will be deducted from the purchase price.
We are honored and pleased to bring the NEUROPHONE to your attention.


*******************************************************************************
**
THE FLANAGAN NEUROPHONE - THINKMAN (TM)
In the early 1960's, when he was only a teenager LIFE magazine listed
Patrick Flanagan as one of the top scientists in the world. Among his
many inventions was a device he called the Neurophone an electronic
instrument that can successfully program suggestions directly through
contact with the skin. When he attempted to patent the device the
government demanded that he prove that it worked. When he did the NSA
(National Security Agency) confiscated the Neurophone.
HISTORY OF THE NEUROPHONE
The first Neurophone was made when I was 14 years old, in l958. When I
was 15 years old, I gave a lecture at the Houston Amateur Radio Club,
during which I demonstrated the Neurophone, The next day I was
contacted by a reporter from the Houston Post. He said that he had a
relative who was nerve-deaf from spinal meningitis and asked if we
might try the Neurophone on his relative. The test was a success. The
day after that, an article on the Neurophone as a potential hearing
aid for the deaf appeared and went out on the international wire
services.
The publicity grew over the next two years. in 1961, Life magazine
came to our house and lived with us for over a week. They took
thousands of pictures and followed me around from dawn to dusk. The
article appeared in the September 14th, 1962 issue. After that I was
Invited to appear on the I've got a Secret Show hosted by Gary Moore.
The show was telecast from the NBC studios in New York. During the
show I placed electrodes from the Neurophone on the lower back of Bess
Meyerson while the panel tried to guess what I was doing to her. She
was able to "hear" a poem that was being played through the Neurophone
electrodes. The poem was recorded by Andy Griffith, another guest on
the show. Since the signal was only perceived by Ms. Meyerson, the
panel could not guess what I was doing to her. As a result of the Life
magazine article and exposure on the Gary Moore Show. we received over
a million letters about the invention.
The U.S. Patent Office started giving us problems. The examiner said
that the device could not possibly work and refused to issue the
patent until 1967. It was only after my lawyer and I took a working
model to the patent office that the patent was issued. This
was an unusual move since inventors rarely bring their inventions to
the patent examiner. The examiner said that he would allow the patent
to issue if we could make a deaf employee of the patent office hear
with the device. The employee was able to hear and the patent for the
Neurophone was issued.
A research company, the Huyck Corporation, became interested in the
invention. Huyck was owned by a very large and powerful Dutch paper
company with offices throughout the world. They began researching the
device and were favorably impressed but because of the problems with
the patent office they dropped the project.
At Huyck I met two friends who remained close to me for many years,
Dr. Henri Marie Coanda, the father of fluid dynamics, and G. Harry
Stine, scientist and author. Harry Stine wrote a book called The
Silicon Gods (Bantam Books), which was about the potential of the
Neurophone as a brain-to-computer connecting interface device.
The next stage of Neurophone research began when I went to work for
Tufts University as a research scientist. Together with a Boston based
corporation, we were involved in a project to develop a language
between man and dolphin. Our contracts were from the United States
Naval Ordnance Test Station out of China Lake, California. The senior
scientist on the project was my close friend and business partner Dr.
Dwight Wayne Batteau, Professor of Physics and Mechanical Engineering
at Harvard and Tufts.
HOLOGRAPHIC SOUND
In the Dolphin Project we developed the basis for many potential new
technologies. We were able to ascertain the encoding mechanism used by
the human brain to decode speech intelligence patterns and were also
able to decode the mechanism used by the brain to locate sound sources
in three dimensional space. These discoveries led to the development
of a 3-D holographic sound system which could place sounds in any
location in space as perceived by the listener. In other words it
could he sent in a way where the sound appeared to be coming right out
of thin air!
We also developed a Man-Dolphin language translator The translator was
able to decode human speech so that complex dolphin whistles were
generated. When dolphins whistled the translator would produce human
speech. We developed a communication system between ourselves and the
two dolphins we were working with at that time. The dolphins were
located in the lagoon of a small island off of Oahu, Hawaii. We had
offices at Sea Life Park in Boston and commuted between the points to
test our various gadgets.
We recorded dolphins and whales in the open sea and were able to
accurately identify the locations of various marine mammals by using
the concepts discovered in our work. The system used the same method
as the human brain in locating sound sources. A person can locate
sound sources in space because of the way the outer ear handles
incoming sound signals. You can test this by closing your eyes while
having a friend jingle keys around your head. With your eyes closed
you can pinpoint the location of the keys very accurately.
If you distort your pinnae (the projected part of the exterior ear -
the part we see. It collects and directs sound waves into the inner
portions of the ear) by bending your outer ears out of shape, your
ability to locate sound sources will be reduced or destroyed. The so
called cocktail party effect is the ability to locate specific voices
in a noisy party: This is due to the brain's ability to detect phase
differences and then pay attention to localized areas in 3-D space.
Thus we can not only tell who is speaking but the location of the
speaker can also be detected. A favorite "intelligence" trick is to
have sensitive conversations in a "hard rooms" with wooden walls and
floors. A microphone "bug" will pick up all the echoes and this will
scramble the voice. Almost all embassies contain "hard rooms" for
sensitive conversations. If you put a microphone in the room with a
duplicate of the human pinnae on top of it, you will be able to
distinguish the voices and tune out the echoes - just as we do in a
party. In order to locate whales and dolphins under water, we used
metal ears 18 inches in diameter that were attached to hydrophones.
When these ears were placed under water we were able to accurately
localize underwater sounds in 3-D space by listening to the sounds
with earphones. We used this system to pin point the location of
whales and dolphins. Sound travels five times faster under water so
the artificial ears had to be larger to give the same time-ratio
encoding as we find in the air. We also made large plastic ears that
were tested in Vietnam. These ears were of the same proportions as
real ears but much larger. They enabled us to hear distant sounds with
a high degree of accuracy enabling us to locate the position of the
originating sounds in the jungle. It seems that we can adapt to ears
of almost any size. The reason we can do this is that sound
recognition is based on a time ratio code which the brain translates
into what we "hear".
We were able to also reverse the process. We could take any sound
recording and condition it so that it would be perceived as coming
from any point we wished to project it in 3-D space. Using this system
we could spread out a recording of an orchestra so that it was as if
we were listening to the music coming from many points in a room just
like a live concert.
We developed a special Neurophone that enabled us to "hear" dolphin
sounds up to 250 000 Hertz well beyond what is otherwise possible with
the human ear. By using the device as part of the Man-Dolphin
communicator we were able to perceive more of the intricacies of the
dolphin language. The human ear is limited to about 16.000 Hertz
(vibrations, pulses or cycles per second) while dolphins generate and
hear sounds up to 250.000 Hertz. Our special Neurophone enabled us to
hear the full range of dolphin sounds.
As a result of the discovery of the encoding system used by the brain
to find sound location in space, and a so to recognize speech, we were
able to create a digital Neurophone.
When our digital Neurophone patent application was sent to the patent
office, the Defense Intelligence Agency slapped it under a secrecy
order. I was unable to work on the device or talk about it to anyone
for another five years. This was terribly discouraging. The first
patent took twelve years to obtain and now, after all of our work,
we had our work locked up in a national security order.
SPEED LEARNING - NEW SOUND
The digital Neurophone converts sound waves into a digital signal that
matches the time ratios codes understood by the human brain. These
time signals are used not only in speech recognition but also in
recognizing the location of sounds in 3-D space as mentioned in the
earlier in the "jingling keys" example.
The digital Neurophone is the version that we eventually produced and
sold as the Mark XI and the Thlnkman Model 50 versions. These
Neurophones were especially useful as speed learning machines. If we
played educational tapes through the device, the information was very
rapidly incorporated into the long-term memory banks of our brains.
THE EARLY DESIGNS
The first Neurophone device was constructed by attaching two Brillo
pads to insulated copper wires. Brillo pads are copper wire scouring
pads used to clean pots and pans. They are about two inches in
diameter. The Brillo pads were inserted into plastic bags that acted
as insulators. The wires from the pads were connected to a re- versed
audio output transformer that was attached to a hi-fi amplifier. The
output voltage of the audio transformer was about 1.500 volts
peak-to-peak. When the insulated pads were placed on the temples next
to the eyes and the amplifier was driven by speech or music, you could
"hear" the resulting sound inside your head. The perceived sound
quality was very poor, highly distoned and very weak.
I observed that during certain sound peaks in the audio driving signal
- the sound perceived - in the head was very clear and very loud. When
the signal was observed on a oscilloscope while listening to the
sound, the signal was perceived as being loudest and most clear when
the amplifier was over-driven and square waves were generated. At the
same time, the transformer would ring or oscillate with a dampened
wave form at frequencies of 40- 50kHz.
The next Neurophone consisted of a variable frequency vacuum tube
oscillator that was amplitude- modulated. This output signal was then
fed into a high frequency transformer that was flat in frequency
response in the 20-100 kHz range. The electrodes were placed on the
head and the oscillator was tuned so that maximum resonance was
obtained using the human body as a part of the tank circuit. Later
models had a feedback mechanism that automatically adjusted the
frequency for resonance. We found that the dielectric constant of
human skin is highly variable. In order to achieve maximum transfer of
energy. the unit had to be returned to resonance in order to match the
"dynamic dielectric response" of the body of the listener.
The 2.000 volt peak-to-peak amplitude-modulated carrier wave was then
connected to the body by means of two-inch diameter electrode disks
that were insulated by means of mylar films of different thickness".
The Neurophone is really a scalar wave device since the out-of- phase
signals from the electrodes mix in the nonlinear complexities of
the skin dielectric. The signals from each capacitor electrode are 180
degrees out-of-phase. Each signal is transmitted into the complex
dielectric of the body where phase cancellation takes place. The net
result is a scalar vector. This fact was not known at the time I
invented the device. This knowledge came later when we learned that
the human nervous system is particularly sensitive to scalar signals.
The high frequency amplitude-modulated Neurophone has excellent sound
clarity. The perceived signal was very clearly perceived as coming
from within the head. We established quite early that some totally
nerve-deaf people could hear with the device. For some reason,
however, not all nerve-deaf people hear with it the first time.
 We were able to stimulate visual phenomena when the electrodes were
placed over the occipital region of the brain. The possibilities of
Neurophonic visual stimulation suggests that we may someday be able to
use the brain like a computer or television screen.
HOW DOES IT WORK?
The skin is our largest and most complex organ. In addition to being
the first line of defense against infection, the skin is a gigantic
liquid crystal brain. The skin is piezoelectric. When it is vibrated
or rubbed, it generates electric signals and scalarwaves. Every organ
of perception evolved from the skin. When we were embryos, our sensory
organs evolved from the folds in the skin. Many primitive organisms
and animals can see and hear with their skin.
When the Neurophone was originally developed, neurophysiologists
considered that the brain was hardwired and that the various cranial
nerves were hardwired to every sensory system. The eighth cranial
nerve is the nerve bundle that runs from the inner ear to the brain.
Theoretically we should only be able to hear with our ears if our
sensor organs are hard-wired. Now the concept of a holographic brain
has come into being.
The holographic brain theory states that the brain uses a holographic
encoding system so that the entire brain may be able to function as a
multifaceted sensory encoding computer This means that sensory
impressions, like hearing, may be encoded so that any part of the
brain can recognize input signals according to a special type of
signal coding. Theoretically we should be able to see and hear through
multiple channels not just our eyes and ears.
The key to the Neurophone is the stimulation of the nerves of the skin
with a digitally coded signal that carries the same time-ratio code
that is recognized as sound by any nerve in the body.
All commercial digital speech recognition circuitry is based on
so-called dominant frequency power analysis. While speech can be
recognized by such a circuit, the truth is that speech encoding is
based on time ratios. If the frequency power analysis circuits
are not phased correctly they will not work. The intelligence (sound)
is carried by phase information. The frequency content of the voice
gives our voice a certain quality, but frequency does not contain
information. All attempts at computer voice recognition and voice
generation are only partially successful. Until digital time-ratio
encoding is used, our computers will never be able to really talk to
us.
The computer that we developed to recognize speech for the Man-Dolphin

communicator used time- ratio analysis only. By recognizing and using
time-ratio encoding, we could transmit clear voice data through
extremely narrow bandwidths. In one device, we developed a radio
transmitter that had a bandwidth of only 300 Hertz while maintaining
crystal clear transmission. Since signal-to-noise ratio is based on
bandwidth considerations, we were able to transmit clear voice over
thousands of miles while using milliwatt power.
Improved signal-processing algorithms are the basis of a new series of
Neurophones that are currently under development. These new
Neurophones use state-of-the- art digital processing to render sound
information with much greater clarity.
ELECTRONIC TELEPATHY
The Neurophone is an electronic telepathy machine. Several tests prove
that it bypasses the eighth cranial nerve, the hearing nerve, and
transmits sound directly to the brain. This means that the Neurophone
stimulates perception through a seventh or alternative sense.
MI hearing aids stimulate tiny bones in the middle ear. Sometimes when
the eardrum is damaged, the bones of the inner ear are stimulated by a
vibrator that is placed behind the ear on the base of the skull. Bone
conduction will even work through the teeth. In order for bone
conduction to work, the cochlea or inner ear that connects to the
eighth cranial nerve first must function. People who are nerve-deaf
cannot hear through bone conduction because the nerves in the inner
ear are not functional.
A number of nerve-deaf people and people who have had the entire inner
ear removed by surgery have been able to hear with the Neurophone.
If the Neurophone electrodes are placed on the closed eyes or on the
face, the sound can be clearly "heard" as if it were coming from
inside the brain. When the electrodes are placed on the face, the
sound is perceived through the trigeminal nerve. We therefore know
that the Neurophone can work through the trigeminal or facial
nerve. When the facial nerve is deadened by means of anesthetic
injections, we can no longer hear through the face.
In these cases, there is a fine line where the skin on the face is
numb. If the electrodes are placed on the numb skin, we cannot hear it
but when the electrodes are moved a fraction of an inch over to skin
that still has feeling, sound perception is restored and the person
can "hear".
This proves that the means of sound perception via the Neurophone is
by means of skin and not by means of bone conduction.
There was an earlier test performed at Tufts University that was
designed by Dr. Dwight Wayne Batteau, one of my partners in the United
States Navy Dolphin Communication Project. This test was known as the
"Beat Frequency Test". It is well known that sound waves of two
slightly different frequencies create a "beat" note as the waves
interfere with each other. For example, if a sound of 300 Hertz and
one of 350 Hertz are played into one ear at the same time a beat not
of 30 Hertz will be perceived. This is a mechanical summation of sound
in the bone structure of the inner ear. There is another beat, sounds
beat together in the corpus callosum in the center of the brain. This
binaural beat is used by the Monroe Institute and others to simulate
altered brain states by entraining (causing brain waves to lock on and
follow the signal) the brain into high alpha or even theta brain
states. These brain states are associated with creativity lucid
dreaming and other states of consciousness otherwise difficult to
reach when awake.
The Neurophone is a powerful brain entertainment device, if we play
alpha or theta signals directly through the Neurophone, we can move
the brain into any state desired. Batteau's theory was that if we
could place the Neurophone electrodes so that the sound was perceived
as coming from one side of the head only, and if we played a 300
Hertz signal through the Neurophone. if we also played a 330 Hertz
signal through an ordinary headphone we would get a beat note if the
signals were summing in the inner ear bones. When the test was
conducted, we were able to perceive two distinct tones without beat.
This test again proved that Neurophonic hearing was not through bone
conduction.
When we used a stereo Neurophone, we were able to get a beat note that
is similar to the binaural beat, but the beat is occurring inside the
nervous system and is not the result of bone conduction.
The Neurophone is a "gateway" into altered brain states. Its most
powerful use may be in direct communications with the brain centers,
thereby bypassing the "filters" or inner mechanisms that may limit our
ability to communicate to the brain.
If we can unlock the secret of direct audio communications to the
brain, we can unlock the secret of visual communications. The skin has
receptors that can detect vibration, light, temperature, pressure and
friction. All we have to do is stimulate the skin with the right
signals.
We are continuing Neurophonic research. We have recently developed
other modes of Neurophonic transmission. We have also reversed the
Neurophone and found that we can detect scalar waves that are
generated by the living system. The detection technique is actually
very similar to the process used by Dr. Hiroshi Motoyama in Japan. Dr.
Motoyama used capacitor electrodes very much like those we use with
the Neurophone to detect energies from various power centers of the
body known as chakras.


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    That was really interesting.

    
    wow.
    
    

    
      Been reading about a new identifying device proposed for ATMs.
     It looks into the iris of your eye.  This will prevent fraudulent
     bank card use in many cases.  Apparently, larcenous individuals
     have virtually no chance to emulate your iris.
    
      bb

	Oh Mighty Iris!!!!

	But they can forcibly remove it and hold it up to the reader.

	Or forcibly hold YOU up to the reader and then stab you when identity
	has been confirmed.

    >  Or forcibly hold YOU up to the reader and then stab you
    
    supposing I keep my eyes closed?

you won't see them stab you

    
    	Bob, then they say "Open your ******* eyes or I'm going to stab
    	you until you do".
    

    Wonder how it handles people who's eye color is subject to change. 
    Mine shift between green and blue over a 5-10 year cycle.  For one week
    I had an amber spot develop until it was about 1/8 to 1/4 of the iris.

    -- Dave

    
    	Isn't it a retinal scan, though?
    

	They are gonna scan your bum? I thought it was the eye?

    >Wonder how it handles people who's eye color is subject to change. 
    >Mine shift between green and blue over a 5-10 year cycle.  For one week
    >I had an amber spot develop until it was about 1/8 to 1/4 of the iris.
    
     The iris is irrelevant. It's the retina that's important.

    >   NPSS::MLEVESQUE
    >   The iris is irrelevant. It's the retina that's important.
    
    aw, now ya went and did it! ya hurt the iris's feelings.
    
    uncaring brute.

    RE: .92

>     The iris is irrelevant. It's the retina that's important.

    Then I guess the original (.83) "It looks into the iris of your eye"
    was a tad off.  Looking through the pupil onto the retina makes a lot
    more sense.

    -- Dave

I was thinking about that as well. A device on an ATM which would be capable
of doing a retinal scan would have to be pretty "clinical", no? It would
require the head to be held in a particular place and the eye to be focused on
a particular point, if I'm not mistaken. The iris, on the other hand, would
be a much less difficult to scan target, albeit not as "unique".

    .95
    
    The iris is not useful as identification.  Over time, the patterns on
    the iris can change, and the color of the iris can change - or be
    modified by the use of tinted contact lenses.  The pattern of blood
    vessels on the retina is unique to an individual eye, and barring
    injury it does not change over time.

    According to the article I read in the Dallas Morning News on the
    device, it does scan the iris and made a point of noting that the iris
    was much more unique than the retina.
    
    Bob

>    The iris is not useful as identification.

I don't disagree. But my point remains that for an ATM to be able to do
a retinal scan, there'd probably need to be some sort of stainless steel
"cradle" in which to place one's head, which would require individual 
adjustment, etc. in order to position the eye properly for the scan to
be effective. I would think that the pupil of the eye is insufficiently 
large to allow allow a laser scan at haphazard locations of the head.

    .97
    
    > iris was much more unique than the retina.
    
    I find that difficult to believe.  The shape of the iris isn't even
    fixed - although it's always a torus, it has a different thickness as
    it dilates or contracts, and the patterns of color can shift or even
    disappear.  It doesn't even dilate to the same degree every time it's
    exposed to the same light intensity - there are other factors such as
    medication and stress that affect it.

    
    
    	Interesting snarf!
    

    I think the notion that accuracy of the scan might be too much for
    a POS scanner is accurate.  The eye makes hundreds of small "saccadic"
    movements per second as part of it's scanning activity during normal
    perception.  These movements are involuntary, and would limit the
    resolution of a scan of the retina.
    
    Also, the response time for the system would depend on retrieving a
    fairly compact packet of comparative data from the customer's data
    file, or an even more compact packet if it was stored on a magnetic stripe.
    In this case, the fewer comparative data points provided by an iris
    scan would make more sense.
    
    
    Colin
    

    Re .99:
    
    >> iris was much more unique than the retina.
    >
    > I find that difficult to believe.  The shape of the iris isn't even
    > fixed - although it's always a torus, it has a different thickness as
    > it dilates or contracts, and the patterns of color can shift or even
    > disappear.  It doesn't even dilate to the same degree every time it's
    
    That is a non sequitur because the fact that something changes does not
    in any way prevent it from being unique.
    
    
    				-- edp
    
    
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    .101
    
    Saccadic movements, also called microtremors, *extremely* small.  It's
    clear to me that they don't have a serious negative impact on the
    ability of an ordinary retinal scanner to do its job - we're not
    looking at resolution on the cellular level, probably not even on the
    level of arterioles and venules.  Technology exists to compress a
    24-bit color 640x480 image such that it can be sent over a serial line
    at in a fraction of a second.  This kind of compression, applieto local
    processing instad of serial transmission, is perfectly capable of
    evaluating a useful retinal scan.  And consider also that it's not
    necessary to scan all the data; you can compute a 64- or 128-bit ECC
    on the data and compare that with what's on the ATM card.

    .102
    
    I already pointed out that the pattern of colors on the iris can change
    over the person's life.  The pattern of vessels on the retina does not
    change.

    Re .104:
    
    > I already pointed out that the pattern of colors on the iris can change
    > over the person's life.

    That is still irrelevant.  Change does not contradict uniqueness.
    
    For an identifier to be unique, it suffices that there is a function
    that maps the identifier to only one person.  If one person has several
    identifiers that map to them, the function will still work, as long as
    each of those identifiers maps to only the one person.
    
    I have two unique phone numbers that can reach me.  Nobody else in the
    world has either of those phone numbers (if you include country code). 
    Each phone number is unique.  Yet I could change back and forth between
    them.
    
    
    				-- edp
    
    
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    RE: .105

>    For an identifier to be unique, it suffices that there is a function
>    that maps the identifier to only one person.  If one person has several
>    identifiers that map to them, the function will still work, as long as
>    each of those identifiers maps to only the one person.

    Which would imply that a person would have to go into the bank every
    time that their iris changed and have another valid reference added. 
    If that change is too frequent (I've seen my iris change significantly
    within a week), it would render the method of id useless.

    -- Dave

    .105
    
    > If one person has several identifiers that map to them...
    
    An iris is not several identifiers.  It is one identifier.  But it is
    not one that remains constant; hence, it is not a useful identifier
    because at any given time its appearance may match no previously
    recorded version of it.  To use your own analogy of telephone numbers: 
    If you change your telephone number hourly, or even more frequently,
    but do not tell anyone that you are doing so, any number established
    before the last change interval is no longer valid.  This flaw does not
    exist for retinal vessel patterns.
    
    You are, however, accurate in stating that an iris is (probably)
    unique, so I stand corrected in that regard.

    
    	It's a matter of using the correct terminology ... you should
    	have recognized edp's point right away, Binder.  8^)
    

    Yup, Shawn, I shoulda.  But I dinna.
    
    I've been pointed toward some interesting papers, which suggest that
    using the iris for ID may be feasible after all - apparently, despite
    its tendency to change, it does have enough unchanging characteristics
    that the technique is workable.  IMHO, if it's workable at all, it may
    well be faster - but not more absolutely reliable - than retinal scans.

    
    .101
    
    Possibly for an "ordinary" retinal scanner, but anything used
    as a POS (point of sale) device is going to be fairly cheap.
    I doubt even then it would be comparing a whole image even
    of the iris, but probably comparing key features the way that
    fingerprint comparison software works. 
    
    

    
    	POS = "point of sale"?
    
    	Hmmm, I thought it meant something else, usually used to desc-
    	ribe Yugos and Suzukis.
    

    Well, EPOS really - electronic point of sale - lotsa money in
    eliminating people from serving you and replacing them with
    machines.  Mark is their dream customer.

    EPOS/ATMs, what a deal.  You can go into your bank and do business with
    a live person for no charge, but if you want to do business with the
    same bank's ATM you have to cough up an extra dollar or so.  The price
    of convenience, I guess, eh?

    Oh, I don't go anywhere any more.  I can do it all from my PC at home.
    There's no need to interact with humans at all.

>    EPOS/ATMs, what a deal.  You can go into your bank and do business with
>    a live person for no charge, but if you want to do business with the
>    same bank's ATM you have to cough up an extra dollar or so.  The price
>    of convenience, I guess, eh?


...and the banks want to eliminate human tellers because ATM's are 
cheaper!




 Jim

    RE: .113

>    EPOS/ATMs, what a deal.  You can go into your bank and do business with
>    a live person for no charge, ...

    Actually, my bank will charge you if you do some ATM type transactions
    with a live teller versus the ATM.

    -- Dave

.113:

Charging for the ATM use and not for the live teller is just one more
example of what makes me think that business values hardware more than
people.

    Re -1
    Seems like everyone wants my money.

    Re .106:
    
    >     Which would imply that a person would have to go into the bank every
    > time that their iris changed and have another valid reference added.
    
    No, it does not.  Here is, for example, a different solution:  When the
    user claims to be John Smith and presents a pattern similar to John
    Smith's, accept it and record the new pattern for future reference. How
    similar a pattern should be accepted?  If the most recent previous
    transaction were a day ago, the patterns should be very similar.  If it
    has been longer, a larger difference is tolerable.  If the potential
    difference grows so large that confusion with other people may occur,
    then it is time to require additional means of identification.
    
    Note that today's ATMs allow a one in 10,000 chance of
    misidentification because they use only a four-digit PIN.  To make the
    system effective, you do not need to prohibit everybody in the world
    from posing as the proper user -- you only need to make it difficult
    for criminals to commit fraud, just difficult enough that they rarely
    try.  So a loose tolerance that matched your eye with 10,000 other
    people on the planet would still be fine, as an imposter would have
    only a one in 600,000 chance of matching it.
    
    (And, bringing us full circle, this is an example of an identifier that
    is not unique.)
    
    
    Re .107:
    
    >     An iris is not several identifiers.  It is one identifier.  But it is
    > not one that remains constant;
    
    That is an inconsequential semantic difference.  The point remains that
    more than one pattern can be presented that would be accepted as the
    identifier of a specific person.
    
                                                
    				-- edp
    
    
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